Junkrat is overpowered

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Junkrat nowadays is in almost every game because of how strong he is . Now while the recent buffs to junkrat hit live servers I feel like some times junkrat never dies because of his high damage. I see it unfair for players who have good aim and still get killed by mr junk, now if we look at at his damage potential he does 120 damage per gernade/ammo , 80 steal trap damage /120X2 concussion mines. Now I see that junk rather mines where designed for MOBILITY whith those mines he can "onew shot" 70% of overwatch roster and it's really frustrating of junkrat spam to kill you while he is hidden on the other side of the map
He's super annoying, sure, but not overpowered.
10/13/2017 12:37 PMPosted by REAPER
now if we look at at his damage potential he does 120 damage per gernade/ammo , 80 steal trap damage /100X2 concussion mines. Now I see that junk rather mines where designed for MOBILITY whith those mines he can "onew shot" 70% of overwatch roster
Three things:
1.) The mines deal 120 damage (not 100).
2.) Junkrat can't "one shot" anyone with any of his weapons/abilites aside from his Rip Tire.
3.) I think most players would agree that Junkrat is a tad strong at the moment.
Y'all need to stop equating pick rate with a hero being allegedly op.
10/13/2017 12:41 PMPosted by WarmasterCly
2.) Junkrat can't "one shot" anyone with any of his weapons/abilites aside from his Rip Tire.


Discord Orb/Damage Boost against Tracer/Baby DVa = Effortless Mine OHKO. I know that's just me being **** about it but STILL. Had to clarify!
Junkrat is not overpowered. He's just able to do something now and people aren't used to that. You'll learn to cope.
There are plenty of heroes who can hard counter junk, and saying that he can "one shot" people with his new mines is pretty false, cause at close range if he uses his mine on someone, they will both be knocked back, so it's close to impossible to land 2 mines on one enemy in a close enough amount of time to be considered a "one shot" ability
Tracer vs Junkrat: any tips? I always seem to run into the little bombs lmao
10/13/2017 12:46 PMPosted by Kupcakez
Tracer vs Junkrat: any tips? I always seem to run into the little bombs lmao


Listen for the car alarm sounds, if you've heard two go off in a relatively short amount of time, you know you can safely get within range to melt his face without having to worry about getting One-Trick-Two-Mined on. His head is a pretty big target. As to the little bombs, DO-NOT-JUMP, jumping is momentum locking and can lead to you landing right on top of a bomb that you could have easily just strafed to dodge. Basically spaced out ADADADAD spam wins you the matchup if your aim is decent. Obviously don't engage him in enclosed spaces, the small bombs have a large enough hitbox to instagib you if you're in a corridor.

A good general rule for Tracer is to not use Blinks to enter a fight, use them once you're in one. This way you have a crapton. Blinking through Junkrat is risky since Blink doesn't have I-Frames , so WA and WD blinks are preferable as long as you can keep your eye on him.
No he is not - idiots need to stop blindly running into him at close range or hanging out in chokes with falling bombs and rollers all over the place - resect him that way and he becomes a feared and respected dps, but not OP - as he should be

It is perfectly OK that he is now a good choice on a team - as long as he doesn't suddenly exceed Tracer and Genji in pro games, then you know for a fact that he is ok - if pros can handle him, then amateurs should adjust their play and adapt to his presence

The Demoman whom he is based on has eight, count them, EIGHT bombs - no trap mind you, but I'd rather have the 8 bombs with self-damage and firing delay, but more range and ALL allowed out at once - let's get real here...
I really hope he gets nerfed.

He's the only hero in this entire game that I cannot find a hero to solo counter pick him reliably. If you think about it going a certain hero and using a specific playstyle to shut them down is a valid tactic. I have a deep counter pick pool just for that reason. Idk Maybe I'm just bad.

Inb4 pharah. In theory pharah works to counter junk. The point is moot if they don't have a hitscan since you should exploit that immediately anyways. Even when i use pharah to check junk I'm often dealing with a hitscan and or dva all over me Just making it impossible to do the job I picked that hero for. It takes literally a pocket mercy to overcome that. So that's an unreliable solo counter as I'd need a teammate.

Zarya used to ruin junk junk still keeps her charged up but with his added mine giving him more mobility+displacement +burst damage I find it harder to finish him off from him or me going flying every few seconds. Not to mention the he can solo zarya alot Easier.
Genji: my main. Would have said in the old days its a 50/50 Used to be able to track junks cool down and punish him when he had no mine. Now he always has a mine to do 120-damage to me for even thinking about approaching his bubble.
I can still take advantage of his spam in lanes for meaty deflects but idk... The matchup just feels off. Like genji should be decent agaisnt rat but he's not because the mine is just to easy to land and the reward doesn't match up with the effort to land it.

