2 CP win rates in Quickplay, Blizzard?

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Before anyone says "it's quickplay, who cares" just don't bother.

I've been playing a bit more quickplay lately when practicing new heroes or when coming back from a few days off, and I tend to play a ton of 2 CP maps. Due to the nature of quickplay, it's quite a bit more difficult to actually take the second objective on any of the maps. As soon as the map changes to Hanamura, or Volkskaya the attacking team loses a bunch of players because they don't want to bother trying. It's almost so bad that I sometimes wonder why they even have 2 CP maps in the quickplay rotation.

Hey Blizzard if you see this, can you provide some stats on the win rates for offense and defense on the 2 CP maps in quickplay?
Quick Play

Time period: 5/14/17 - 7/12/17 (I'm not sure why I don't have earlier data... I'll have to ask about that)

Hanamura: Attack 49.79%, Defense 50.21%
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
Temple of Anubis: Attack 49.92%, Defense 50.08%
Volskaya: Attack 49.76%, Defense 50.24%
Eichenwalde: Attack 46.13%, Defense 53.87%
Hollywood: Attack 49.91%, Defense 50.09%
King's Row: Attack 50.14%, Defense 49.86%
Numbani: Attack 49.40%, Defense 50.60%
Dorado: Attack 49.66%, Defense 50.34%
Route 66: Attack: 49.94%, Defense 50.06%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar: Attack 50.13%, Defense 49.87%
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07/13/2017 09:49 AMPosted by Jeff Kaplan
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
I guess people were right when they said attackers were more favoured on Horizon

PS- Incoming full quote posts, it's gonna become a long Page 1. Yep I was right!
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OP savaged by the stats.
07/13/2017 09:49 AMPosted by Jeff Kaplan
Quick Play

Time period: 5/14/17 - 7/12/17 (I'm not sure why I don't have earlier data... I'll have to ask about that)

Hanamura: Attack 49.79%, Defense 50.21%
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
Temple of Anubis: Attack 49.92%, Defense 50.08%
Volskaya: Attack 49.76%, Defense 50.24%
Eichenwalde: Attack 46.13%, Defense 53.87%
Hollywood: Attack 49.91%, Defense 50.09%
King's Row: Attack 50.14%, Defense 49.86%
Numbani: Attack 49.40%, Defense 50.60%
Dorado: Attack 49.66%, Defense 50.34%
Route 66: Attack: 49.94%, Defense 50.06%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar: Attack 50.13%, Defense 49.87%


Wow Papa Jeph is great.
Funny how Only Horizon is in Attackers favour from 2 cp maps.
Highly Rated
07/13/2017 09:49 AMPosted by Jeff Kaplan
Quick Play

Time period: 5/14/17 - 7/12/17 (I'm not sure why I don't have earlier data... I'll have to ask about that)

Hanamura: Attack 49.79%, Defense 50.21%
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
Temple of Anubis: Attack 49.92%, Defense 50.08%
Volskaya: Attack 49.76%, Defense 50.24%
Eichenwalde: Attack 46.13%, Defense 53.87%
Hollywood: Attack 49.91%, Defense 50.09%
King's Row: Attack 50.14%, Defense 49.86%
Numbani: Attack 49.40%, Defense 50.60%
Dorado: Attack 49.66%, Defense 50.34%
Route 66: Attack: 49.94%, Defense 50.06%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar: Attack 50.13%, Defense 49.87%
interesting, but could you please release more data so we dont rely on sites like overbuff.
interesting that horizon is so skewed to attack

07/13/2017 09:49 AMPosted by Jeff Kaplan
Quick Play

Time period: 5/14/17 - 7/12/17 (I'm not sure why I don't have earlier data... I'll have to ask about that)

Hanamura: Attack 49.79%, Defense 50.21%
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
Temple of Anubis: Attack 49.92%, Defense 50.08%
Volskaya: Attack 49.76%, Defense 50.24%
Eichenwalde: Attack 46.13%, Defense 53.87%
Hollywood: Attack 49.91%, Defense 50.09%
King's Row: Attack 50.14%, Defense 49.86%
Numbani: Attack 49.40%, Defense 50.60%
Dorado: Attack 49.66%, Defense 50.34%
Route 66: Attack: 49.94%, Defense 50.06%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar: Attack 50.13%, Defense 49.87%
07/13/2017 09:49 AMPosted by Jeff Kaplan
Quick Play

Time period: 5/14/17 - 7/12/17 (I'm not sure why I don't have earlier data... I'll have to ask about that)

Hanamura: Attack 49.79%, Defense 50.21%
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
Temple of Anubis: Attack 49.92%, Defense 50.08%
Volskaya: Attack 49.76%, Defense 50.24%
Eichenwalde: Attack 46.13%, Defense 53.87%
Hollywood: Attack 49.91%, Defense 50.09%
King's Row: Attack 50.14%, Defense 49.86%
Numbani: Attack 49.40%, Defense 50.60%
Dorado: Attack 49.66%, Defense 50.34%
Route 66: Attack: 49.94%, Defense 50.06%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar: Attack 50.13%, Defense 49.87%
Any plans on changing Horizon?
07/13/2017 09:49 AMPosted by Jeff Kaplan
Quick Play

