I do remember a game where I’d not started on Pharah but a Junkrat was wrecking us so I switched. Then someone on our team complained that I was useless because they had a hitscan. Yet I was shutting down the Junkrat hard and the hitscan wasn’t bothering me. I pointed that out and someone else backed me. We actually fully held point 2 of Route 66 after getting rolled on point 1. And that’s the thing- I WAS thinking of counter picks, but people have it so engrained that histscans delete Pharah that they couldn’t even understand why the Pharah was helping.

...We aren’t talking about Pharah mains who refuse to switch. We’re talking about Pharah mains who don’t switch merely because the other tram has a hitscan.There’s a wide spectrum between a hitscan existing and a Pharah being ineffective. Sometimes a Pharah does need to switch. Back when I was maiming Pharah, it was rare that either. Soldier or Widow caused me any problems at all.it sounds like you were a godly pharrah then, what was your peak/rank?Definitely not godly- peaked in low plat (started in bronze); the issue is that most hitscans in plat and below struggle to hit Pharahs consistentl…

02/20/2018 10:33 AMPosted by Mizzerella02/20/2018 09:45 AMPosted by IAmSupportYour logic is flawed. Map, Side, Team Selection, Enemy Selection are things that COULD impact selection. However, how each team/player is PLAYING is a far larger impact to that specific game.02/20/2018 10:06 AMPosted by omnicIt's 2 distinct problems.im not arguing the point i fully agree. that is where Harmless is confusing what is said here. he is arguing widowmakers DO have presence. but thats not what was said.I believe I have cleared up my confusion at this point- hopefully my latter posts indicate that.

The point is that this game requires more skills than just mechanics. If all it required was good aim, it wouldn’t bring anything new to the genre.

I really don’t see how labeling a viable strat “cheese” helps in any way. How does it make the game less fun?FWIW, I’d rather win with Bastion/Shield than 4 Tank/Moira/Lucio

I’m not on a war to win against you here. I’d say there are very few spots where Widow is just terrible, but there are some. By the same token, there are a few where she is brilliant, sometimes even if played poorly. How that mix plays out, I dunno. Not worth arguing for me. One reason I enjoy Zen is he fits into any comp, on any map, that doesn’t already have two other supports :)In Gold/Plat (where people love to complain about Widow before you even leave spawn), these things hardly matter. And honestly, I have better things to worry about than whether our Widow is effective or not. There ar…

...Their impact is nullified if you can't play them properly. And if you're getting kills despite the counters then I strongly [quote]...There are very few “hard counters”. Hitscan vs Pharah certainly isn’t one.And if you are excellent on Pharah and mediocre on other heroes, then yes, there’s a great reason not to change.People on this game are way to obsessed with other people changing.I love playing against pharrah mains who refuse to switch guaranteed win.We aren’t talking about Pharah mains who refuse to switch. We’re talking about Pharah mains who don’t switch merely because the other tr…

02/20/2018 09:12 AMPosted by KittenKatana02/20/2018 08:54 AMPosted by LX2...Not Sombra but they are going to be playing with the Mercy changes. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens.I think we’ll still see a fair bit of her, I realize a lot of the pro support players aren’t the greatest as Mercy but pick denial is huge in this game and having that on a 30s CD is powerful regardless of her lacklustre ult, plus damage boost is a solid pocket utlity that can only be gained from Mercy or Orisa’s ult, yeah Zen’s got discord but he’s a secondary support and who I’d imagine most teams will…

Yes, I did read your posts. And my post was saying I wasn’t making the case that Widow had the same level of presence in every scenario. Horizon A is just the clearest example of where she can easily manipulate what your tanks are doing, so I went with it.Do I love Widow on Lijang? Not really. And no, I don’t fear her as much. I don’t disagree with what you are saying there. But a decent window can be as good on those maps as any other ill suited hero (Pharah on Control Center, for example) so I won’t sweat it.I guess my main point is that presence is Widow’s strongest asset, so it was weird t…