does anyone else feel like Mei counters no one.

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09/05/2017 03:12 PMPosted by TinyRick
I don't think Mei actually needs to counter anyone. She provides a LOT of utility, and she alone can drastically change the course of a game just with Ice Wall alone, if done well enough. This doesn't include her utility in an actual fight: if you're in close quarters, you're likely going to lose simply because you're completely disabled. It doesn't have to be against Genji or Tracer specifically, but it's hard to escape her without the use of high-mobility, CC, or a teammate's aid.
if mei doesnt counter anyone, then you are just better off using someone who does counter someone. Also it takes forever to freeze someone while maybe sometimes you might win 1v1 fights. This is a team game though, were Mei has to hope that she can freeze someone while the 5 other players are not around shooting you.
Mei is a nightmare for a lot of the tanks. D.va, Winston, Rein, Zarya, Orisa, and Hog are all basically screwed if she gets close to them and their 1 way to get away or counter her is on CD cuz she can freeze faster than any of them can do 250 damage.
09/05/2017 03:21 PMPosted by BigProf
Mei is a nightmare for a lot of the tanks. D.va, Winston, Rein, Zarya, Orisa, and Hog are all basically screwed if she gets close to them and their 1 way to get away or counter her is on CD cuz she can freeze faster than any of them can do 250 damage.
She has no way to get close to them, especially if you stay with your tanks.
There is no feels like. Her kit doesn't directly counter any other character in the game you have to outplay everyone with her.

If you actually think about her primary it is an incredibly stupid ability. In the time it takes you to actually freeze someone with it at close range basically every other character can just kill that person while hitting them. It isn't like she has some damage mitigation that allows her to be able to be that close for that long to freeze them either. So basically you are just wasting your time while taking huge risks for no reason outside of freezing tanks to stop them from protecting people. Which is why people getting upset about being frozen is so dumb. Son you would just be dead already if you let someone else hit you for that long.
They're going to have to be careful with Mei.

She definitely needs some love right now, but she's pretty close to being obnoxious as is.

Same thing I said with junkrat though, and yet here we are. Junkrat only got buffs and now he's a nightmare to play against.
You list a bunch of scenarios where mei is all alone.

Who is this bad player not staying with their team mates you're implying in this post?

Edit: seems the reason people want mei buffed is because she can't 1v6?
09/05/2017 03:16 PMPosted by Hecatomb
09/05/2017 03:12 PMPosted by TinyRick
I don't think Mei actually needs to counter anyone. She provides a LOT of utility, and she alone can drastically change the course of a game just with Ice Wall alone, if done well enough. This doesn't include her utility in an actual fight: if you're in close quarters, you're likely going to lose simply because you're completely disabled. It doesn't have to be against Genji or Tracer specifically, but it's hard to escape her without the use of high-mobility, CC, or a teammate's aid.
if mei doesnt counter anyone, then you are just better off using someone who does counter someone. Also it takes forever to freeze someone while maybe sometimes you might win 1v1 fights. This is a team game though, were Mei has to hope that she can freeze someone while the 5 other players are not around shooting you.
It's easy to say a character is useful because they can destroy a different character. It takes a bit more resourcefulness to get use out of a character that's designed to support their own team by crippling the other. Mei appears to be designed to do the latter. I understand the game's very dynamic, but if you're not working with your team then of course you're not going to get much use out of a hero that's geared towards helping her team.
09/05/2017 03:27 PMPosted by Shame
You list a bunch of scenarios where mei is all alone.

Who is this bad player not staying with their team mates you're implying in this post?

Edit: seems the reason people want mei buffed is because she can't 1v6?
She can't even 1v2. Most attack heroes, and even some defense heroes, do so with ease.
Mei is really good against deathballs, since she can bisect a charging Reinhardt from his team at choke points. Really, she can cut any low-mobility team in half, which is why a lot of people used to run offensive Mei just to counter the other Mei's icewall.

She might need some buffs, but the biggest reason she's so underplayed right now is that she's really bad against dive comps.
09/05/2017 12:27 AMPosted by Pulsefire
Mei is a DEFESIVE hero - she doesn't go out and try to kill people - she kills the people who come to HER.
You don't counter Genji by going out and chasing him - your mere presence in the backline makes Genji incapable of trying to dive in and attack your supports because he'll die instantly.
Your mere presence keeps D.VA from being free to dive your team, because she'll get frozen and focused down instantly.
You can 1v1 squishy characters - but you let them come to YOU. You ambush them.
The Wall is a great way of splitting teams who are trying to push through chokes, so you're a good counter to deathball set-ups.

You're a DEFENSE hero - you HOLD positions, you don't go out and attack people.


That logic is flawed since everyone considers widow and hanzo better attackers than defenders.
mei doesnt really counter anybody other than dva ignoring DM and dva requiring relative close range to do significant damage.

mei is extremely good at stalling, and the wall (if used well) can isolate and allow safe clean pick-offs. but stalling is only good on 2 CP, and isolating and picking off is pointless against dive when you are merely closing off an escape they wont even need.
It's a problem with most Defense heroes, not just Mei, most of the time you'll see people switch to counter defense heroes, usually other offense heroes. But you almost never see people change to Defense heroes in order to counter, some exceptions might be Junkrat or Bastion vs Rein and Orisa.
09/05/2017 12:32 AMPosted by Avian
She counters a playstyle and is capable of winning almost any 1v1 in close range.


This is kinda how I view her. She is the ultimate duelist where she will win almost any 1v1 but she will loose anything outside that.
09/05/2017 03:23 PMPosted by XodiaK
09/05/2017 03:21 PMPosted by BigProf
Mei is a nightmare for a lot of the tanks. D.va, Winston, Rein, Zarya, Orisa, and Hog are all basically screwed if she gets close to them and their 1 way to get away or counter her is on CD cuz she can freeze faster than any of them can do 250 damage.
She has no way to get close to them, especially if you stay with your tanks.


Sure she does. Why aren't your tanks pushing forward?
09/05/2017 03:44 PMPosted by BigProf
<span class="truncated">...</span>She has no way to get close to them, especially if you stay with your tanks.


Sure she does. Why aren't your tanks pushing forward?
Cause I'm on Defense. BTW that would be you getting close to her; not the same thing.

She has no reliable way to contribute to a team fight other than Ice Wall right now. Her CC can only really effect one player at a time, which is impossible if you're grouped up with your team. It's extremely uninterruptible.

EDIT: And since the 'meta' usually consists of characters that can just go over the wall, that too, is unreliable.

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