When a specialist hero becomes so strong that they are able to consistnely find a way around counterplay then it's too powerful.

This game is built in a way that if someone is giving you or your team trouble press h and adjust.

I'm just not sure what that adjust actually is...
10/13/2017 01:27 PMPosted by Genji
I really hope he gets nerfed.

He's the only hero in this entire game that I cannot find a hero to solo counter pick him reliably. If you think about it going a certain hero and using a specific playstyle to shut them down is a valid tactic. I have a deep counter pick pool just for that reason. Idk Maybe I'm just bad.

Inb4 pharah. In theory pharah works to counter junk. The point is moot if they don't have a hitscan since you should exploit that immediately anyways. Even when i use pharah to check junk I'm often dealing with a hitscan and or dva all over me Just making it impossible to do the job I picked that hero for. It takes literally a pocket mercy to overcome that. So that's an unreliable solo counter as I'd need a teammate.

Zarya used to ruin junk junk still keeps her charged up but with his added mine giving him more mobility+displacement +burst damage I find it harder to finish him off from him or me going flying every few seconds. Not to mention the he can solo zarya alot Easier.
Genji: my main. Would have said in the old days its a 50/50 Used to be able to track junks cool down and punish him when he had no mine. Now he always has a mine to do 120-damage to me for even thinking about approaching his bubble.
I can still take advantage of his spam in lanes for meaty deflects but idk... The matchup just feels off. Like genji should be decent agaisnt rat but he's not because the mine is just to easy to land and the reward doesn't match up with the effort to land it.

When a specialist hero becomes so strong that they are able to consistnely find a way around counterplay then it's too powerful.

This game is built in a way that if someone is giving you or your team trouble press h and adjust.

I'm just not sure what that adjust actually is...


Counter picks for dps is not supposed to be "reliable" - taking Junk is no longer a mistake that is open to punish by the right picks - Pharah still eats him, but you can protect him with 76 or McCree and get a lot of use out of him with a Pharah present - that match depends mostly on the interplay between 76 and Pharah - 76 has the advantage there however, but overall, what the team with Pharah gives up to 76, the team with rat gives to Pharah, so it is balanced

Look at Tracer, 76, and Genji - neither of them have a truly "hard" counter and that's ok (Winston is NOT a hard counter to genji - if he was, Genji would not have been the #2 dps - a top 10 hero during the meta when Winston was over 95%)
10/13/2017 01:27 PMPosted by Genji
Inb4 pharah. In theory pharah works to counter junk. The point is moot if they don't have a hitscan since you should exploit that immediately anyways. Even when i use pharah to check junk I'm often dealing with a hitscan and or dva all over me


Play more Pharah. You don't hang in the air like a balloon, you play her like you would play Genji or any other flanker. Her flight is a tool to access the backline and get to priority targets. The myth that Pharah is only effective if she hangs in the air is dispelled real quick if you don't use the one horizontal movement ability she has to dodge fire.

Pharah doesn't counter Junk in theory, it's fact. Just because D.Va or another hitscan is also harassing you doesn't mean you don't counter Junk, it means you're one hero taking on two or three. Work with your team.
10/13/2017 12:46 PMPosted by Kupcakez
Tracer vs Junkrat: any tips? I always seem to run into the little bombs lmao


If you're up against a good Junk he will try and predict your movement. Not sure if this might be the case with the Junk's you encounter, but if it is it helps to try and move unpredictably.
10/13/2017 12:42 PMPosted by Amo
Y'all need to stop equating pick rate with a hero being allegedly op.


He's overperforming in the hands of terrible player.

He should get hurt by his own grenades and ult at the VERY least. (not his mine, since its his mobility)

He's WAY better than Reaper in every way.
"Buff Junkrat he is weak as hell and a troll pick!"

Gets buff

"Nerf Junkrat he is OP AF and always in my games!"

Yep these are the Overwatch forums for ya.
10/13/2017 01:27 PMPosted by Genji
I really hope he gets nerfed.

He's the only hero in this entire game that I cannot find a hero to solo counter pick him reliably. If you think about it going a certain hero and using a specific playstyle to shut them down is a valid tactic. I have a deep counter pick pool just for that reason. Idk Maybe I'm just bad.

Inb4 pharah. In theory pharah works to counter junk. The point is moot if they don't have a hitscan since you should exploit that immediately anyways. Even when i use pharah to check junk I'm often dealing with a hitscan and or dva all over me Just making it impossible to do the job I picked that hero for. It takes literally a pocket mercy to overcome that. So that's an unreliable solo counter as I'd need a teammate.

