Meph's ult is still a win button

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removing the slow.... haha gj guys.
They didn't remove it they just reduced it to 25% from 40%. Should read the patch notes before making assumptions.
It can be rude, but looking at your post, I have an one think on my head.

You mad?
Fortunately a lot of Heroes have builtin counter "win button" buttons.
It's not a fun ability to play against in QM if you happen to have no healer, or you're just a super squishy team with few counters.

In draft mode you really can nullify the impact of CS, I've never found it to be a auto win button in draft.
It's an issue in QM really and the issue is level 20 upgrade.

We killed one player in a long team fight and had a perfect retreat, but guess...all low health and no healer - all dead.

This level 20 upgrade, even 10 removes all skill players had to undertake to stay alive because of 1 button. It's stupid and frustrating and ends matches instantly post 20. (talking about QM, even sometimes HL).
Damn i pressed R and did not win the game... i must be a really bad player
09/20/2018 02:48 AMPosted by Creeper
Damn i pressed R and did not win the game... i must be a really bad player


Ditto, it's the "Valeera OP, plz nerf" craze all over again, and I was always pretty sub par with her before when she was "OP".

Also, technically speaking it can't be a "press R to win Game" button cause you don't do damage to structures; you could wipe the whole enemy team with it maybe, but good luck coordinating the QM monkeys to all attack the core instead of going for mercs or soaking at lane at 20, FINALLY, when they didn't seem to think they needed to soak before...what? no I'm not Salty, your salty!
Well, when we could manage to 5v5 post 20, and I took care when to press my skillshot (R) we wiped then every time.

And when they didnt go for core i was like “okay, i need to press R correctly again” and did.

But i agree that this ult is only a QM problem, in draft he can be easily countered.
Mommy, can you make it so it's easier for me to win?
Been trying it out versus AI and frankly Chromie's Slowing Sands is more effective.

It is basically a win more button. It can kill low life enemy heroes who are running away and that is about it.
I wonder how the kills would be displayed if u play against lost vikings, rexar and other 3 heroes.
Sorry i play to win so i am not going to push a lose button because you cry.
It wouldn't be so bad if he was squishy, unfortunately he isn't.

He has quite high health pool for ranged assassin, on top of being able to talent for 20 armor and 40% shield from lightning nova.

Honestly, that's way too much for character that's supposed to be squishy.

It's the same problem Fenix had of not being able to kill him through all his layers of safety, even if you are able to catch him.

I mean, what is his weakness? He gets armor, shields, high health pool for ranged assassin, so you can't exactly dive him. CC doesn't stop his from returning to his shade.

Once again, Blizzard designed a character with kit and talents that protect it from it's traditional weaknesses.
My major complain is his absurd health pool.

Consume Souls is stupid, but could be balanced without the lvl 20 improvement.
09/20/2018 08:49 AMPosted by Avinicci
I wonder how the kills would be displayed if u play against lost vikings, rexar and other 3 heroes.
No one would draft those heroes against him. You would never draft more than 1 of them without banning Mephisto before.

09/20/2018 09:07 AMPosted by Fate
He has quite high health pool for ranged assassin
He is not a ranged assassin... He has specialist mechanics to deal damage which can easily be avoided by the toughest enemies and are not an issue for longer ranged ones due to his low damage per second at melee range. Lightning Nova only damages enemies in the ring, so if you face tank him you just have to deal with his pathetic Morales level auto attack.
09/20/2018 09:07 AMPosted by Fate
I mean, what is his weakness?
Melee, chase, anti spell damage heroes (eg Ana with 5 stacks on him or D'Va matrix).
09/20/2018 09:07 AMPosted by Fate
so you can't exactly dive him
You can because his damage is absolutely pathetic at melee range as he cannot Lightning Nova you, which carries >1/2 of his damage. His skull is like Sand Blast so can be dodged easily leaving just his ultimate, which will not one shot tough melee heroes, and his auto attack, which has lowish damage, to deal with you.

The problem people are having is his strength. He is effective against middle ranged heroes. They are in the perfect position to face tank his Lightning Nova and take huge damage.
09/20/2018 08:49 AMPosted by Avinicci
I wonder how the kills would be displayed if u play against lost vikings, rexar and other 3 heroes.
No one would draft those heroes against him. You would never draft more than 1 of them without banning Mephisto before.

09/20/2018 09:07 AMPosted by Fate
He has quite high health pool for ranged assassin
He is not a ranged assassin... He has specialist mechanics to deal damage which can easily be avoided by the toughest enemies and are not an issue for longer ranged ones due to his low damage per second at melee range. Lightning Nova only damages enemies in the ring, so if you face tank him you just have to deal with his pathetic Morales level auto attack.
09/20/2018 09:07 AMPosted by Fate
I mean, what is his weakness?
Melee, chase, anti spell damage heroes (eg Ana with 5 stacks on him or D'Va matrix).
You can dive him because his damage is absolutely pathetic at melee range as he cannot Lightning Nova you, which carries >1/2 of his damage. His skull is like Sand Blast so can be dodged easily leaving just his ultimate, which will not one shot tough melee heroes, and his auto attack, which has lowish damage, to deal with you.

The problem people are having is his strength. He is effective against middle ranged heroes. They are in the perfect position to face tank his Lightning Nova and take huge damage.
09/20/2018 02:48 AMPosted by Creeper
Damn i pressed R and did not win the game... i must be a really bad player


Yes, probably true.
09/20/2018 09:07 AMPosted by Fate
He has quite high health pool for ranged assassin
He is not a ranged assassin... He has specialist mechanics to deal damage which can easily be avoided by the toughest enemies and are not an issue for longer ranged ones due to his low damage per second at melee range. Lightning Nova only damages enemies in the ring, so if you face tank him you just have to deal with his pathetic Morales level auto attack.
09/20/2018 09:07 AMPosted by Fate
I mean, what is his weakness?
Melee, chase, anti spell damage heroes (eg Ana with 5 stacks on him or D'Va matrix).

You can dive him because his damage is absolutely pathetic at melee range as he cannot Lightning Nova you, which carries >1/2 of his damage. His skull is like Sand Blast so can be dodged easily leaving just his ultimate, which will not one shot tough melee heroes, and his auto attack, which has lowish damage, to deal with you.

The problem people are having is his strength. He is effective against middle ranged heroes. They are in the perfect position to face tank his Lightning Nova and take huge damage.
09/20/2018 02:20 PMPosted by Rationail
09/20/2018 02:48 AMPosted by Creeper
Damn i pressed R and did not win the game... i must be a really bad player


Yes, probably true.
09/20/2018 02:02 PMPosted by Rationail
one liner
09/20/2018 02:16 PMPosted by Rationail
personal insult

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