Why does it matter if Spitfire has Korean players?

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01/19/2018 11:40 PMPosted by Furaijin
01/19/2018 09:52 PMPosted by Cheesy
It wouldn’t hurt for there to be some rules around OWL nationality


Well actually it probably would hurt. Blizzard has tried region locking with sc2 and it did not go well to say the least.


Region locking is a different story. Teams from anywhere can play each other but they should have a minimum number of people from their country or city to stay eligible. I’m a huge soccer fan from Brazil and what makes everyone pissed is when teams start hiring large numbers of foreign players. Soccer clubs represent the cities local talent and normally have a minimum requirement of players they developed from their youth teams. If my team was all British or something it would make no sense.
01/20/2018 09:45 AMPosted by Cheesy
01/19/2018 11:40 PMPosted by Furaijin
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Well actually it probably would hurt. Blizzard has tried region locking with sc2 and it did not go well to say the least.


Region locking is a different story. Teams from anywhere can play each other but they should have a minimum number of people from their country or city to stay eligible. I’m a huge soccer fan from Brazil and what makes everyone pissed is when teams start hiring large numbers of foreign players. Soccer clubs represent the cities local talent and normally have a minimum requirement of players they developed from their youth teams. If my team was all British or something it would make no sense.


Yes, but mainstream entertainment hates representing any Native Briton (Briton is an ethnicity: English, Welsh, Cornish, Scottish, Yorkie, Northern Irish). I don't watch any sport for that specific reason. They do not represent me, my ancestry or my culture.

How many Briton runners where there at our latest sports tournaments?
Are they at least British citizens? I mean if they are South Korean nationals then it is pretty wrong tbh. If they are Londoners then fair enough! Or like football (soccer) they should have a limit on "foreign" players.

That is all.
"British" - means a resident of Britain, it doesn't mean that that person is our ethnicity or culture.

"Briton" - means a descendant of the Ancient Celtic Britons, who have lived off the land since the beginning of British (Albion) history.
01/20/2018 11:28 AMPosted by iamcemal
Are they at least British citizens? I mean if they are South Korean nationals then it is pretty wrong tbh. If they are Londoners then fair enough! Or like football (soccer) they should have a limit on "foreign" players.

That is all.


No they are Korean citizens. Currently living in California, USA.
[quote="207593189373"]Are they at least British citizens? I mean if they are South Korean nationals then it is pretty wrong tbh. If they are Londoners then fair enough! Or like football (soccer) they should have a limit on "foreign" players.

That is all.


Thats a bit !@#$ then.
Why nobody from Madrid plays for Real Madrid?
Why they have portuguese, brazilian and all the other nationalities?

But yeah I agree that maybe they need a rule that at least 1 or 2 players to be from the respective country . But then again most teams are from USA...
01/11/2018 03:32 PMPosted by TankHunter
What is the point of naming a team after a town when you have no one from there in the team?


Definitely seems weird.
I mean I don't care about the OWL teams at all, but I do agree it's weird af that the nationalities don't match up with the teams, I just assumed they would.......but at the end of the day it's not really a big deal, just weird.
01/14/2018 11:41 AMPosted by Rambles
d winning is not the only thing that matters - are business and community.


01/14/2018 11:41 AMPosted by Rambles
We can talk global sports and say that many teams feature players from outside their home towns.

We can talk race, and acknowledge there is a partial racist undertone to *some* of the criticism.

But the only things that matter - and winning is not the only thing that matters - are business and community.

The hope of the league is to draw a global audience into a spectacle they can relate to, identify with and feel ownership of. This way the millions being poured into marketing, internet lead generation, research and development and execution can actually turn into an audience and provide a return on investment.

This league will fail to generate a global audience. It will become a niche bubble, clubs will not get the local participants they need to become a commercial success and eventually this entire league will become a case study analysed by MBA and Sports Management students on how not to execute a league.

Because it comes down to this: Every single one of the successful sporting teams on the planet started by courting their local communities, building a support base that would rally behind them and boosting local talent.

None of them started as global, internationalised powerhouses filled with players that locals couldn't identify with.

