D.Va's Current State: Discussion Megathread Part 11

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03/23/2017 03:08 PMPosted by Tailand
03/23/2017 03:04 PMPosted by MARTINHO
Just bumping it
Bumping a post that was bumped two minutes earlier.

Good job you really helped. Guess this means I'm bumping it too kek
same kek
Oh, snap, last page, get ready for thread number 12, Slade!
Let's do another round of each "d.va is fine" or similar post analysis

EDIT: since people don't get it, this is not shaming. The following opinions are not inferior in any way. It merely points out that lots of people who claim D.Va is fine are either console players or low ranks, and they might be right when it comes to their elo.

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03/23/2017 07:46 AMPosted by LZU
you are coming across as salty and butthurt
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    03/23/2017 09:04 AMPosted by GolfTwo
    thank you, !@#$ing christ.
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    03/23/2017 09:07 AMPosted by Phoenix
    She was overbuffed, they fixed it, live with it
  • Platinum, little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 09:10 AMPosted by XxProReapsxX
    D.va is balanced.
  • Gold (but it's silver)
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    03/23/2017 09:14 AMPosted by VMajoris
    Wow. The amount of truth radiating from this post is incredible. Anyone who argues otherwise is delusional.
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    03/23/2017 09:34 AMPosted by Orppranator
    the problem with megathreads is because it's written by people who don't know how to get to the point
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    03/23/2017 09:36 AMPosted by RoyalRainbow
    DVA is fine!

    Learn how to play the game..
  • Gold
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    03/23/2017 09:44 AMPosted by GerLowX
    dva has the similar performance than on pc
  • PSN
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    03/23/2017 01:36 PMPosted by SlayerAdam
    her skill ceiling is pretty low
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 02:01 PMPosted by Blueblizz
    *Grabs popcorn*
  • DIdn't exactly say anything but eitherway, gold
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    03/23/2017 02:03 PMPosted by Banshee
    I hope that is the case
  • XBL
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    03/23/2017 02:54 PMPosted by aj123boy
    I hope he does not react like you guys
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 03:24 PMPosted by Polaris
    she was op
  • Gold, PSN gold
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    The pattern keeps showing
    03/23/2017 03:57 PMPosted by Takuya
    Let's do another round of each "d.va is fine" or similar post analysis

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    03/23/2017 07:46 AMPosted by LZU
    you are coming across as salty and butthurt
  • No profile
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    03/23/2017 09:04 AMPosted by GolfTwo
    thank you, !@#$ing christ.
  • XBL
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    03/23/2017 09:07 AMPosted by Phoenix
    She was overbuffed, they fixed it, live with it
  • Platinum, little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 09:10 AMPosted by XxProReapsxX
    D.va is balanced.
  • Gold (but it's silver)
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    03/23/2017 09:14 AMPosted by VMajoris
    Wow. The amount of truth radiating from this post is incredible. Anyone who argues otherwise is delusional.
  • PSN
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    03/23/2017 09:34 AMPosted by Orppranator
    the problem with megathreads is because it's written by people who don't know how to get to the point
  • Silver
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    03/23/2017 09:36 AMPosted by RoyalRainbow
    DVA is fine!

    Learn how to play the game..
  • Gold
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    03/23/2017 09:44 AMPosted by GerLowX
    dva has the similar performance than on pc
  • PSN
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    03/23/2017 01:36 PMPosted by SlayerAdam
    her skill ceiling is pretty low
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 02:01 PMPosted by Blueblizz
    *Grabs popcorn*
  • DIdn't exactly say anything but eitherway, gold
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    03/23/2017 02:03 PMPosted by Banshee
    I hope that is the case
  • XBL
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    03/23/2017 02:54 PMPosted by aj123boy
    I hope he does not react like you guys
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 03:24 PMPosted by Polaris
    she was op
  • Gold, PSN gold
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    The pattern keeps showing


    shaming people for various reasons YOU believe are legit aren't going to help your position at all. You're insulting the person, not the argument.
    03/23/2017 03:57 PMPosted by Takuya
    Let's do another round of each "d.va is fine" or similar post analysis

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    03/23/2017 07:46 AMPosted by LZU
    you are coming across as salty and butthurt
  • No profile
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    03/23/2017 09:04 AMPosted by GolfTwo
    thank you, !@#$ing christ.
  • XBL
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    03/23/2017 09:07 AMPosted by Phoenix
    She was overbuffed, they fixed it, live with it
  • Platinum, little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 09:10 AMPosted by XxProReapsxX
    D.va is balanced.
  • Gold (but it's silver)
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    03/23/2017 09:14 AMPosted by VMajoris
    Wow. The amount of truth radiating from this post is incredible. Anyone who argues otherwise is delusional.
  • PSN
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    03/23/2017 09:34 AMPosted by Orppranator
    the problem with megathreads is because it's written by people who don't know how to get to the point
  • Silver
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    03/23/2017 09:36 AMPosted by RoyalRainbow
    DVA is fine!

