D.Va main PTR impressions: I can't do my job anymore

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D.Va main, mid-diamond rank and over 500 QP games under my belt.

I played a few matches on the PTR and my overall impression is that she can't do her tanking job anymore because her meka is so fragile.

* D.Va's meka is now a big, wet grape. Even Tracer is a significant threat now. It'll seem OK for the first few seconds into a fight, but as soon as that armor layer goes it's shocking how rapidly your HP collapses and you get de-meka'd. I was retreating from a mid-charged Zarya with 400HP left and the meka got vaporized before I could even strafe behind cover.

* I have to be much, much more worried about my own survival than my teammates. Defense Matrix is mostly for me now, not them (it should be the other way around!). Sorry guys, but I have no choice. She doesn't feel like a tank anymore in that regard. She can't stick her neck out and escort an overextended teammate back to safety with a quick DM, she'll get popped quickly.

* I had to spend a LOT more time running away and diving behind cover now, not actually engaging enemies. In one game there was a very good Ana healing us; I felt sorry for how much work she had to do in keeping me up at the expense of the rest of the team.

* I didn't notice a huge difference in her guns. Maybe they're a tiny bit better at mid-range, but it feels nearly identical to live. Not much to say there.

While I agree she needed a nerf, this went way too far. Blizzard should test 300AR/300HP and see how that goes. Ana shouldn't be a mandatory pick for D.Va to be effective; without an Ana I shudder to think of how hard it will be for other healers to keep D.Va up. I love playing D.Va, but she's going straight back to F-tier >1% representation in competitive and on the pro scene if these changes go through, guaranteed.
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The only way to contribute as D.Va is to hide in the backline and wait for a good opportunity to use DM while hoping noone looks at her the wrong way. Is this really what we want her to become?
I feel they should look into armor/shield being better at soaking damage in general.

Armor IMO does very little in terms of absorption. The top teir damage characters do burst damage, in which burst counters armor.

Nothing really counters burst so much. I put an opinion on the forums awhile ago given that it was an idea from another, I have to get him credit because I liked the idea. That shield should be the counter to burst damage.

However most of the community would think otherwise
Ever seen roadhog or Rein or Zarya charging 3 enemy DPS, make a mess and leave without dying with ( NO BACK UP )

Yeah i guess D.va is where she supposed to be right now
01/07/2017 04:35 PMPosted by Kalkz
Ever seen roadhog or Rein or Zarya charging 3 enemy DPS, make a mess and leave without dying with ( NO BACK UP )

Yeah i guess D.va is where she supposed to be right now


"I'm not invincible anymore! Clearly, she's trash and blizz needs to fix!"
01/07/2017 04:19 PMPosted by Seiryuu
D.Va main, mid-diamond rank and over 500 QP games under my belt.

I played a few matches on the PTR and my overall impression is that she can't do her tanking job anymore because her meka is so fragile.

* D.Va's meka is now a big, wet grape. Even Tracer is a significant threat now. It'll seem OK for the first few seconds into a fight, but as soon as that armor layer goes it's shocking how rapidly your HP collapses and you get de-meka'd. I was retreating from a mid-charged Zarya with 400HP left and the meka got vaporized before I could even strafe behind cover.

* I have to be much, much more worried about my own survival than my teammates. Defense Matrix is mostly for me now, not them (it should be the other way around!). Sorry guys, but I have no choice. She doesn't feel like a tank anymore in that regard. She can't stick her neck out and escort an overextended teammate back to safety with a quick DM, she'll get popped quickly.

* I had to spend a LOT more time running away and diving behind cover now, not actually engaging enemies. In one game there was a very good Ana healing us; I felt sorry for how much work she had to do in keeping me up at the expense of the rest of the team.

* I didn't notice a huge difference in her guns. Maybe they're a tiny bit better at mid-range, but it feels nearly identical to live. Not much to say there.

While I agree she needed a nerf, this went way too far. Blizzard should test 300AR/300HP and see how that goes. Ana shouldn't be a mandatory pick for D.Va to be effective; without an Ana I shudder to think of how hard it will be for other healers to keep D.Va up. I love playing D.Va, but she's going straight back to F-tier >1% representation in competitive and on the pro scene if these changes go through, guaranteed.


What I felt like would've been great changes were instead of !@#$ing with her health. Make it so DM doesn't block 100% of damage, just block most of it, like 70% or something, and also make it so she doesn't get a guaranteed meka after she ults, even if she didn't kill anyone.
Hey devs, you alive? Read this. You ask for constructive feed back, here's some.

