Please investigate SR gain/loss for Mercy

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I am losing so much more SR for losses than for wins, and it is making it SO HARD to climb. I honestly do not think I'm underperforming. Not that medals really mean anything, but I've gotten a medal the last 40ish games in a row. As you can see below, I'm winning more than losing, but I can't climb because the SR losses are brutal. Past 2 days with exception of 2-3 games:

+20
+22
+26
-26
+24
-26
+26
-27
+21
-26
-28
-24
+26
+19
+22
+23
-25
+19
+22
+25
+22
+22
+25
-35
+28
-25
+22
+19
-25
-30
+25
+25
+23
+25
-30
-27
-27
+19
-32
+17
+18
-32
+17

Please investigate.

Edit 11/13/17: I grinded from 3090 to 3504 - it took so many more wins than losses to get back to masters though.
I also get this issue since the start of season 7. I get massive negative SR for a loss but not much for a win. Posted about it here https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20759331603#detail
11/11/2017 08:57 PMPosted by Accelerant
I also get this issue since the start of season 7. I get massive negative SR for a loss but not much for a win. Posted about it here https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20759331603#detail


Your issue is with Zen, correct?

Support life is hard right now
11/11/2017 09:13 PMPosted by Hegemoness
Your issue is with Zen, correct?

Support life is hard right now
Unfortunately it seems so :/
11/11/2017 09:13 PMPosted by Hegemoness
11/11/2017 08:57 PMPosted by Accelerant
I also get this issue since the start of season 7. I get massive negative SR for a loss but not much for a win. Posted about it here https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20759331603#detail


Your issue is with Zen, correct?

Support life is hard right now
no its with mercy only mercy lucio is fine and zen is fine just !@#$ing mercy[i][/i]
Yeah I played a crappy Lucio today and got 29 SR for the win. I haven't gotten that much SR for a win with Mercy all season.
This is so true, i've been gaining like between 10 and 20 per win but losing between 30 and 40 per lose... Yesterday i was playing with my dps friend, i was ranked like 80 points above him, we won more than we lost, he finished more than a hundred of point above me. And i perfomed good in general, according to my stats. I cant climb like this.
11/13/2017 06:02 AMPosted by smsx42
This is so true, i've been gaining like between 10 and 20 per win but losing between 30 and 40 per lose... Yesterday i was playing with my dps friend, i was ranked like 80 points above him, we won more than we lost, he finished more than a hundred of point above me. And i perfomed good in general, according to my stats. I cant climb like this.


Its crazy because I see some Mercys climbing, but they are all higher SR where maybe it's more stable. I am still losing more SR than I'm gaining, and I know I'm not underperforming. It is very hard to get on fire though.
11/12/2017 06:40 PMPosted by BakaǷ
no its with mercy only mercy lucio is fine and zen is fine just !@#$ing mercy[i][/i]
Care to back that up? Since the start of season 7, I've had a good win rate, often got a decent medal haul, and yet often got only around 15 for a win and over -25 for a loss. Other Zen mains have said the same thing to me. You sound like the people in the other thread saying it's "only flex players" who get cheated by the SR system. I will say the one time I got a fairly decent SR for a win was when I flexed from Zen to Winston half way through the match, even though I don't think I played a very good Winston.
Mercy is being nerfed hard in the PTR, I wonder if that has any correlation?
11/13/2017 11:24 AMPosted by EpicGG
Mercy is being nerfed hard in the PTR, I wonder if that has any correlation?


Well they already nerfed her reses so that would impact it. It's going to be even worse after the next nerf.
Also, chances are is your winning games the predict as being an "easy" match but not winning the ones they predict as being "difficult" which leads to stagnant positions on the leaderboard despite having massive skill advantage over the majority of players at the similar rank. All due to the matchmaker pairing you with people it has identified as being incapable. Either that or you are being carried, but thats so rare these days unless you get a magically boosted SR for being in close proximity to the dedicated server locations and playing at a latency that beats %90 of the player base.

Blizzard/Activision/Demonware is also enforcing behavioural manipulation techniques designed into the game by running an ELO ranking formula that is known to be faulty and outdated but is preferable for enforcing a "planned" or even "scheduled" experience for the average user who can't compete with players with regionalized advantage.

