"It's Just Cosmetics..."

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I'm wearing all the original skins.
Go watch Jim Sterling's video that breaks down exactly why the whole 'It's just cosmetic' argument is fallacious and stupid.
Do I want it? Yes.

Is it necessary? No.

Be grateful Overwatch isn't like Star Wars Battlefront, where you had to buy expansions to get certain weapons. In Overwatch, you can get almosteverything for free, minus the League and Blizzcon skins. And there aren't purchasable guns that affect how the game plays.
I'm not passing judgement until we know how much or how quickly one can earn these tokens. The fact that the entire thing was launched without this option is already suspicious. I'm not optimistic but there's a chance, eh?

I didn't pay 50$ to end up having to deal with slightly less sleazy free2play shenanigans. Stop defending this nonsense.
01/11/2018 09:19 AMPosted by Fruitslayer
I'm not passing judgement until we know how much or how quickly one can earn these tokens. The fact that the entire thing was launched without this option is already suspicious. I'm not optimistic but there's a chance, eh?

I didn't pay 50$ to end up having to deal with slightly less sleazy free2play shenanigans. Stop defending this nonsense.
Except that the League skins affect nothing about the core game.

That's like complaining you can't get the Widowmaker Noire skin bc you didn't pre-order the game. This complaint only makes sense if the Noire skin gives Widowmaker special abilities, and it does not.
don't care if it doesn't affect gameplay
01/11/2018 09:17 AMPosted by BauerPower24
Do I want it? Yes.

Is it necessary? No.

Be grateful Overwatch isn't like Star Wars Battlefront, where you had to buy expansions to get certain weapons. In Overwatch, you can get almosteverything for free, minus the League and Blizzcon skins. And there aren't purchasable guns that affect how the game plays.
so i should be greatful i can't get any guaranteed value out of my game that doesn't even have a single player campaign? right, ok.
Cosmetics have a psychological effect on people due to communities making their own system of "this cosmetic looks better so it's obviously worth more and players who have it are better than others because they can get this cosmetic item".

Look at TF2. Hats and all. Crates have a specific drop rate percentage value I think, so some items are actually worth more due to supply and demand, but then if it looks good, demand goes up even higher. Thankfully we don't have a trade system in Overwatch.

I'm also mostly talking about golden guns in this game, too, not talking about the overpriced OWL skins.
01/11/2018 09:25 AMPosted by BauerPower24
01/11/2018 09:19 AMPosted by Fruitslayer
I'm not passing judgement until we know how much or how quickly one can earn these tokens. The fact that the entire thing was launched without this option is already suspicious. I'm not optimistic but there's a chance, eh?

I didn't pay 50$ to end up having to deal with slightly less sleazy free2play shenanigans. Stop defending this nonsense.
Except that the League skins affect nothing about the core game.

That's like complaining you can't get the Widowmaker Noire skin bc you didn't pre-order the game. This complaint only makes sense if the Noire skin gives Widowmaker special abilities, and it does not.


Cosmetics are part of the core game. They weren't added post-launch. You know, i'm not the biggest fan of playing dress-up and would honestly prefer straight-up expansions. But cut the crap and stop pretending like cosmetics don't affect the gaming experience. They definitely do or else people wouldn't pay money for them.

They're 5$ recolors. How dare some players demand to be able to buy skins at reasonable prices, right? Unbelievable.

By the way, i have the Noire skin and it should be added to the legendaries at this point in time. Pre-order bonuses are BS.
Yes, they're just cosmetics, but they're also the incentive to play the game. Before you say anything, cosmetics are the only incentive that the game itself gives you; wanting to have fun with your friends or wanting to scale the ranks of comp are self imposed incentives. There's only one type of award in Overwatch, and they're cosmetic items, even in comp. Don't believe me? Well let's run it down then.

In QP, win or lose, you gradually level up, and when you level up you earn a loot box, and in that loot box, we all know, are cosmetic items.

In the Arcade, regardless of which mode you choose, by winning at least 9 times every week, you're awarded with 3 loot boxes, and during those games you're trying to win, you gain XP to level up, earning you more loot boxes.

And finally, comp. You play comp and you earn more XP than QP or Arcade, allowing you to level up faster, earning you loot boxes. But that's not the only thing it does cosmetic wise. Whenever you win a match in comp, you gain CP, and once you've earned enough CP you can buy a golden gun, which is just another cosmetic item. At the end of the season, you earn CP for a golden gun based on how you did, plus you get two more cosmetic items, a spray and a portrait. And what happens when you reach Top 500? You get another cosmetic item, another portrait.

Regardless of your own personal reasons for playing, the game itself only incentivizes you with cosmetic items, dangling those loot boxes or golden weapons in front of your face so that you can keep moving.