I'm just gonna keep bumping all these threads. Jeff says they want feedback, !@#$ing take a look at what's being said then.

300/300 would be an acceptable nerf. If the ptr patch goes through to live unchanged, then they're full of %^-*.
Im going to take this further.

What even IS D.Va's job?

Is she supposed to be a Reinhardt? DM sucks too much for that
Is she supposed to be a winston? She's not nearly that quick and her shield isnt that useful.
Is she supposed to be a brawler? Apparently not this because now she can die to a fart in her direction
01/07/2017 04:45 PMPosted by Oizen
Im going to take this further.

What even IS D.Va's job?

Is she supposed to be a Reinhardt? DM sucks too much for that
Is she supposed to be a winston? She's not nearly that quick and her shield isnt that useful.
Is she supposed to be a brawler? Apparently not this because now she can die to a fart in her direction


She's supposed to be like Roadhog. Someone who just exists to absorb bullets, except now she can't even do that.
01/07/2017 04:35 PMPosted by Kalkz
Ever seen roadhog or Rein or Zarya charging 3 enemy DPS, make a mess and leave without dying with ( NO BACK UP )

Yeah i guess D.va is where she supposed to be right now


She could never do this. If she dropped her DM for even a second 3 DPS are enaugh to demech her. All she could do was stand in front of 3 people while being completely harmless for 4 seconds.
She made Reaper obsolete and became a "must pick" which blizzard always nerfs (lucio, Ana, Zarya, genji), they were going to do something eventually.
01/07/2017 05:28 PMPosted by Degs
She made Reaper obsolete and became a "must pick" which blizzard always nerfs (lucio, Ana, Zarya, genji), they were going to do something eventually.
Reaper is still "obsolete" hog consistently one shots him
01/07/2017 04:47 PMPosted by Vekete
01/07/2017 04:45 PMPosted by Oizen
Im going to take this further.

What even IS D.Va's job?

Is she supposed to be a Reinhardt? DM sucks too much for that
Is she supposed to be a winston? She's not nearly that quick and her shield isnt that useful.
Is she supposed to be a brawler? Apparently not this because now she can die to a fart in her direction


She's supposed to be like Roadhog. Someone who just exists to absorb bullets, except now she can't even do that.

Roadhog is just as squishy as she is actually.

She just doesnt have a instant heal every 5 seconds.
01/07/2017 04:43 PMPosted by DannyCamz
Hey devs, you alive? Read this. You ask for constructive feed back, here's some.

I'm just gonna keep bumping all these threads. Jeff says they want feedback, !@#$ing take a look at what's being said then.

300/300 would be an acceptable nerf. If the ptr patch goes through to live unchanged, then they're full of %^-*.
01/07/2017 05:34 PMPosted by Oizen
Roadhog is just as squishy as she is actually.

She just doesnt have a instant heal every 5 seconds.

She's squishier because every meatshot is a headshot on her
I've said this a few times, as a support main, I need to pay A LOT more attention to D.Va on the PTR, a lot more than I probably should. I'd say make her HP 300 health, 300 armor and experiment with that for a bit and see if it feels better.
01/07/2017 04:43 PMPosted by DannyCamz
Jeff says they want feedback, !@#$ing take a look at what's being said then.

Sorry, Jeff's probably already decided that... how did he put it?
Jeff Logic:
(my impression so far is that it is being received well once you remove the debate over items not being available for credits.)
4.1k and former top500 D.va main here. Her hp is somewhat fine (though 300 hp 300 armor should be considered) making other D.vas learn how to position and when to engage but the thing that concerns me the most is the damage nerf, completely unnecessary.
01/07/2017 04:35 PMPosted by Kalkz
Ever seen roadhog or Rein or Zarya charging 3 enemy DPS, make a mess and leave without dying with ( NO BACK UP )

Yeah i guess D.va is where she supposed to be right now

i really think those 3 people should reconsider their life decisions with regards to playing this game at that rate. or you know, they should shoot.
01/08/2017 10:15 AMPosted by DannyCamz
01/07/2017 04:43 PMPosted by DannyCamz
Hey devs, you alive? Read this. You ask for constructive feed back, here's some.

I'm just gonna keep bumping all these threads. Jeff says they want feedback, !@#$ing take a look at what's being said then.

300/300 would be an acceptable nerf. If the ptr patch goes through to live unchanged, then they're full of %^-*.

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