Heroes in most need of rework?

General Discussion
Yes we've heard of Tassadar needing a rework for obvious reasons and some Chen but I personally think Chen only needs a few tweaks.

Here are the heroes I feel in most need of a rework:

Abathur: Because he is a bodysoaking healbot, any build variety has been lost and we only see carapace build 95% of the time.

Rexxar: Only has one option at lvl 7 with misha charge cdr, and the way he works as a solo laner with misha forever holding objective points with infinite heals(4.5%hp/aa) and rexxar pretty much being afk makes him the most unfun and uninteractive hero in the game for me.

Sylvanas: A handicapped kit hidden behind a gimmicky trait. Probably the specialist that would transition into an assassin the best.
None. Or at least reverted back to previous builds like Zag use to be.
Things don't need "re-worked". They need tested properly.

You realize they release things in a poor state on purpose because people will pay right away regardless. People are actually paying to test.
Meanwhile, in the weeks following a release, they collect data on a large scale. In that time frame, the player experience is awful.
But, they don't care. 80/20 rule. A new player will replace an old one and the cycle continues.

They laugh all the way to the bank. Bait and switch. I am shocked that the FBI hasn't investigated game companies for anti trust laws.
D.Va and Illidan come to mind
Probius please. I am tired of getting reported for picking a hero blizzard made. Thanks
09/29/2018 07:45 AMPosted by Hexagon
You realize they release things in a poor state on purpose because people will pay right away regardless. People are actually paying to test.
Meanwhile, in the weeks following a release, they collect data on a large scale. In that time frame, the player experience is awful.
But, they don't care. 80/20 rule. A new player will replace an old one and the cycle continues.


"hey lets make a post talking about some heroes who might need to change a lil bit"

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Put personally, chen and probius have some big issues with the newest meta
Chen, Tassadar, and Vikings
Tassadar - core reowork
Uther - small tweaks could work too
Nova - core rework (although she feels a bit better after the last buff, she is still not viable in competitive) xP
Illidan - needs changes to bring him up to date
Abathur - small changes to refresh his kit
Rehgar - although he's not so mana hungry as he used to be, but he still has problems
TLV - core rework. We need a reason to pick them other than being able to soak 3 lanes at once. They need some "together power".
Sylvanas - core rework, she's still struggling after they nerfed her trait. She should just get a new trait and become an assassin. Specialist is so not befitting her identity.
The Butter - He is either devastating the enemy team, either a liability for his own team. A rework to make him more consistent, but not overpowered would be welcome.
Rexxar - needs his talents to be looked at. I really hate all of his level 1 talents on maps without bosses.
Chromie - core rework. She needs a new identity.
Valeera - needs her talents to be looked at.
Probius - his pylons need to have their health split into health and shield, and the shield should be regenerating. Also he should have 2 charges of pylons. And his Z should have some period during which it can't be removed.
Diva - needs an update.
Malthael - small tweaks could work too.

And some honorable mentions:
Malfurion - he's like Whitemane, but much worse. Both harder and less effective. Need a reason to pick him.
Zagara - her kit seems kind a old. (Not saying she's weak, but just... old)
Chen - he could use some tweaks to define his role better
Tassadar - core reowork
Sylvanas - core rework, she's still struggling after they nerfed her trait. She should just get a new trait and become an assassin. Specialist is so not befitting her identity.

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OP you named 3 heroes, each one of those heroes do not need a rework.

Abathur could use some numbers adjusted to the lower picked and win rate talents, and a different skin/name for mule.

Rexxar needs exactly 2 things, Misha's charge to not apply Misha focus, and to get the passive/defensive toggle back.

Sylvanas needs a few more numbers tweaked, she has gotten no adjustment since they changed her trait.