My two cents, Blizzard is run by some disgusting people propped up by a talented and under appreciated dev team that is forced to polish this shiny, shallow facade covering up the sheer BS psychologically founded mechanisms of predatory addiction akin to casinos, drug dealers and bad carnival games.

Oh and OWL is a ponzi scheme, Activision routinely evades taxes alongside other tech industry giants and frequently stifles creative innovation in the games industry.

;)
11/13/2017 11:35 AMPosted by Hegemoness
11/13/2017 11:24 AMPosted by EpicGG
Mercy is being nerfed hard in the PTR, I wonder if that has any correlation?


Well they already nerfed her reses so that would impact it. It's going to be even worse after the next nerf.


No I mean I wonder if they just value mercy players victory SR as less because the slow on her rez is such a drastic nerf and has yet to be implemented in game. So Mercy would be considered over-powered given the recent pickrate data and therefor this is a temporary way to absolve the imbalance without any forward facing announcement that would otherwise require a patch release.

Makes sense to me, Mercy is garbage anyways.
I'm tired of playing her, but no one else will, so I get screwed either way. Where are all these Mercy players? They are rarely ever in my matches.

I agree with the addiction/casino comment 100%.
I get the feeling mods just go around disliking posts that are critical of blizzards actions and censoring anything that just so happens to cross their code of conduct. As if we aren't entitled to an opinion formed by the actions and history of this company and it's representatives.

If they were transparent enough to address these issues, even if only to offer an explanation, I would have more respect then I do for the cowards that operate under this brand. They are responsible for the community and gameplay experience of Overwatch and yet they promote outright lies and feign ignorance when confronted with evidence. Time and time again.
I've noticed lower SR gains when playing mercy too over S6 & S7. I usually flex pick so nowadays that means solo healing as mercy. I get 20-22 for wins and 25-30 for losses. Even when solo healing and playing well, sometimes with over 20k healing and 20 resurrects, I can still lose 30 sr. Most I have won with her is probably 25 SR over the past two seasons, while the rare occasions I get to play tank or dps, I get 25 sr minimum for a win it seems.
Probably it's because her popularity has highly increased (near 100% pick), so her stats have highly improved also. I don't think it's a bug.
11/11/2017 07:38 PMPosted by Hegemoness
I am losing so much more SR for losses than for wins, and it is making it SO HARD to climb. I honestly do not think I'm underperforming. Not that medals really mean anything, but I've gotten a medal the last 40ish games in a row. As you can see below, I'm winning more than losing, but I can't climb because the SR losses are brutal. Past 2 days with exception of 2-3 games:


Good job on taking enough data to have a statistically significant result.

Average gain on win = 22.30 +/- .58
Average loss on defeat = 27.81 +/- .78
Error is calculated by standard deviation of values divided by square root of number of values.

Significance of result: (27.81 - 22.30)/sqrt(.58*.58+.78*78) = 5.7 sigma. Highly significant.

Edit: As data keeps rolling in, I've rejected the possibility below. Mercy SR gains are definitely broken. AGAIN! This happens EVERY time Mercy gets changed. It is high time that Blizzard disables performance modifiers for recently changed heroes or for well established heroes or entirely.

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It may indeed be a bug with the performance algorithms as you say. Another possibility that must be considered is that your rank is on the high side. If you play on an unpopular platform / region, the game may have a hard time finding fair matches for you. If you are expected to win most of your games, you will not be given as many points on wins as you lose on losses. To rule this out, I suggest that for your next block of data that you write down the average SR of each team from the match start screen. This can be used to test if there is a systematic bias in your favor (in terms of winning).
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I'm bumping this again because I'm literally in tears frustrated after playing tonight. I am still losing 30+SR for every loss, and only gain 20 or so for each win, and I am trying SO HARD. I won 8 games tonight, lost 6. I gained 4 SR.

Does this look/sound fun to you, Blizzard?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/203098479

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/203098800
Holy jebus I finally got back to masters, but this SR nonsense did not make it easy. I tracked gains and losses for the past 2 days:

-32
+20
+20
+20
+20
-28
-23
+26
+20
-28
+21
+23
-24
-31
+21
+16
-27 (team sr 3604 enemy 3653)
+21 (team SR 3523 enemy 3588)
-31 (team SR 3607 enemy 3543)
+23 (team SR 3560 enemy 3571)
+23 (team SR 3576 enemy 3585)
+18
+25

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