Belgium says lootboxes ARE gambling

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11/21/2017 03:17 PMPosted by MetaVolca
11/21/2017 03:05 PMPosted by Buttercult
I wonder if they consider baseball cards, or magic the gathering cards, or things like that gambling.

Here is what the minister of justice said about lootboxes

"Mixing gambling and gaming, especially at a young age, is dangerous for the mental health of the child."
So it's very clearly only a problem in video games.


And now ask that scrub how will young childs buy lootboxes? Will they steal the credit card from their mom and dad? Its just silly. Free ones cant count, that would be more then silly, but sure lets force Blizzard to make skins cost money I love to see the event skins; 9.99€ each.
11/21/2017 03:05 PMPosted by Buttercult
I wonder if they consider baseball cards, or magic the gathering cards, or things like that gambling.


At this point we're having senior politicians discussing ethical business practices in videogames without really understanding it, fun.
11/21/2017 03:52 PMPosted by Bloggerman
Couldn't Blizzard do the same thing as what they did in China?

Add currency with it and say that you have bought 5 coins and received lootboxes as extras?


Y thats a great one, but I would suggest they make it 1 credit, just as a slap in their faces.
11/21/2017 04:07 PMPosted by DinozaDude
11/21/2017 03:17 PMPosted by MetaVolca
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Here is what the minister of justice said about lootboxes

"Mixing gambling and gaming, especially at a young age, is dangerous for the mental health of the child."
So it's very clearly only a problem in video games.


And now ask that scrub how will young childs buy lootboxes? Will they steal the credit card from their mom and dad? Its just silly. Free ones cant count, that would be more then silly, but sure lets force Blizzard to make skins cost money I love to see the event skins; 9.99€ each.
Usually the problem is that the parents just buy the kid the lootboxes or whatever it is they want to keep them quiet.

It's like when a kid turns 16 and their first car. If you go out and buy them a fancy car, it's very likely they're going to wreck it. But if you make them get a part time job and buy their own car, they'll appreciate the value of earning money and they are less likely to wreck their car as they don't want to have to save up for another one all over again.
How it can be gambling if here is no material profit? The point of gambling is you make a bet to get a chance to win smth material, smth convertible in money. If these lootboxes are gambling, than buying coffee is gambling too cuz you never know for sure is it gonna be coffee inside of a cup or waiter's urine.
Kinder Surprise eggs are basically gambling by this logic.
11/21/2017 03:39 PMPosted by TheReinhardt
11/21/2017 03:38 PMPosted by NooneSpecial
Same thing will happen there as in China and South Korea: Loot boxes will no longer be purchasable.
Instead, you will be able to purchase credits directly... that come with bonus loot boxes.

They can't have it removed from the core game because there is no monitary cost to the player. It's no different to RNG item drops in any video game.
just let people earn credits and give the ability to directly purchase stuff


Both of those options exist already. You earn credits from direct drops and duplicats within loot boxes, which you get every time you level as well as bonus ones from winning from the Arcade, and you can use those credits to directly purchase specific items that you may not have gotten in the loot box.
Remember that Overwatch originally didn't have the option to purchase items as part of it's first Summer Games, and they adjusted it on their own accord due to player feedback. No one made them change it, they did it because they don't want players to feel forced into loot boxes.

EDIT: someone seems to disagree with this. Please explain what exactly I said was wrong.
You earn credits in loot boxes. You can use those credits to purchase items directly. Both things that he asked for are already implimented.
11/21/2017 04:48 PMPosted by Sol
How it can be gambling if here is no material profit? The point of gambling is you make a bet to get a chance to win smth material, smth convertible in money. If these lootboxes are gambling, than buying coffee is gambling too cuz you never know for sure is it gonna be coffee inside of a cup or waiter's urine.


Incorrect.

Gambling - take risky action in the hope of a desired result.

Gambling is simply spending currency on a non-guaranteed chance at a item. Usually one that appears valuable while the gamble is less than it would cost to buy outright.

11/21/2017 04:52 PMPosted by chrysillis
Kinder Surprise eggs are basically gambling by this logic.


Yeah it is. Spending money to obtain an item with no guarantee of success on anything is technically gambling. Hell going to college could be considered a gamble.
11/21/2017 07:02 PMPosted by Vánagandr
11/21/2017 04:48 PMPosted by Sol
How it can be gambling if here is no material profit? The point of gambling is you make a bet to get a chance to win smth material, smth convertible in money. If these lootboxes are gambling, than buying coffee is gambling too cuz you never know for sure is it gonna be coffee inside of a cup or waiter's urine.


Incorrect.

Gambling - take risky action in the hope of a desired result.

Gambling is simply spending currency on a non-guaranteed chance at a item. Usually one that appears valuable while the gamble is less than it would cost to buy outright.

11/21/2017 04:52 PMPosted by chrysillis
Kinder Surprise eggs are basically gambling by this logic.


Yeah it is. Spending money to obtain an item with no guarantee of success on anything is technically gambling. Hell going to college could be considered a gamble.


Hence why so many of us are quick to correct people who accuse lootboxes of being akin to the gambling you find in casinos. Those people are abusing this general definition of gambling, hoping that it lends credence to their argument.
11/21/2017 03:07 PMPosted by Tsukune713
If they do anything in Belgium it isn't gonna change anything for anyone except there


Belgium is the headquarters of the EU. They are probably ruling on it on behalf of the EU.

And yes, lootboxes are obviously gambling. You are spending money to have an algorithm randomly reward you.

It is morally even worse than regular gambling because you lose real money but cannot actually gain anything of value.

If you could sell the skins and things it would be the equivalent of regular gambling, but as it is now, it is even more predatory and abusive of gambling addicts than traditional gambling.
11/21/2017 04:01 PMPosted by Zefiris
11/21/2017 03:56 PMPosted by Ara
I could get behind being able to gift or trade skins though.
That is a can of worms that we might not want to open. People would take advantage of it and use it to sell skins and such for irl money by third party methods. Plus, it would encourage people to setup skin farming accounts where they get every skin of a type of quality except for the one they're going for in order to keep getting that particular skin in order to sell. Not to mention people would want to target and compromise accounts in order to steal said skins in order to sell.

The potential for abuse is there.
Gifting skins to people who don't have them, or trading skins to another person for a skin they have extras of that you want, Selling is different from gifting or trading. Selling would get bad, quickly.

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