I don't want functional heroes getting reworked constantly, especially when those reworks change heroes as drastically as they have changed Tyrande and Azmodan, even if the hero is stronger after. I would rather they balance and tweak existing heroes and save these cool new mechanics they are coming up with for new heroes.
Genji. Such a broken hero, I don't understand how he's allowed to run rampant and take out entire teams and teleport away.
Easier talking about those heroes, wich one don't need any rework...at least i don't have any issue (Lich king, Zeratul...8-9 hero only)

Most of heroes have one talent issue for example: Garrosh//LVL16 talent//Mortal combo//: This talent do the opposite thing what it should do.
Unfortunatly this list big to me and if i would like to collect them i would not be able to do it, because i haven't played with a few hero recently.

Sometimes, some hero easily kill me, sometimes not and i don't understand why.
Sgt. Hammer slowly 1 month ago killed everything, but now relaxed and okay hero.
I watched how Recruit ai sgt hammer destroyed one entire enemy ai team...
I haven't read about this kind of changes in any patch.

I haven't used abathur recently so i would not like to say my opinion about it, because that would not have reality, but i have opinion about rexxar and sylvana.
First Rexxar: That guy have only one cool talent lane (where you buffing only misha) and a lot of "i don't know why good that talent", but i would not like talking about all of them, because that's works very well.
My problem His lvl 10 Boar talent. That's just bad. I can't understand why good to me one more skill what makes my enemy slower, when i alredy have one.At least this is my biggest problem at him. It should summon one boar for 20-30 sec what makes your enemy slower by basic hit, or reduce his armor.
I used him mostly again bosses, again something else he is useless.

You mentioned Sylvana too, so. my opinion about it.
She is one of those heroes what should being multiclass (What is varian at the moment, but should being a multiclass tyrande too).
I can immagine a talent diversity where you can decide you will playing as a specialist or as an assasin.

So, this all of rework stuff together:
First i have to talking about Valla. She is one of the overnerfed heroes. I don't know why say the people she is like Zuljin. I think this not true. She is a bad sylvana. I have seen her pretty haloween cloth and i played with her a level in ai vs ai. She at the moment have a very strong mana issue. Just give a try to her and you will see it. I personally don't understand why does she have it with the mana talent too, but this gave me an idea.

My suggestion to every hero is the mana system change. Some hero don't have, and they works very well, for example Sonya (not illidan, he need rework). This change happened in the wow at the hunter class, and that class still works very well there.

Shooter ranged assasins like tychus valla... should not have mana, they should have bullets without you could not hit your enemies. (This thing never will happening, but it sounds fun )

What i mostly hope would happening is the "Caster class" changes, like kael , chromie, li ming change: Their skill don't have cd anymore. You don't have to wait 8-12-18 sec for the cd, but you will have to waiting for the casting time.
It would works every casting like chromie sand blast.
For example:
Kael "flamestrike" skill could be 0.8 sec or 1.2, and after you casted it, you can do it again...

Wich hero need mostly rework my opinion:
1.Genji dosen't have any dmg and he is the most hated hero at the same time. The problem is (at least i think this is the problem) his W skill effective again every damage and not only the basic damage. If it would be effective again the basic dmg, then it still could running away from the towers, but caster could fighting again him. At the moment, this not possible.

2.Valeera: She is a pretty good waifu, but that's all. She is just a bad Zeratul.

And at the end: Wich hero i would like to being reworked:
illidan: He techically have only one good and effective talent lane, what after 50 match is boring. I read a lot of good idea about his rework in this forum, you can find a lot.
D.va: She is a very good waifu and i got her from lootbox, so i would like to using her recently. Unfortunatly, if you are playing with her, she dosen't have normal talent until lvl 10. There should have been one talent lane for the robot , and one for the waifu.
Chromie. As specific as her abilities are, she seems sort of generic. Gul'dan too, actually.
gazlowe. Love the guy and his design, but with the push away from PVE and towards team fights as the sole defining feature of the games, he feels a little outdated, as his turrets just don't really bring enough of area control. Xplodium charge is good, but not enough to warrant him IMO.
I'd reccomend looking at deth laser, his easily weakest tool, and try and pack some more utility into it for how it interacts with his kits (such as maybe his turrets can deal extra damage to someone who he hits with his Laser).

