Dva's tanking ability is gone now?

General Discussion
When did this Dva nerf happen? I stop playing for two weeks to move and I come back and Dva's basically a crappy DD?
Her versatility is gone now. You can't cut/exit out of her boost, the boost itself doesn't even effect the smallest character in terms of physics so map kills are out too and they cut her defense matrix in half or a third?
Who OK'd this? She was hardly even a tank before this and now shes literally just what....? She sucks more than Roadhog does, or did he get a buff now? We had 3 competent tank characters for offense and now I guess we only have 2?
Its a good thing Battlefield 1 is getting a new expansion and the new Star Wars game is just around the corner because this is the last straw for me.
You can cut out of the boost, just press the button again and you'll stop. Also she can now burst combo down a 200 hp hero in one go (boost towards while firing, micro missiles, impact damage and melee).

She's become more of the agro-tank she used to be at the expense of having less DM.

But if you don't like the game, please just stop playing, don't write whiny, nonconstructive forum posts that are also factually incorrect.
10/12/2017 02:05 PMPosted by soggy2na
When did this Dva nerf happen? I stop paying for two week to move and I come back and Dva's basically a crappy DD?


You stop paying you get bad results.
10/12/2017 02:22 PMPosted by LaurenceR
You can cut out of the boost, just press the button again and you'll stop. Also she can now burst combo down a 200 hp hero in one go (boost towards while firing, micro missiles, impact damage and melee).


So yeah much much much less tanking ability but far more dps

think of her as a 300hp defense hero that can contest high ground better than any defense or offense hero.
10/12/2017 02:22 PMPosted by LaurenceR
You can cut out of the boost, just press the button again and you'll stop. Also she can now burst combo down a 200 hp hero in one go (boost towards while firing, micro missiles, impact damage and melee).

She's become more of the agro-tank she used to be at the expense of having less DM.

But if you don't like the game, please just stop playing, don't write whiny, nonconstructive forum posts that are also factually incorrect.

She use to be a support tank, and area denial specialist, and whats this about missiles? Do they auto fire or what? Why did they make this change anyway? People have been complaining about DM since Beta and now they nerf her? Right after they put out a melee specialist character with every attack of his capable of going through DM anyway? Not to mention Zarya, Mei and Winston and every melee character already counter? Makes no sense? Shes literally useless as tank or support, on defense and offense.
She was never a defensive tank. People started playing her such when her DM got unnecessarily buffed where it instadeleted anything.

The point of the buff was to compensate how Hog+Reaper could tear through her when they were up close and in her face, since her armor was cut down.

People adopted her OP DM as a more versatile Rein shield, which lead to Dva being the DM bodyguard for dive meta.

It was extemely unhealthy for the game, not because it deleted ults, but because that was the ONLY good trait about Dva which people mistook her for a defensive tank when she was never designed to be one.

Now she is the bully tank she used to be, and was designed for. You just need to adjust your playstyle if you plan to stay with the game and keep playing her. If you want her to be defensive, you just gotta play Rein or Orisa.
Not entirely, you have to play her at a faster pace; which is actually fine once you're used to it because she has the firepower now to operate more quickly.
I feel like if anything she's better now because she can shoot while she is flying towards people. I think they should get rid of that.
She's a lot more fun to play now. Squishier, yes, but in the land of dive and high mobility she's very viable.

She's also a nightmare for Pharah now that she can boost and shoot at the same time.
10/12/2017 02:29 PMPosted by Xplo
She was never a defensive tank. People started playing her such when her DM got unnecessarily buffed where it instadeleted anything.

The point of the buff was to compensate how Hog+Reaper could tear through her when they were up close and in her face, since her armor was cut down.

People adopted her OP DM as a more versatile Rein shield, which lead to Dva being the DM bodyguard for dive meta.

It was extemely unhealthy for the game, not because it deleted ults, but because that was the ONLY good trait about Dva which people mistook her for a defensive tank when she was never designed to be one.

Now she is the bully tank she used to be, and was designed for. You just need to adjust your playstyle if you plan to stay with the game and keep playing her. If you want her to be defensive, you just gotta play Rein or Orisa.

I've been playing her the same since Beta, shes never got a buff to the DM. Idk what you're talking about lol.
10/12/2017 02:37 PMPosted by soggy2na
10/12/2017 02:29 PMPosted by Xplo
She was never a defensive tank. People started playing her such when her DM got unnecessarily buffed where it instadeleted anything.

The point of the buff was to compensate how Hog+Reaper could tear through her when they were up close and in her face, since her armor was cut down.

People adopted her OP DM as a more versatile Rein shield, which lead to Dva being the DM bodyguard for dive meta.

It was extemely unhealthy for the game, not because it deleted ults, but because that was the ONLY good trait about Dva which people mistook her for a defensive tank when she was never designed to be one.

Now she is the bully tank she used to be, and was designed for. You just need to adjust your playstyle if you plan to stay with the game and keep playing her. If you want her to be defensive, you just gotta play Rein or Orisa.

I've been playing her the same since Beta, shes never got a buff to the DM. Idk what you're talking about lol.


Wait you serious?

you dont remember when dm was a single effect like deflect. then it became a toggle

then some where along the lines it got a dead zone, then that went away, then dm just got nerfed hard by getting cut in half.
It was always toggle, and it always had a dead zone point blank
Frankly they seem to have changed D.Va to be more like DPS than a Tank. They keep changing their vision for her.
When they first nerfed her HP, they saw her as more of an "Ult" denial character, so they buffed her Matrix to make her just that - deny ults. Okay. She was used like they intended.
Nope, you can't have characters that block ults, so they nerf her Defense Matrix and make her more damage focused. They do the same for Hog. They're both DPSes now. :/ Hog is still more or less a competent tank, but he seems to be a better flanker now.
10/12/2017 02:41 PMPosted by soggy2na
It was always toggle, and it always had a dead zone point blank


lol no it wasn't.
10/12/2017 02:41 PMPosted by soggy2na
It was always toggle, and it always had a dead zone point blank

The toggle didn't come until late Season 2. At launch it was on a cooldown.

