Mercy is an actual must-pick, and Bastion is so bad its sad.

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I don't know why they decided to work on the most picked hero in the game and not change anything in terms of how strong she is, and leave Bastion and other heroes on 0.66% or less pick rate across all ranks?
I win a lot of matches with Bastion.
Bastion is OK.

I just met a Bastion main with 700 hours on him yesterday. He ripped the enemy team a new rear entry throughout all the points.

Bastion is like torb, got to keep repositioning, but he is strong.
They managed to rework bastion and made him worse at the end, that is the overwatch balance team for you
10/15/2017 12:08 PMPosted by Astrata
Bastion is OK.

I just met a Bastion main with 700 hours on him yesterday. He ripped the enemy team a new rear entry throughout all the points.

Bastion is like torb, got to keep repositioning, but he is strong.
Then why is he picked 8 times less than Genji for example?
What? Since D.va rework, Bastion is back by all means.
I had few games with escort the payload Bastion, what ends with wins.
Pros also been using him in recent matches.
10/15/2017 12:16 PMPosted by Zen
What? Since D.va rework, Bastion is back by all means.
I had few games with escort the payload Bastion, what ends with wins.
Pros also been using him in recent matches.

In 1 match, that don t means he s good
Bastion isn't bad. His recon mode is basically equivalent to Soldier 76 without the helix rocket (the guns are very similar; both can self heal but Bastion can do it on the move while Soldier can shoot while healing and heal others; Bastion has a much larger hitbox but also has an extra 100 armor). And Bastion's sentry mode can bust down shields and tanks quickly.

I think a mistake people make with Bastion is to think he should usually be in sentry mode. That used to be true, but I don't think it's the case anymore. He should be in recon mode and only go into sentry mode when a specific situation calls for it. If you play him like that, I actually think he's perfectly viable.
10/15/2017 12:15 PMPosted by Zaydar
10/15/2017 12:08 PMPosted by Astrata
Bastion is OK.

I just met a Bastion main with 700 hours on him yesterday. He ripped the enemy team a new rear entry throughout all the points.

Bastion is like torb, got to keep repositioning, but he is strong.
Then why is he picked 8 times less than Genji for example?

Perception of weakness. The general commonity of OW tells anyone who plays Bastion that they're throwing if they pick him and they'll report them if they pick him, regardless of the map and whether it be attack or defense. They say the same to torbs, symms, etc.

I recall reading that people thought Genji was weak until people started getting used an effective play style on him, which they then showed to the masses. Genji has been popular ever since.

Some color blind guy took him into GM no problem as his main, in almost all of his comp games.

Once the community drops its perception that he's useless and starts trying to play him. Then his pick rate will increase. But as it is, there's this meme that Symms/Torbs/Bastions can't be used on attack and that in general the community thinks you're throwing if you pick any of those heroes.

Until that misperception/meme goes away, his pick rate will be low.

TL;DR; The reason some hero pick rates are low is because of the community, not because of the hero state.
10/15/2017 12:21 PMPosted by Astrata
Once the community drops its perception that he's useless and starts trying to play him.


It's not that Bastion is useless, it's that he is pathetic compared to many other picks. Bastion can deal damage, but enemies will just farm Bastion when given the opportunity.
I won a 4200 SR game with solo heal mercy and a Bastion in route 66.

He's not bad it's just that team needs some coordination to work with him
10/15/2017 12:08 PMPosted by Millirious
They managed to rework bastion and made him worse at the end, that is the overwatch balance team for you

The community's incessent whining is what ruined Bastion in the end.
Mercy is fine, especially with a small nerf incoming (no rez reset on ult).

I dont personally like to play her, so I mostly heal with Ana, Zen or even Lucio and I dont loose more for that (even if the other team has a Mercy).
10/15/2017 12:34 PMPosted by Piltmannen
10/15/2017 12:21 PMPosted by Astrata
Once the community drops its perception that he's useless and starts trying to play him.


It's not that Bastion is useless, it's that he is pathetic compared to many other picks. Bastion can deal damage, but enemies will just farm Bastion when given the opportunity.

Yeap he isn't useless, he's OK. The community however thinks he is trash and persecutes anyone for even trying to play him. How do they expect anyone to get good at him when they want no one to play him? Then they complain about him being weak.

Before the current Bastion: The community was still (and still is) bashing Bastion anyone who tries to play bastion. His pick rate dropped as a result. The community then started asking for Bastion buffs. He got buffs. Then the community says he's OP. So Bastion gets nerfed. The community goes back to bashing people trying to play him and ask for buffs to him again. Trying to repeat that failed cycle.

A Bastion should always be moving and continually taking the enemy team by surprise, same for Torb and his turret placements because if he keeps going to the same place, he'll get farmed/dealt with easy.

When adjusting bastion stat/skill wise, the dev's need to work carefully, if they don't, he becomes a carry character. Like he did in his last buff that made him immune to most ults in the game until they nerfed that aspect.
Maybe you guys are right about Bastion, I will think about it more.

10/15/2017 12:40 PMPosted by MrWilpon
Mercy is fine, especially with a small nerf incoming (no rez reset on ult).
Is it actually coming? I thought someone said it was cancelled.
Bastion is in a similar spot than roadhog.

If you say they are fine, people flames.

If you say the need a buff, people flames.
10/15/2017 12:21 PMPosted by Astrata
<span class="truncated">...</span>Then why is he picked 8 times less than Genji for example?

Perception of weakness. The general commonity of OW tells anyone who plays Bastion that they're throwing if they pick him and they'll report them if they pick him, regardless of the map and whether it be attack or defense. They say the same to torbs, symms, etc.

I recall reading that people thought Genji was weak until people started getting used an effective play style on him, which they then showed to the masses. Genji has been popular ever since.

Some color blind guy took him into GM no problem as his main, in almost all of his comp games.

Once the community drops its perception that he's useless and starts trying to play him. Then his pick rate will increase. But as it is, there's this meme that Symms/Torbs/Bastions can't be used on attack and that in general the community thinks you're throwing if you pick any of those heroes.

Until that misperception/meme goes away, his pick rate will be low.

TL;DR; The reason some hero pick rates are low is because of the community, not because of the hero state.

Exactly! In my successeful matches with Bastion,
people was accusing him for throwing, at the beggining,
so i was needed to speak some words in his defence.
Update: Bastion is a lot better than I initially thought.
This is why I'm a little frustrated with blizzard.

They rework someone who only needed some tweaks.

What were they thinking.

There were so many heroes that needed that rework.

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