Just let Sombra hack Tactical Visor already

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No. It doesn't make sense from a game mechanic perspective, so stop asking for this just because it make sense in your head.

Hack is a silence and act like one. End of the story.
Why not compromise and make her ult remove the aimbot, but not the faster reloading and tightened cone? Then 76s with skill could still attack.
02/21/2017 03:31 PMPosted by Sekko
No. It doesn't make sense from a game mechanic perspective, so stop asking for this just because it make sense in your head.

Hack is a silence and act like one. End of the story.


Explain.
02/21/2017 04:50 PMPosted by Pokono
02/21/2017 03:31 PMPosted by Sekko
No. It doesn't make sense from a game mechanic perspective, so stop asking for this just because it make sense in your head.

Hack is a silence and act like one. End of the story.


Explain.


It's pretty self explanatory. It's a silence not a "remove this ability from the game for 6 seconds".
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.
02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.

Honestly, I say back to the drawing board with her.

I can't see any way you could make her kit work without making her brokenly overpowered.
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02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.

Anything on flashbang/fth/deadeye? McCree's kit is suffering pretty badly and it has been for a while now.
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02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.


yes, but, have you ever played her?
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02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.
Then don't have it be part of the EMP, but let her regular hack do it. It's highly unlikely someone could hack a Soldier while he is using tactical visor, so it's both unlikely to ever be any kind of game-breaking over-balance, while also offering an extreme risk/reward scenario for those brave/desperate enough to try it. (And the same can go for hacking pretty much everyone mid-ult.)
i dont know if the ability has too much power, but i agree that it would be too much with that. Thanks for the clarification of what it stops, somehow i missed that obvious patern.
02/21/2017 05:11 PMPosted by Specialneeds
02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.

Honestly, I say back to the drawing board with her.

I can't see any way you could make her kit work without making her brokenly overpowered.


i agree. they cant do anything to properly balance her
02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.

Please tell me you guys are actually working on fixing her bugs. She has so many currently in regards to her translocater - https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753337121?page=1

Also, at least in my opinion, her EMP is one of the really balanced parts of her kit and doesn't really need to be touched. Quickening up her stealth (and reducing her voice volume when coming out of stealth) and giving her some QoL changes is really what she needs.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.


It was "unlikely" with D.Va's armor too - i.e. this means it's not guna happen.
Why doesn't it affect Roadhog though?
02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.


You, and this entire community vastly overrate an aoe silence in a FPS.

Compared to other ults, it is nothing to write home about.

You are right in that her budget is insanely low and way too much is wasted on a silence.

- No burst/damage on any ability
- piss poor range due to spread
- low effective dps due to spread

Start with her gun. You already built massive counterplay into all of her abilities. She doesn't deserve and can't afford the worst gun in game.
02/21/2017 05:13 PMPosted by aceflibble
02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.
Then don't have it be part of the EMP, but let her regular hack do it. It's highly unlikely someone could hack a Soldier while he is using tactical visor, so it's both unlikely to ever be any kind of game-breaking over-balance, while also offering an extreme risk/reward scenario for those brave/desperate enough to try it. (And the same can go for hacking pretty much everyone mid-ult.)


But EMP applies the Hack effect.

They shouldnt design 2 different Hacks. That'd just confuse people.
02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.


If a hacked character can give her extra damage on the target, then it makes her perfect.
02/21/2017 05:11 PMPosted by Specialneeds
02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.

Honestly, I say back to the drawing board with her.

I can't see any way you could make her kit work without making her brokenly overpowered.


Unpopular opinion as it may be.
You're not necessarily wrong.

Her kit is extremely specialist, and every buff teeters on possibly making her OP.

Then again, they've refused to even touch her damage/spread so far, despite that being the general complaint about her character.

(And the unstealth delay)

So shrug.
02/21/2017 05:09 PMPosted by Geoff Goodman
Currently hacking players only disables abilities that are in-use if a stun would also disable them. For example, McCree's flash bang doesn't remove Tac Visor, so hacking doesn't either.

We could change it so Sombra's hacking cancels active abilities and clears ongoing effects. If we did that, Sombra would cancel Tac Visor, but it would also cancel/clear Winston's ult, Bastion's ult, Ana's ult, Torbjorn's ult, Widowmaker's ult, Genji's ult, etc. That would certainly be more powerful but I'm not sure what she needs right now is more power in her hacking/EMP.

We'll see how she fares when the PTR patch goes live, but if she needs more help its unlikely to be increasing the potency of her EMP, as she arguably already has too much of her overall character power wrapped up in one ability.

WTF then why the hell is Sombra capable to cancel McCree's ultimate but not Soldier's? This is totally a double standard.
Make her hack everything as she has to. We already have D.VA having a nullify skill for all type of bullets, skills and ultimates that is far way better than a shield. Then why are making so much trouble in stopping heroe's ultimates?
Seriously D.Va stops everything and makes every ultimate useless with a single click and at zero risk! At least Sombra can die in the try!
Sombra isn't useless, her kit is fantastic. It's just lacking a little something something.

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