There's even a science behind it, especially for loot boxes. Casinos use this same science on their customers. I'd recommend watching Matpat's video on the subject, he explains it better than I ever could.
01/11/2018 10:22 AMPosted by kosaba11
Yes, they're just cosmetics, but they're also the incentive to play the game. Before you say anything, cosmetics are the only incentive that the game itself gives you; wanting to have fun with your friends or wanting to scale the ranks of comp are self imposed incentives. There's only one type of award in Overwatch, and they're cosmetic items, even in comp. Don't believe me? Well let's run it down then.

In QP, win or lose, you gradually level up, and when you level up you earn a loot box, and in that loot box, we all know, are cosmetic items.

In the Arcade, regardless of which mode you choose, by winning at least 9 times every week, you're awarded with 3 loot boxes, and during those games you're trying to win, you gain XP to level up, earning you more loot boxes.

And finally, comp. You play comp and you earn more XP than QP or Arcade, allowing you to level up faster, earning you loot boxes. But that's not the only thing it does cosmetic wise. Whenever you win a match in comp, you gain CP, and once you're earned enough CP you can buy a golden gun, which is just another cosmetic item. At the end of the season, you earn CP for a golden gun based on how you did, plus you get two more cosmetic items, a spray and a portrait. And what happens when you reach Top 500? You get another cosmetic item, another portrait.

Regardless of your own personal reasons for playing, the game itself only incentivizes you with cosmetic items, dangling those loot boxes or golden weapons in front of your face so that you can keep moving.

There's even a science behind it, especially for loot boxes. Casinos use this same science on their customers. I'd recommend watching Matpat's video on the subject, he explains it better than I ever could.
This.

Everyone should be forced to read this until they can recite it from memory, and saying 'its just cosmetic' should be punishable by flaying.
"It's optional" is never a justification for high prices. I don't get why that's a hard concept for people to understand.

Popcorn is optional and "isn't part of the movie", that doesn't make $25 a reasonable price for a bag of it.

"It's only cosmetic" is especially stupid. If being cosmetic implies something is insignificant then isn't that reason for it to have LESS value?

You guys are obsessed with defending corporations so much you don't even stop and actually think for a minute about what you're saying. I'll never understand the mentality here. Why do you care so much about defending a group of people who don't know you, AREN'T your personal friends, don't have your best interests in mind, and only want to get as much money out of you as possible?
01/11/2018 10:38 AMPosted by datpotatoe
You guys are obsessed with defending corporations so much you don't even stop and actually think for a minute about what you're saying. I'll never understand the mentality here. Why do you care so much about defending a group of people who don't know you, AREN'T your personal friends, don't have your best interests in mind, and only want to get as much money out of you as possible?
This is what I find the most mind-boggling.

These systems have been put in place to actively manipulate people into spending their money, but when you point that out to anyone they instinctively defend it. Even more bafflingly, those same people will often attack and insult you for pointing it out! It's complete lunacy!
What's to discuss? You get cosmetics from loot boxes and it's up to you how you get those. End of discussion.
You already get 2 OWL skins for free.
Content is content, doesn't matter if it's game-changing or "JUST COSMETIC~~~~!!!111!!" Both cost dev resources; both effect your experience and enjoyment of the game. Obviously selling one is more egregious than the other, but well... there it is.

Thank GOD for Jim Sterling.
01/11/2018 11:14 AMPosted by Ultaholic
You already get 2 OWL skins for free.
how 2 get second free one?

ED: it was a question, jesus christ.
01/11/2018 11:22 AMPosted by goliathfasa
Thank GOD for Jim Sterling.
Anyone who says 'its just cosmetic' is a chungus.
It's a BS statement that tries to downplay cosmetics being in lootboxes/costing large sums of money under the assumptions that cosmetics don't matter to players (despite this assumption being proven false time after time after time).
Acceptance of such systems is one hell of a slippery slope, hell we've already seen the effects of the industry normalising what is essentially taking out stuff that should be in the game to be earned (like Halo Reach's cosmetic system) and charging us extra for it.
It still saddens me to this day that people will defend things like cosmetics tied to lootboxes so vehemently, because they're only doing it because they bought the BS pseudo-threat of "Well we neeeeed these systems to pay for servers and updates because making games is too expensive and haaaaard, if we don't have these systems then we'll simply have to charge for updates instead!" (despite EA and now Acti-Blizz's recent actions basically showing just what nonsense that excuse really is).
01/11/2018 09:17 AMPosted by Chublis
Go watch Jim Sterling's video that breaks down exactly why the whole 'It's just cosmetic' argument is fallacious and stupid.


The video was a 20 minute rant against the hidden costs of micro-transactions and why prestige skins give purchasers a psychological edge over default skins -- seriously?

I'm sorry, but I'm still having a difficult time fathoming how a Cote D'Azure wearing widow will aim better than a vanilla Widow skin.

EDIT: I accept the fact that the digital fashion prices are insane, but how does that impact actual OW performance game play? I am always impressed by POTG's showing any player decimating their opponents based on mad skillz regardless of what they are wearing. Feel free to downvote, but at least explain why you believe better fashion equals better game performance.

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