Regardless, yes, she's less of a tank, she can't really solo tank but she's a functional off-tank and still a very good pick as such; and the stats bear that out.
10/12/2017 02:37 PMPosted by soggy2na
10/12/2017 02:29 PMPosted by Xplo
She was never a defensive tank. People started playing her such when her DM got unnecessarily buffed where it instadeleted anything.

The point of the buff was to compensate how Hog+Reaper could tear through her when they were up close and in her face, since her armor was cut down.

People adopted her OP DM as a more versatile Rein shield, which lead to Dva being the DM bodyguard for dive meta.

It was extemely unhealthy for the game, not because it deleted ults, but because that was the ONLY good trait about Dva which people mistook her for a defensive tank when she was never designed to be one.

Now she is the bully tank she used to be, and was designed for. You just need to adjust your playstyle if you plan to stay with the game and keep playing her. If you want her to be defensive, you just gotta play Rein or Orisa.

I've been playing her the same since Beta, shes never got a buff to the DM. Idk what you're talking about lol.


The fact that you don't know about the buff proves my point. See for yourself:

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753535162

"Projectiles in Dva's DM no longer need to travel a minimum distance."

This is what lead to her leading dive, as her team would just fight inside DM and it's a moveable, toggleable, forcefield. Then in pubs it became "toggle on to protect your team from the duration of an ult."

Like I said, she was never suppose to be a defensive tank.
10/12/2017 02:41 PMPosted by Mocha
Frankly they seem to have changed D.Va to be more like DPS than a Tank. They keep changing their vision for her.
When they first nerfed her HP, they saw her as more of an "Ult" denial character, so they buffed her Matrix to make her just that - deny ults. Okay. She was used like they intended.
Nope, you can't have characters that block ults, so they nerf her Defense Matrix and make her more damage focused. They do the same for Hog. They're both DPSes now. :/ Hog is still more or less a competent tank, but he seems to be a better flanker now.

If anything Blizzard has contradictory logic when it comes to new Hog and new D.Va.

New Hog is closer to being a tank than before (not a Rein substitute of course) and less of a DPS.

New D.Va is much closer to being a DPS with only a little bit of tank left in her.

I personally have the opinion that we didn't need more DPS heroes at this time. On the other hand there is a shortage of tanks...
10/12/2017 02:37 PMPosted by soggy2na
10/12/2017 02:29 PMPosted by Xplo
She was never a defensive tank. People started playing her such when her DM got unnecessarily buffed where it instadeleted anything.

The point of the buff was to compensate how Hog+Reaper could tear through her when they were up close and in her face, since her armor was cut down.

People adopted her OP DM as a more versatile Rein shield, which lead to Dva being the DM bodyguard for dive meta.

It was extemely unhealthy for the game, not because it deleted ults, but because that was the ONLY good trait about Dva which people mistook her for a defensive tank when she was never designed to be one.

Now she is the bully tank she used to be, and was designed for. You just need to adjust your playstyle if you plan to stay with the game and keep playing her. If you want her to be defensive, you just gotta play Rein or Orisa.

I've been playing her the same since Beta, shes never got a buff to the DM. Idk what you're talking about lol.

Dude, DM has been changed as many times as Roadhog's hook, and they're testing a 6th change on the ptr now.

Also, in response to one of your earlier posts, she has 600hp, not 300. And the missiles are her E ability now.
10/12/2017 02:45 PMPosted by FupDup
10/12/2017 02:41 PMPosted by Mocha
Frankly they seem to have changed D.Va to be more like DPS than a Tank. They keep changing their vision for her.
When they first nerfed her HP, they saw her as more of an "Ult" denial character, so they buffed her Matrix to make her just that - deny ults. Okay. She was used like they intended.
Nope, you can't have characters that block ults, so they nerf her Defense Matrix and make her more damage focused. They do the same for Hog. They're both DPSes now. :/ Hog is still more or less a competent tank, but he seems to be a better flanker now.

If anything Blizzard has contradictory logic when it comes to new Hog and new D.Va.

New Hog is closer to being a tank than before (not a Rein substitute of course) and less of a DPS.

New D.Va is much closer to being a DPS with only a little bit of tank left in her.

I personally have the opinion that we didn't need more DPS heroes at this time. On the other hand there is a shortage of tanks...


That's exactly my point. It's annoying to see such lapses in logic. :/ D.Va was fine where she was IMHO; sure, defense matrix was a little annoying to deal with, but it wasn't unbalanced.
10/12/2017 02:47 PMPosted by Mocha
10/12/2017 02:45 PMPosted by FupDup
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If anything Blizzard has contradictory logic when it comes to new Hog and new D.Va.

New Hog is closer to being a tank than before (not a Rein substitute of course) and less of a DPS.

New D.Va is much closer to being a DPS with only a little bit of tank left in her.

I personally have the opinion that we didn't need more DPS heroes at this time. On the other hand there is a shortage of tanks...


That's exactly my point. It's annoying to see such lapses in logic. :/ D.Va was fine where she was IMHO; sure, defense matrix was a little annoying to deal with, but it wasn't unbalanced.
she didnt need the rocket burst damage

she needed to be personally tankier for losing out on DM

i was fine with the DM nerf. spot removal and flick dm to eat ultis is still possible.

she has no staying power.

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