    Learn how to play the game..
  • Gold
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    03/23/2017 09:44 AMPosted by GerLowX
    dva has the similar performance than on pc
  • PSN
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    03/23/2017 01:36 PMPosted by SlayerAdam
    her skill ceiling is pretty low
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 02:01 PMPosted by Blueblizz
    *Grabs popcorn*
  • DIdn't exactly say anything but eitherway, gold
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    03/23/2017 02:03 PMPosted by Banshee
    I hope that is the case
  • XBL
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    03/23/2017 02:54 PMPosted by aj123boy
    I hope he does not react like you guys
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 03:24 PMPosted by Polaris
    she was op
  • Gold, PSN gold
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    The pattern keeps showing


    You are a meanie.

    A Gold meanie.
    03/23/2017 03:57 PMPosted by Takuya
    Let's do another round of each "d.va is fine" or similar post analysis

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    03/23/2017 07:46 AMPosted by LZU
    you are coming across as salty and butthurt
  • No profile
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    03/23/2017 09:04 AMPosted by GolfTwo
    thank you, !@#$ing christ.
  • XBL
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    03/23/2017 09:07 AMPosted by Phoenix
    She was overbuffed, they fixed it, live with it
  • Platinum, little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 09:10 AMPosted by XxProReapsxX
    D.va is balanced.
  • Gold (but it's silver)
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    03/23/2017 09:14 AMPosted by VMajoris
    Wow. The amount of truth radiating from this post is incredible. Anyone who argues otherwise is delusional.
  • PSN
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    03/23/2017 09:34 AMPosted by Orppranator
    the problem with megathreads is because it's written by people who don't know how to get to the point
  • Silver
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    03/23/2017 09:36 AMPosted by RoyalRainbow
    DVA is fine!

    Learn how to play the game..
  • Gold
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    03/23/2017 09:44 AMPosted by GerLowX
    dva has the similar performance than on pc
  • PSN
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    03/23/2017 01:36 PMPosted by SlayerAdam
    her skill ceiling is pretty low
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 02:01 PMPosted by Blueblizz
    *Grabs popcorn*
  • DIdn't exactly say anything but eitherway, gold
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    03/23/2017 02:03 PMPosted by Banshee
    I hope that is the case
  • XBL
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    03/23/2017 02:54 PMPosted by aj123boy
    I hope he does not react like you guys
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 03:24 PMPosted by Polaris
    she was op
  • Gold, PSN gold
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    The pattern keeps showing
    cool
    03/22/2017 08:45 PMPosted by Brasso90
    a slight buff could definitely alter everything and bring her back to that "OP" phase that she was just in
    [ul][li]Platform: PC
    Rank: Platinum
    D.Va usage: 2 hours QP, 50 minutes this season


    Season 1 & 2 I played PS4 and have 5hrs QP time with D'Va & unsure about competitive. Last season I played her a for at least 5-8hrs and had something like a 75-80% win rate. Current season with my 50mins of gameplay i have an 80% win rate with D'Va.

    Hmmm nice snippet of a quote. Actual Quote:

    Now this isn't my opinion but just basing off the facts presented infront of myself D'va is not underpowered, not overpowered but generally sitting in a pretty good position right now prior to Orisa's introduction. How this, and a few other buffs/nerfs will change this is yet to be determined and a slight buff could be in order. However, a slight buff could definitely alter everything and bring her back to that "OP" phase that she was just in.


    Also I will note that I play a Tank Flex role as often as I can which in the current state of the game. I played a lot of reinhardt last season and will only fill when required. I don't consider roadhog a tank which currently leaves me with Zarya, Winston & D'Va. Out of those 3 Zarya is the more "meta" pick, D'Va is my defensive pick, Winston is my offensive pick.