Zarya used to ruin junk junk still keeps her charged up but with his added mine giving him more mobility+displacement +burst damage I find it harder to finish him off from him or me going flying every few seconds. Not to mention the he can solo zarya alot Easier.
Genji: my main. Would have said in the old days its a 50/50 Used to be able to track junks cool down and punish him when he had no mine. Now he always has a mine to do 120-damage to me for even thinking about approaching his bubble.
I can still take advantage of his spam in lanes for meaty deflects but idk... The matchup just feels off. Like genji should be decent agaisnt rat but he's not because the mine is just to easy to land and the reward doesn't match up with the effort to land it.

When a specialist hero becomes so strong that they are able to consistnely find a way around counterplay then it's too powerful.

This game is built in a way that if someone is giving you or your team trouble press h and adjust.

I'm just not sure what that adjust actually is...


Git gud
10/13/2017 01:40 PMPosted by DolphinJake

He's overperforming in the hands of terrible player.


Some characters are like that. Reaper and Symmetra can also be played poorly and still secure kills because one obliterates people at point blank and the other doesn't even need to aim. No one's going to argue that Junkrat has a really forgiving skill floor. That's where the misconception of him being "RNG spam" comes from. Yes, you can blindly lob grenades around a corner and, yes, bad players will throw themselves into it constantly. When everyone's bad, the character who aims the least wins.

However, Junkrat's skill ceiling is much higher. Grenades are NOT RNG and do not fly at random arcs or velocities. It's the same every time. This means you can learn just the right arc to lob over ledges or exactly where to aim to hit a moving target. Predicting a player's movement and meeting them there with explosive death might require a little luck (you don't control the enemy) but it also requires a lot of skill. Without a spare mine at his disposal, Junkrat had basically no close range capabilities. He's still at a massive disadvantage at long range, but that's just his weakness as a hero and those playing him can learn to play around that.

So yes, Junkrat might be extremely scary at low levels, but you can't balance around that. If Blizzard compensated every character for a player's possible lack of skill, higher level McCree or Widowmaker players wouldn't just be deadly, they'd be nigh unstoppable.
10/13/2017 01:33 PMPosted by JAG
10/13/2017 01:27 PMPosted by Genji
Inb4 pharah. In theory pharah works to counter junk. The point is moot if they don't have a hitscan since you should exploit that immediately anyways. Even when i use pharah to check junk I'm often dealing with a hitscan and or dva all over me


Play more Pharah. You don't hang in the air like a balloon, you play her like you would play Genji or any other flanker. Her flight is a tool to access the backline and get to priority targets. The myth that Pharah is only effective if she hangs in the air is dispelled real quick if you don't use the one horizontal movement ability she has to dodge fire.

Pharah doesn't counter Junk in theory, it's fact. Just because D.Va or another hitscan is also harassing you doesn't mean you don't counter Junk, it means you're one hero taking on two or three. Work with your team.

I get it lol i played lots of pharah on my other account as stated earlier me going pharah is often pointless as it turns into hitscan+dva vs me so i can't really seek out the junk. And the counterpick is largely pointless
10/13/2017 01:46 PMPosted by ANNOÝING
10/13/2017 01:27 PMPosted by Genji
I really hope he gets nerfed.

He's the only hero in this entire game that I cannot find a hero to solo counter pick him reliably. If you think about it going a certain hero and using a specific playstyle to shut them down is a valid tactic. I have a deep counter pick pool just for that reason. Idk Maybe I'm just bad.

Inb4 pharah. In theory pharah works to counter junk. The point is moot if they don't have a hitscan since you should exploit that immediately anyways. Even when i use pharah to check junk I'm often dealing with a hitscan and or dva all over me Just making it impossible to do the job I picked that hero for. It takes literally a pocket mercy to overcome that. So that's an unreliable solo counter as I'd need a teammate.

Zarya used to ruin junk junk still keeps her charged up but with his added mine giving him more mobility+displacement +burst damage I find it harder to finish him off from him or me going flying every few seconds. Not to mention the he can solo zarya alot Easier.
Genji: my main. Would have said in the old days its a 50/50 Used to be able to track junks cool down and punish him when he had no mine. Now he always has a mine to do 120-damage to me for even thinking about approaching his bubble.
I can still take advantage of his spam in lanes for meaty deflects but idk... The matchup just feels off. Like genji should be decent agaisnt rat but he's not because the mine is just to easy to land and the reward doesn't match up with the effort to land it.

When a specialist hero becomes so strong that they are able to consistnely find a way around counterplay then it's too powerful.

This game is built in a way that if someone is giving you or your team trouble press h and adjust.

I'm just not sure what that adjust actually is...


Git gud


You do realize my sr is 1200 higher than yours. So the Goldie telling me to git gud when you can't even get out of gold lmao.

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