Kerrigan's shield talents additive or multiplicative?

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Hi all,

Are Kerrigan's shield talents additive to her base trait or multiplicative?

For example if she takes these talents:

Level 1
[Fury of the Swarm]
Gain 10% more Assimilation Shields from Basic Attacks. After casting Ravage, Kerrigan's next 2 Basic Attacks within 3 seconds splash for 100% damage around the target.

Level 13
[Volatile Power]
Increase the amount of Assimilation Shields granted from damage dealt by 15%, but reduce duration of Assimilation by 3 seconds.

Does she end up with:
Basic attack = 15% + 10% + 15% = 40% (80% vs heroes) damage as shields

Abilities = 15% + 15% = 30% (60% vs heroes) damage as shields

Or

Basic attack = 15% x (1.00 + 0.10 + 0.15) = 18.75% (37.5% vs heroes) damage as shields

Abilities = 15% x 1.15 = 17.25% (34.5% vs heroes) damage as shields?
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Update:

Tested in try mode. At level 20,

Ravage [Q] does 285 damage. It generated 171 shields, which is 60% of her damage.

Basic attack does 263.1 damage. It generated 211 shields, which is 80% of her damage. This is multiplied by the number of targets she splashes to with her level 1 talent.

Turns out, Kerrigan generates 60% to 80% of her damage in team fights as shields, which is quite... something.

Out of curiosity I went to look at Artanis, Zarya and Chen. At level 20,
  • Artanis generates 822 shields every time his trait triggers (cooldown varies from fight to fight).
  • Zarya generates 1228 (+307 with talent) every 10 seconds.
  • Chen generates 465 shields per second.


Looking at these numbers, I think Kerrigan possibly generates shields better than them.
It doesn't matter, she'll be nerfed soon and then you won't want to main her anymore and won't care about this thread
09/30/2018 11:18 PMPosted by fierywinds
It doesn't matter, she'll be nerfed soon and then you won't want to main her anymore and won't care about this thread

Go take your salt elsewhere.

09/30/2018 07:30 PMPosted by Athens
Hi all,

Are Kerrigan's shield talents additive to her base trait or multiplicative?

For example if she takes these talents:

Level 1
[Fury of the Swarm]
Gain 10% more Assimilation Shields from Basic Attacks. After casting Ravage, Kerrigan's next 2 Basic Attacks within 3 seconds splash for 100% damage around the target.

Level 13
[Volatile Power]
Increase the amount of Assimilation Shields granted from damage dealt by 15%, but reduce duration of Assimilation by 3 seconds.

Does she end up with:
Basic attack = 15% + 10% + 15% = 40% (80% vs heroes) damage as shields

Abilities = 15% + 15% = 30% (60% vs heroes) damage as shields

Or

Basic attack = 15% x 1.10 x .15 = 18.975% (37.95% vs heroes) damage as shields

Abilities = 15% x 1.15 = 17.25% (34.5% vs heroes) damage as shields?

I don’t have the time to go into Try mode to check, but I would guess it’s additive (the first example). I’m basing this guess off of how Alarak’s Negatively Charged and Sadism bonuses are applied additively to his E damage.
09/30/2018 07:30 PMPosted by Athens
Hi all,

Are Kerrigan's shield talents additive to her base trait or multiplicative?

For example if she takes these talents:

Level 1
[Fury of the Swarm]
Gain 10% more Assimilation Shields from Basic Attacks. After casting Ravage, Kerrigan's next 2 Basic Attacks within 3 seconds splash for 100% damage around the target.

Level 13
[Volatile Power]
Increase the amount of Assimilation Shields granted from damage dealt by 15%, but reduce duration of Assimilation by 3 seconds.

Does she end up with:
Basic attack = 15% + 10% + 15% = 40% (80% vs heroes) damage as shields

Abilities = 15% + 15% = 30% (60% vs heroes) damage as shields

Or

Basic attack = 15% x 1.10 x .15 = 18.975% (37.95% vs heroes) damage as shields

Abilities = 15% x 1.15 = 17.25% (34.5% vs heroes) damage as shields?


multiplicative, that is why she is getting a nerf soon. till then ban her all the time!
09/30/2018 07:30 PMPosted by Athens
Hi all,

Are Kerrigan's shield talents additive to her base trait or multiplicative?

For example if she takes these talents:

Level 1
[Fury of the Swarm]
Gain 10% more Assimilation Shields from Basic Attacks. After casting Ravage, Kerrigan's next 2 Basic Attacks within 3 seconds splash for 100% damage around the target.

Level 13
[Volatile Power]
Increase the amount of Assimilation Shields granted from damage dealt by 15%, but reduce duration of Assimilation by 3 seconds.

Does she end up with:
Basic attack = 15% + 10% + 15% = 40% (80% vs heroes) damage as shields

Abilities = 15% + 15% = 30% (60% vs heroes) damage as shields

Or

Basic attack = 15% x 1.10 x .15 = 18.975% (37.95% vs heroes) damage as shields

Abilities = 15% x 1.15 = 17.25% (34.5% vs heroes) damage as shields?


They're additive.

09/30/2018 11:18 PMPosted by fierywinds
It doesn't matter, she'll be nerfed soon and then you won't want to main her anymore and won't care about this thread


Not constructive, not on topic, take it somewhere else.

10/01/2018 02:08 AMPosted by Beliz
multiplicative, that is why she is getting a nerf soon. till then ban her all the time!


Lacking the basics of math makes you look less credible claiming that kerrigan is OP, especially in a thread trying to better understand how her numbers work.

I suggest you revisit your mathematics books.
Updated original post with try-mode findings

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