    I also believe that no hero should be a "main" you should have a hero pool and every hero should be situational. Of course not all heroes are situational with a lot of the time it feeling like you need a Reinhardt, Lucio, Ana, Soldier.
    03/23/2017 03:57 PMPosted by Takuya
    Let's do another round of each "d.va is fine" or similar post analysis

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    03/23/2017 07:46 AMPosted by LZU
    you are coming across as salty and butthurt
  • No profile
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    03/23/2017 09:04 AMPosted by GolfTwo
    thank you, !@#$ing christ.
  • XBL
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    03/23/2017 09:07 AMPosted by Phoenix
    She was overbuffed, they fixed it, live with it
  • Platinum, little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 09:10 AMPosted by XxProReapsxX
    D.va is balanced.
  • Gold (but it's silver)
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    03/23/2017 09:14 AMPosted by VMajoris
    Wow. The amount of truth radiating from this post is incredible. Anyone who argues otherwise is delusional.
  • PSN
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    03/23/2017 09:34 AMPosted by Orppranator
    the problem with megathreads is because it's written by people who don't know how to get to the point
  • Silver
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    03/23/2017 09:36 AMPosted by RoyalRainbow
    DVA is fine!

    Learn how to play the game..
  • Gold
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    03/23/2017 09:44 AMPosted by GerLowX
    dva has the similar performance than on pc
  • PSN
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    03/23/2017 01:36 PMPosted by SlayerAdam
    her skill ceiling is pretty low
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 02:01 PMPosted by Blueblizz
    *Grabs popcorn*
  • DIdn't exactly say anything but eitherway, gold
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    03/23/2017 02:03 PMPosted by Banshee
    I hope that is the case
  • XBL
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    03/23/2017 02:54 PMPosted by aj123boy
    I hope he does not react like you guys
  • Little playtime on D.Va
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    03/23/2017 03:24 PMPosted by Polaris
    she was op
  • Gold, PSN gold
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    The pattern keeps showing


    I'm all for buffing D.Va and I disagree with all of these comments, but just because they play on console doesn't mean their argument is automatically invalid. The only thing I would agree with is little playtime, since playtime matters when discussing a character.
    03/23/2017 03:46 PMPosted by Larzyn
    ...

    Hmm, interesting points. So with 400 armor and 100 health, how does that affect her matchups with different heros though? Does Reaper have a chance at taking her out with that much armor? I remember when she was buffed, he really didn't have an advantage in that fight, if anything, he was countered by her. Also, Winston would get even harder countered by her with that much armor, he just wouldn't have a chance (not that he has a chance with most tanks lol, and maybe that's fine!)

    Have you thought about just a minor change such as something similar to the Winston buff, where you move her hitbox up a bit and shrink it by 15 percent? I'm sure you have, but I'd like to know your opinion on it. Giving her extra armor seems to be something Blizzard has now made a strong point NOT TO, that's why I ask.

    Also, does it seem to anyone else that D.Va has a bizarre kit? She's given really close range weapons, boosters, which implies that she should be close to someone, and yet a defensive ability which shuts down her weapons and seems to be a 'protect your teammates from long range threats' ability. What does that add up to? a hybrid dive/main tank? Or a dive in, shoot a bit, dm and back away, and boost to safety? Not sure, just wondering.


    Shrinking her critbox was something people were asking for since Launch but we got the unwanted 100hp instead.


    I'm not huge on shrinking her critbox as this would alleviate the problem on platforms and levels where aiming is less accurate.

    Amor <> HP swap (minor adj) would benefit her across the board.

    Option 1 is solid, I'd at least like to test it out.
    If d.va is "terrible" play someone else like orisa, maybe some hog or soldier.
    03/23/2017 04:02 PMPosted by AceWolf15
    If d.va is "terrible" play someone else like orisa, maybe some hog or soldier.
    Thank you for your outstanding contribution to the discussion.
    03/23/2017 07:32 AMPosted by Takuya
    03/23/2017 07:26 AMPosted by l33tk1ng
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    Players like you are the reason why she wont get buffed. Don't give buffs to fools. It could easily go out of hand again.
    Platinum... and toxic. Yep, Pattern still showing.


    If that's your "sorry" excuse then I feel bad for you. Can't make a better one? Have to look up the profile and label random players by their rankings? Good one.
    03/23/2017 04:02 PMPosted by AceWolf15
    If d.va is "terrible" play someone else like orisa, maybe some hog or soldier.


    Why should we be forced to play characters we don't like because the character we do like isn't viable? I don't enjoy playing Roadhog or Orisa and Soldier isn't a tank.

    The reason we're doing this is because we like D.Va's gameplay, and we want to be able to benefit our team as her.
    03/23/2017 04:04 PMPosted by Drek
    03/23/2017 04:02 PMPosted by AceWolf15
    If d.va is "terrible" play someone else like orisa, maybe some hog or soldier.
    Thank you for your outstanding contribution to the discussion.


