Everybody says Genji is overloaded

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Soldier has counters to his kit(his ult can be blocked or you can take cover from it) Genji has multiple get out of jail free cards, massive forgiving hitboxes, and an ultimate that's almost guaranteed to nuke your healers.
If his rocket reset every time he got an assist and he could sprint up walls, you'd have a point.
yeah, its the truth.

of course every hero is going to sound overloaded if you list literally everything they do.

for example, not including primary fire, a simple jump, and melee combos (everyone can do these).

soldier 76:

ranged attack
ranged attack has AOE
ranged attack has high damage
unlimited sprint/horizontal mobility passive
self healing
can heal allies
auto aim ultimate.
able to use helix rockets during ultimate
ultimate increases reload speed

mercy has an "overloaded" kit too:

secondary weapon
secondary weapon does 100 dps
auto aim primary fire
in addition to healing, she can also damage boost allies
dash to allies
dash has an extremely short CD
self healing passive 1
gliding passive 2
can revive a person from 0 to 100% health.
ultimate enhances all of these abilities
ultimate lasts for 20 seconds
ultimate gives mercy free flight

even doomfist has an "overloaded" kit:

all abilities provide vertical and horizontal mobility+damage
one ability has high damage, capable of OHK
RP can knock back enemies even if it doesn't OHK
two abilities have aoe
one ability can force enemies toward doomfist
all abilities have extremely short CDs
all abilities increase max health when landed
medium health
maximum health is 400 with max shields

but even with abilities like Rocket Punch, Two mines, unlimited horizontal mobility passives, horizontal mobility with short CDs, and flight, people still have a problem with genji's kit on almost every single level.

genji is not that bad. his abilities are fairly weak by themselves; swift strike only does 50 damage, double jump is only good if the enemy can't aim, and deflect is only good if the enemy does not have trigger discipline.
10/28/2017 07:45 AMPosted by Zorek104
Soldier dont have helix rocket resets and one ultimate that cant be blocked by position or shields

Lets compare ultimates

S76:
- Any range (not infinite obviously)
- Auto Aim
- 0.75 Reload time
- Refills Ammo
- 6 Second Duration
-19 damage per bullet
- 25 ammo
- 9 damage per second
- Maximum 171 damage per second
- Maximum 475 damage per clip
- Maximum 1,026 damage per Ultimate
- Affected by barriers

Genji:
- Maximum 5m
- Around 180 degree effective range
- 1.166~ swings per second
- 5-6 (or 7 I don't remember) swings per Ultimate
- 6 Second Duration
- 120 damage per swing
- Maximum 120 damage per second
- Maximum 720 damage per Ultimate
- Don't get effected by barriers

I'm using science here to prove that they both are great ultimates and have their good places. Genji's Ultimate are better in Close range therefore, unaffected by barriers. 76's ultimate is better in any ranges and doesn't require aim but affects by barriers.
10/28/2017 08:22 AMPosted by Tucci
If his rocket reset every time he got an assist and he could sprint up walls, you'd have a point.

Remember how sprint doesn't have any cooldown time? And how Helix Rocket does 2.4x more damage than Swift Strike?
10/28/2017 07:03 AMPosted by Kyaw
That's because Soldier doesn't have 2 passives, an ability that resets, and one that does 2 things which is one of the best abilities


lol this and hes double the size of genji and cant double jump and climb, and dash straight past you instantly lol
10/28/2017 08:59 AMPosted by OldRin
10/28/2017 07:03 AMPosted by Kyaw
That's because Soldier doesn't have 2 passives, an ability that resets, and one that does 2 things which is one of the best abilities


lol this and hes double the size of genji and cant double jump and climb, and dash straight past you instantly lol

Oh i'm sorry hes not a canidate for being a ninja because he didn't almost get killed by his brother (does he even have one?)
10/28/2017 07:05 AMPosted by Epicomanage
Soldier does have a well rounded kit but it isn't overtuned. If he did a mistake he will be killed because it was his fault.


Whoah. What? The fact that this got upvoted shows how clueless this community is.

Let me feed you a truth here: Genji is going to be punished for a mistake FAR MORE than Soldier is.

Genji missuse any of his cooldowns and he's dead. Period. Soldier's sprint is infinite. He can always reposition no matter how deep he goes, and sprint+movement spam actually makes him extremely hard to hit, so it doubles as a survival move.

Soldier being so hard to punish because he can go anywhere he wants with sprint is part of why he's so extremely strong.

God, this forum would invent anything to make Genji seem overpowered.

You go and explain to me why Soldier is picked FAR more in tournaments than Genji? Genji is still a great pick, don't get me wrong. But Soldier is extremely solid.

Stop !@#$ing exaggerating everything about Genji.
Genji has always had this issue, even going back to the conceptual stages.

Remember how Genji and Hanzo were supposed to be the same character, with both kits at once, but were eventually split into two siblings because even the testing team which gave us original Ironclad Bastion came to realize that was far too much?

Out of that separation Hanzo got the arrows. And Genji got, well, everything else.

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