Chen needs a look into his Trait, as it was obviously envisioned in a time and place where CC and disruption was much less prevalent, while Blizzard has been handing it out like candy to new heroes to keep sales high, making him basically obsolete.
Give him some sort of Defense against his Resource being totally shut out (1 seconds unstoppable when he starts drinking? "anchored" trait like someone suggested in another thread?).

Illidian. He's been hit by Power creep obsoleting him HARDCORE. Pretty much every diver in existence does his job better now, and the idea of him being the ultimate duelist, with the push towards 5v5 a the deciding factor of the game, is hilariously out of date.

Uther: Either a drop in Cooldowns or Mana costs would help him.

Mentioning Guldan not for his kit and character as a whole, but for Rain of destruction being HILARIOUSLY bad as a choice and has almost always BEEN bad. They need to look at it and either buff it or change it to something else. (Maybe a summon infernal effect of some kind for WOW warlock lore?)

Butcher: basically a noob stomper and that's it at this point. He needs to be looked at to be less of a feast or famine character.
Hell, if he was Tanky he'd actually make a half decent tank as another option (He's got a peel with his stun and a slow, if his DPS were toned down and his Tankiness buffed up he could be one).

Malthael: A character in need of a good identity assessment IMO, he's in a bit of a weird spot, and not a good one.

Tassadar: Still huffing the fumes of the other supports due to being unorthodox.
Abuthur, purely because he still has Calldown Mule which has not been replaced with something more in tune with his concept.
Probius

Doesn't fit the game. This is fast paced game, with high burst. The strategic building pylons just doesn't work. With the amount of heroes that have self sustain and range, she just doesn't do anything well.

Whatever probius' role is, nearly any hero with similar abilities (Azmo, Zag). She's a niche, in a bad way.
09/30/2018 08:09 PMPosted by MCHammer
Probius

Doesn't fit the game. This is fast paced game, with high burst. The strategic building pylons just doesn't work. With the amount of heroes that have self sustain and range, she just doesn't do anything well.

Whatever probius' role is, nearly any hero with similar abilities (Azmo, Zag). She's a niche, in a bad way.

Probius is a she?
09/29/2018 10:34 AMPosted by WereElf

The Butter - He is either devastating the enemy team, either a liability for his own team. A rework to make him more consistent, but not overpowered would be welcome.

Who is this hero. He sounds completely useless, the second he engages he gets melted into caramel oblivion.
09/30/2018 08:17 PMPosted by aleksandor
09/30/2018 08:09 PMPosted by MCHammer
Probius

Doesn't fit the game. This is fast paced game, with high burst. The strategic building pylons just doesn't work. With the amount of heroes that have self sustain and range, she just doesn't do anything well.

Whatever probius' role is, nearly any hero with similar abilities (Azmo, Zag). She's a niche, in a bad way.

Probius is a she?

Probably not, i just refer it as a she
09/29/2018 07:33 AMPosted by armando
Probably the specialist that would transition into an assassin the best.

I already player her as an assassin.
Nazeebo too, but he's a mage.

09/29/2018 07:33 AMPosted by armando
Abathur: Because he is a bodysoaking healbot, any build variety has been lost and we only see carapace build 95% of the time.

Abathur is my favorite hero in the game, and most played hero by far, and I agree.
I still find myself taking spike talents, and taking the cleave locust, and taking volatile mutation, but some of the talents lack the value current hero's talents give or if you take one you're basically forced into the other related talents. He could benefit from some quests and talent combining to increase diversity and give him more potential to work in different comps as well as allow good players to shine. He needs to evolve.

09/30/2018 08:09 PMPosted by MCHammer
Doesn't fit the game. This is fast paced game, with high burst. The strategic building pylons just doesn't work. With the amount of heroes that have self sustain and range, she just doesn't do anything well.

I don't know what you're talking about, Probius is one of the most APM intensive heroes in the game right alongside Vikings and Abathur.
People play Probius wrong, thinking Q is only for detonating W. Thinking you have to be within a Pylon field at all times. Thinking Z is only for escape.

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