    What discussion?
    Overwatch Central's video was painfully vague as to whether or not they consider her underpowered. Then they started comparing her to Orisa. Orisa. The immobile, mid range tank with a barrier and a supportive ultimate. I can't even.

    Orisa and DVA complement each other, they don't compete. I guess there is the fact that DVA gets roflstomped at point blank range in a duel. Not noteworthy but quite hilarious.

    I hoped to at least get some acknowledgement that the way her primary fire works conflicts with her new playstyle on a fundamental level. It's bad design, does not 'feel good' to play, and most importantly it's a nasty trap for new DVA players. That's particularly sad considering she is meant to be an 'easy to pick up and play' hero.
    Play hog instead of D.va? If I wanted to play DPS I'd play an actual DPS hero. That way I wouldn't be occupying a spot that should be used for a real tank.
    03/23/2017 03:58 PMPosted by DexterousGek
    shaming people for various reasons YOU believe are legit aren't going to help your position at all. You're insulting the person, not the argument.
    03/23/2017 04:00 PMPosted by Osho
    You are a meanie.

    A Gold meanie.
    03/23/2017 04:01 PMPosted by Skeletor
    just because they play on console doesn't mean their argument is automatically invalid

    You all got it wrong.
    I have never claimed their opinion is inferior.
    If you read the first chunk of comments I listed, "the pattern" shows that a lot, if not most, of people who claim D.Va is fine belong to either console or low ranks, or at least they have very little playtime on her.
    This is not shaming, as I myself have already said that it's very possible they're right and D.Va is fine on their respective elos.

    What I'm showing right here is that we are seeing different realities depending on what platform / rank we are.
    03/23/2017 07:38 AMPosted by BustNak
    03/22/2017 08:45 PMPosted by Brasso90
    Having reviewed the Esports Meta Report for the past week in regards to Monthly Melee and D'va having a 23% pick rate which is the lowest tank but still picked at a decent rate in comparison.

    23% is not decent when the ideal is 40%. That there are characters with worse pick rate doesn't mean 23% is decent. Granted still being played effectively in selected circumstances could technically be called viable.

    All these points have been addressed before had you kept up with the mega threads. That is why you are getting down voted.


    Living in an ideal world. Rogue who won the tournament ran a 3 DPS, 1 Tank, 2 Healers. 5 Tanks fighting for 1 position is 20% I believe. In saying this Zarya had < 40% usage as well. Is a buff needed?

    If healers were looked at the same we have 4 and each team usually has 2 so they should have a 50% pick rate.

    You have to realise different heroes are situational and other heroes synergise well.
    03/23/2017 03:41 PMPosted by DexterousGek
    Hmm, interesting points. So with 400 armor and 100 health, how does that affect her matchups with different heros though? Does Reaper have a chance at taking her out with that much armor? I remember when she was buffed, he really didn't have an advantage in that fight, if anything, he was countered by her. Also, Winston would get even harder countered by her with that much armor, he just wouldn't have a chance (not that he has a chance with most tanks lol, and maybe that's fine!)

    Have you thought about just a minor change such as something similar to the Winston buff, where you move her hitbox up a bit and shrink it by 15 percent? I'm sure you have, but I'd like to know your opinion on it. Giving her extra armor seems to be something Blizzard has now made a strong point NOT TO, that's why I ask.

    Also, does it seem to anyone else that D.Va has a bizarre kit? She's given really close range weapons, boosters, which implies that she should be close to someone, and yet a defensive ability which shuts down her weapons and seems to be a 'protect your teammates from long range threats' ability. What does that add up to? a hybrid dive/main tank? Or a dive in, shoot a bit, dm and back away, and boost to safety? Not sure, just wondering.


    Have you read Slade's Tale of the Girl post? He gives some pretty wonderful explanations for why her kit is the way it is. What do you think?
    Honestly, I hate having 600 HP as D.Va. It just feels like a struggle to keep her health up (especially within the armor range). 600 health works for Roadhog because he can heal up half of it every 8 seconds. It sucks having to constantly need the attention of healers in order to stay in the fight. It just doesn't feel good.

    For a hero with "shotgun spread" like Reaper and Roadhog, her dps feels lacking. Unlike Winston, D.Va can't shield and dps simultaneously. She also has to deal with a movement penalty while firing, making her quite vulnerable while attacking.

    I would gladly sacrifice 100 of her total health for some more armor and dps. Something like 200 health and 300 armor would be great, in my opinion.

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