Time period: 5/14/17 - 7/12/17 (I'm not sure why I don't have earlier data... I'll have to ask about that)

Hanamura: Attack 49.79%, Defense 50.21%
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
Temple of Anubis: Attack 49.92%, Defense 50.08%
Volskaya: Attack 49.76%, Defense 50.24%
Eichenwalde: Attack 46.13%, Defense 53.87%
Hollywood: Attack 49.91%, Defense 50.09%
King's Row: Attack 50.14%, Defense 49.86%
Numbani: Attack 49.40%, Defense 50.60%
Dorado: Attack 49.66%, Defense 50.34%
Route 66: Attack: 49.94%, Defense 50.06%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar: Attack 50.13%, Defense 49.87%


Pretty consistent across the board and in-line with my personal experience. I'm not surprised about Eichenwalde or Horizon.
Actually jeffs data reflects the OP's impression pretty well. In most maps, defenders win around 0.4-0.6% more, but every day, millions of matches are played.
07/13/2017 09:49 AMPosted by Jeff Kaplan
Quick Play

Time period: 5/14/17 - 7/12/17 (I'm not sure why I don't have earlier data... I'll have to ask about that)

Hanamura: Attack 49.79%, Defense 50.21%
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
Temple of Anubis: Attack 49.92%, Defense 50.08%
Volskaya: Attack 49.76%, Defense 50.24%
Eichenwalde: Attack 46.13%, Defense 53.87%
Hollywood: Attack 49.91%, Defense 50.09%
King's Row: Attack 50.14%, Defense 49.86%
Numbani: Attack 49.40%, Defense 50.60%
Dorado: Attack 49.66%, Defense 50.34%
Route 66: Attack: 49.94%, Defense 50.06%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar: Attack 50.13%, Defense 49.87%

I thought that all 2-cp would have been like Horizon, but favoring defense. Didn't realize the stats were so close.
07/13/2017 09:55 AMPosted by Daggoth1408
now could you actually address the issues with defense heros and why you are so scared to do anything to any of them? garunteed that in most of those games that attack heros were used far more than defence heros on even the defending side.

Look, man, I like defense heroes too. My main is a defense hero. But we all know you're not helping by doing this every time Jeff posts.
07/13/2017 09:49 AMPosted by Jeff Kaplan
Quick Play

Time period: 5/14/17 - 7/12/17 (I'm not sure why I don't have earlier data... I'll have to ask about that)

Hanamura: Attack 49.79%, Defense 50.21%
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
Temple of Anubis: Attack 49.92%, Defense 50.08%
Volskaya: Attack 49.76%, Defense 50.24%
Eichenwalde: Attack 46.13%, Defense 53.87%
Hollywood: Attack 49.91%, Defense 50.09%
King's Row: Attack 50.14%, Defense 49.86%
Numbani: Attack 49.40%, Defense 50.60%
Dorado: Attack 49.66%, Defense 50.34%
Route 66: Attack: 49.94%, Defense 50.06%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar: Attack 50.13%, Defense 49.87%


My favorite mode and glad to see it's parity for attack and defense
Thank you Jeff.
Oh look just as I suspected... Win/losses aren't determined by the map but by the hero's chosen and skill of the players.

Who woulda thunk it
What about win rates for individual ranks?
07/13/2017 09:56 AMPosted by HappyFeet
Any plans on changing Horizon?


We've talked about a few changes. We want to give it more time before doing anything drastic.

I know this is going to sound off to some of you, but these stats don't concern us as being grossly unbalanced. We've had periods in the early release and beta of the game where maps were skewed as bad as 30/70. When a map gets close to 40/60, most players perceive it as balanced. So being within 4-6% of 50/50 is still pretty good. Of course, we'll always strive for 50/50 but I think Horizon and Eichenwalde are both really fun maps.
Most are nearly 50/50, which is good to hear. Horizon will probably balance out after a few months once people figure out how to defend it better. Hint: Torb is key part of a Horizon defense.

Edit: ninjaed by Jeff Kaplan himself. Lol
07/13/2017 09:54 AMPosted by AlephNull
interesting that horizon is so skewed to attack

07/13/2017 09:49 AMPosted by Jeff Kaplan
Quick Play

Time period: 5/14/17 - 7/12/17 (I'm not sure why I don't have earlier data... I'll have to ask about that)

Hanamura: Attack 49.79%, Defense 50.21%
Horizon: Attack 54.50%, Defense 45.50%
Temple of Anubis: Attack 49.92%, Defense 50.08%
Volskaya: Attack 49.76%, Defense 50.24%
Eichenwalde: Attack 46.13%, Defense 53.87%
Hollywood: Attack 49.91%, Defense 50.09%
King's Row: Attack 50.14%, Defense 49.86%
Numbani: Attack 49.40%, Defense 50.60%
Dorado: Attack 49.66%, Defense 50.34%
Route 66: Attack: 49.94%, Defense 50.06%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar: Attack 50.13%, Defense 49.87%


Both Point A and B on that map have a million flank routes you have to contain and unlike most 2cp maps, point B is even harder to defend than A, despite the respawn being so close to the point.

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