US lawmaker set to end lootbox predators

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A US lawmaker is set to end predatory lootbox practices from companies like EA and Activision.

http://www.pcgamer.com/us-lawmaker-who-called-out-star-wars-battlefront-2-lays-out-plans-for-anti-loot-box-law/

Unlike carnival games, collecting cards, or similar purchases of chance, videogames require active, lengthy participation during which consumers are exposed to psychological manipulation techniques which can result in real addiction and harm.

The scale and ease of access to these games make addressing these concerns critical. Casinos have long been criticized for building a business model around the exploitation of psychological vulnerabilities in many people.

These business models are now being replicated by the online gaming industry to do the same, right on the phones and in the homes of countless families around the country.

Game developers in the gaming industry are represented by their trade group, the Entertainment Software Association (ESA).

Unsurprisingly, the ESA and ESRB have taken a position defending the lucrative revenue streams generated by these predatory mechanisms, claiming that predatory loot boxes do not fall under the current definition of gambling.
Either no laws or other tangible effect will come of this, or we'll get some mandatory disclosure like China got; forcing game companies to tell people what the drop rate of items within boxes are, and warnings against spending too much on boxes.
Good cause honestly, this is getting out of hand.

Now they need to make law against the FCC trying to end NN for their own gains.
Meh. As much as I do hate lootboxes, I'd end up siding with the game companies before the lawyer.

I want Lootboxes to go away, but not by the legal reasoning being given. I want them gone because we as gamers chose not to buy into them anymore and they simply weren't worth doing versus the negative publicity taken by using it. If instead they're removed because the "law" demands it I'll just be disappointed: not only that.. but odds are they'll just work around it anyway as other's have said, it's not hard to change up the wording of a lootcrate to make the aim of it the currency in the crate your promised but you (so happen) to get 4 RNG items for every lootcrate, too (or) get a seperate RNG lootbox for free with every x amount of purchases of currency. Your not buying the rng, your buying the currency! Boom, legality sidestepped.

So end of the day... TLDR... meh.
Overwatch is purely cosmetic so idk if it will apply.
This is pretty funny considering Activision was actually granted a patent for this psychological manipulation they're apparently trying to prevent.
I do hope lootboxes go away to some extent as they have been corrupting game experience since their inception. While Overwatch may not be one of the games you can point to and say, hey this is scummy, I object to lootboxes on principle. Either charge us a clear price for what we want or get out. That isn't to say you can't have loot boxes giving random things on the side, because people do enjoy little surprise packs. They just shouldn't be the only method you use to sell things.
I personally don't see issues with overwatch's lootbox system (because as another user said, it's purely cosmetic), but if anything comes of this it'll be similar to China's solution-- which I don't mind either.

either way I'm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12/06/2017 05:47 AMPosted by mirvine
Overwatch is purely cosmetic so idk if it will apply.


At the end of the day I doubt lawmakers will care about the distinctions between cosmetics and pay to win.

Basically, something that is seen as valuable is being rewarded at random.
12/06/2017 05:46 AMPosted by Rakan
Meh. As much as I do hate lootboxes, I'd end up siding with the game companies before the lawyer.

I want Lootboxes to go away, but not by the legal reasoning being given. I want them gone because we as gamers chose not to buy into them anymore and they simply weren't worth doing versus the negative publicity taken by using it. If instead they're removed because the "law" demands it I'll just be disappointed: not only that.. but odds are they'll just work around it anyway as other's have said, it's not hard to change up the wording of a lootcrate to make the aim of it the currency in the crate your promised but you (so happen) to get 4 RNG items for every lootcrate, too (or) get a seperate RNG lootbox for free with every x amount of purchases of currency. Your not buying the rng, your buying the currency! Boom, legality sidestepped.

So end of the day... TLDR... meh.
that new digital currency created is still within the ecosystem of the lootbox so it would not be sidestepped by legality. It you remember maple story and the gachapon days you could see how far it down the hole these gaming companies want to take kids. That gachapon stuff for in game progression makes kids spend thousands of dollars they shouldnt have gambling for non tangible items. The people with the least solid concept of value should not be preyed upon like that
I hope all lootboxes disappear forever
Golden guns should be unlocked through gun missions.

Legendary skins should be unlocked through completing certain missions/achievements. Same for other items.

Like the good ol' days.

#MakeGamingGreatAgain
People who support the cancer microtransactions and anything unlockable through coins/credit cards are born from the 2000s.

Fact.
12/06/2017 07:02 AMPosted by noobz
Golden guns should be unlocked through gun missions.

Legendary skins should be unlocked through completing certain missions/achievements. Same for other items.

Like the good ol' days.

#MakeGamingGreatAgain

So make it tedious to earn things that you probably don't even want like in destiny
I'd rather have the free market handle things like that rather than the government
12/06/2017 05:59 AMPosted by Andriot
12/06/2017 05:47 AMPosted by mirvine
Overwatch is purely cosmetic so idk if it will apply.


At the end of the day I doubt lawmakers will care about the distinctions between cosmetics and pay to win.

Basically, something that is seen as valuable is being rewarded at random.
you forget that with Overwatch, you are guaranteed to receive everything after a certain amount of time, for free, because you don't get duplicates until you have all of one category.

Whether you like lootboxes or not, I don't think overwatch is specifically at fault for this reason. After you get all whites and blues, each lootbox essentially becomes a currency box instead anyway, with a chance for rare and legendary drops.
12/06/2017 05:47 AMPosted by mirvine
Overwatch is purely cosmetic so idk if it will apply.
overwatch isn’t the only game with boxes
I am praying that they judge it to be gambling and require credit card authentication to prove an age over 21 for all players.

I don’t think any of us adults can imagine how great this game would be without being forced to play with children.
Sadly gamers are known to be wishy-washy when it comes to boycotting games that use shady practices. If we don't protect ourselves as we should then the government will do it for us but in a very poor way like everything else.
12/06/2017 07:04 AMPosted by iSuckBigTime
People who support the cancer microtransactions and anything unlockable through coins/credit cards are born from the 2000s.

Fact.
1990, thanks. I see the appeal of the current cosmetic-only system from both sides of the alley. I prefer the current system over any of the other methods they could choose for making long term money.

I want to still play this game in 2 years, thanks.

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