Yes, Manchester United is full of internationals. But it can afford them thanks to its roots - generations of Mancunians who played in and around the team, manned fundraisers and supporters buses and brought their children to matches. It was organic, real, genuine - qualities that are infectious and that make fans from around the world want to be a part of it.

A fan in Bangkok or Beijing doesn't wear the jersey wanting to be Beckham - they put it on wanting to be a part of the global family that wins.

But if London wins, it will ring hollow. South Koreans from Seoul and Busan (the two cities where half the players are from) won't cheer. Nor will Londoners, who have seen a cherished historical symbol shamelessly borrowed by rank commercialism.

What OWL should've done is fostered the roots of a great league. What they've done instead is plant a tree that is all trunk, no substance. There will be no surprise when it collapses.


You're old... So am i this is why I know you're old! hehe... this is indeed the way things where done.... before we had stuff like ohhh I dunno the internet? Now a days things move a hell of a lot more quickly then; "we have time to build a local community". This isn't soccer, there is no location where people meet on a regular bases, you cant send your kid to overwatch practice, we do NOT have several generations of time to build up stuff even remotely similar to what you're talking about. Most video games don't last longer then a couple of years, either you invest fully to try and make it grow or you let it die. You might want to consider dropping your old fashioned mind set and get with the time.
There are so many things you're claiming which seem to be nothing other then; "I cant cheer for my own team now I don't like this".

You're comparing apples to oranges honestly.
01/11/2018 03:34 PMPosted by greyleopardd
01/11/2018 03:32 PMPosted by TankHunter
What is the point of naming a team after a town when you have no one from there in the team?


That's where the organization that owns them, Cloud 9 is from

Do you not understand how sports work at all?

Chelsea is a London-based team in the premier league, yet they have like 2 British players on their active roster. Should they suddenly change their name?


Cloud 9 is not from London, it's an American organisation based in Los Angeles.
So from reading this thread, Koreans are good in Esports is the stereotypical equivalent of Black guys are good basketball.
London Spitfire fan here as they are the only UK team. I just want to see the best play possible. Where the players are from has absolutely no bearing for me. The South Koreans are the best players in the world, why would a franchise not pick up players from there?
Because people have problems with Koreans being better in Gaming than them.

If London gamers would be as good as Koreans they could actually go and be part of the OWL. But they are not, these Koreans are.
Reminds me of Baseketball:
Soon it was commonplace for entire teams to change cities in search of greater profits. The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles where there are no lakes. The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil. The Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music. The Raiders moved from Oakland to LA back to Oakland. No-one in LA seemed to notice.

For a London team to be full of people that have never even been to London... well it's lame af.
Let's have North Koreans play for the American team in the Olympics !
If it was team GB vs say.. team India, I'd like to see british people versus Indian people, with the way UK is at the minute, theres alot of people who were born and raised here over the last 100 years that may have different cultures but if they were born here, raised here.. they're just as british as I am, so you can hold off your bigot views..

But this isnt the point, I love football, I love Leicester, Leicester have alot of players that are from different countries, they all play for a city. Why the hell should esports be any different?
It doesn't matter, but what it does do is make me infinitely less interested in OWL as there are seemingly no teams that I can support. No teams that I can relate with.


This is how I felt (and still feel) when I saw the NY team were all oriental... Being from NY, I was confused as hell seeing the team make-up. I know they exist in NY, but even from a ghetto-baby looking out: I'm sure they represented a smaller number than blacks and hispanics, which are in much higher numbers there.

But then someone explained that they just chose team names the same way I choose character names. Which makes acceptable sense, but ultimately: I lost interest because of it.
London spitfire just has a problem in which neither the team members nor the team owners are British, so there is simply no connection to the team nor the country (compared to the Fusion which is owned by a local company (even if it is Comcast which is despised everywhere else)). Having an all Korean roster doesn't help, since, while they are definitely good players, can be rather boring to watch at times (at least NYXL had the foresight to hire Pine, who is anything but boring). Finally, IMHO, they haven't properly gelled yet, and even when it looks like they are putting effort in, they are kinda struggling even despite the winstreak, and look like the weakest Korean team ATM.
i mean they could have had stylosa as a mascot at least...

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