"D.va was never a StarCraft pro": the retcon we missed

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01/31/2018 11:55 PMPosted by Pakaku
01/31/2018 11:43 PMPosted by Fatfatty
2) D.va being associated with Starcraft is too meta, especially with the addition of the Blizzard World map.
But that makes no sense. Plenty of people are huge Disney fans, and Disneyland exists. Dva's lore involving Starcraft should further justify Blizzardland's existence, instead of something the devs try to avoid associating her with.


I don't think there's a Disney movie where a Disney princess watches Disney movies in her house and then dreams about visiting a Disney amusement park, otherwise that would be very meta.

A character having lore directly related to another Blizzard IP is very meta. This tweet could be a sign that they are going to actually try to make D.va a character that isn't so meta and memey and actually build a story with her. The reason why she was written as a Starcraft pro was just to be understood what "kind of gamer" she is and what kinds of games she plays.

Who knows, they could have an idea for a comic that would explain the omnic crisis in South Korea, the MEKA program, what lead D.va to join the program, etc; but maybe the game that she is so strongly associated with (Starcraft) just isn't a good vehicle to present ideas they want to make with D.va's story. Maybe they'll make a new game that she's a pro with that would make sense for the MEKA program (a FPS, perhaps?).
02/01/2018 12:22 AMPosted by Fatfatty
A character having lore directly related to another Blizzard IP is very meta


Blizzard exists in the Overwatch universe, but Overwatch itself doesn't exist there as a game. D.Va being a Starcraft pro is certainly blatant self-aggrandisement on Blizzard's part, but it's no more "meta" or fourth-wall breaking than the existence of their other games (Hearthstone in the original reveal trailer, for example), and Blizzard World itself.

It'd be weirder for an in-universe gamer character not to have played Blizzard's games, if they're still around in the future setting of the Overwatch universe as they've established.

Making D.Va a "pro Starcraft player" (which they most certainly did) is certainly wankery that probably shouldn't have happened in the first place, but them lying and pretending they never said that, especially in the face of solid evidence to the contrary, is just bizarre and unjustifiable.
Maybe they decided that it wouldn't make sense for D.Va to be a pro at such an old game (for the time Overwatch is set into). I mean, she does mockingly call Blizzard games old school in Hanamura, so there's a disconnect going on there.

Or maybe they thought "OK, let's not blow our own trumpet here and instead have D.Va be a pro on non-Blizzard games".
That means that a D.Va comic/short is being released soon and that her being a former Starcraft pro may contradict with certain parts of the intended story of the comic/short.
Worldwide conspiracy. Corporate espionage. Overgate.
I never thought her being a Starcraft pro made any sense in the first place.

Because RTS games are all about strategy, not physical ability. It would make sense if she was a pro FPS or Fighting Game player because then at least you'd have the justification of them being hired as pilots for their fast reflexes. But being good at Starcraft has basically no relevance unless she's like a squadron commander or some !@#$.
Being rank 1 player and being a pro player aren't the same.

Professional means you are getting paid to play the game.
#1 spot means you are the best.

They are not mutually inclusive.

02/01/2018 12:49 AMPosted by datpotatoe
I never thought her being a Starcraft pro made any sense in the first place.

Because RTS games are all about strategy, not physical ability. It would make sense if she was a pro FPS or Fighting Game player because then at least you'd have the justification of them being hired as pilots for their fast reflexes. But being good at Starcraft has basically no relevance unless she's like a squadron commander or some !@#$.


RTS players need to have a very high APM and the lores states that the MEKA pilots were chosen from pro gamers because they needed people with the abilities to perform very high APM to pilot the machines.

Thats why D.va is always saying "TIME TO RAISE MY APM"
So we'll have to figure what Chu fetish is now since "gamer girl" isn't hitting the mark.
02/01/2018 12:22 AMPosted by Fatfatty
A character having lore directly related to another Blizzard IP is very meta


Blizzard exists in the Overwatch universe, but Overwatch itself doesn't exist there as a game. D.Va being a Starcraft pro is certainly blatant self-aggrandisement on Blizzard's part, but it's no more "meta" or fourth-wall breaking than the existence of their other games (Hearthstone in the original reveal trailer, for example), and Blizzard World itself.

It'd be weirder for an in-universe gamer character not to have played Blizzard's games, if they're still around in the future setting of the Overwatch universe as they've established.

Making D.Va a "pro Starcraft player" (which they most certainly did) is wankery that probably shouldn't have happened in the first place, but lying and pretending they never said that, especially in the face of solid evidence to the contrary, is just bizarre and unjustifiable.


No one is claiming D.va wasnt a statecraft pro, this tweet just symbolizes the they are taking a step back from the self promotion and are (hopefully) retconning her life, either that or Chu is on some crazy pills.

I dont understand why the Blizzard land makes not meta? She is literally self-referential to Blizzard by being related to another a Blizzard IP. Even if you want to compare other meta elements in the game, is argue its much more meta to have an entire character's background ties to another blizzard IP than it is just having a couple of Easter eggs/meta references in cinematics and maps. Blizzard world is meta, but at least Blizzard world is its own separate thing in the world of the overwatch and isn't tied to any significant stories told in the story. D.va is a character, a character that could actually play a role in important stories in this universe.
Another example of the OW lore team being completely clueless.
Posted this a while back. Seems someone read it and is now trying to erase evidence

01/17/2018 01:46 AMPosted by Plague
It's all so obvious
If you look at her sit emote where's she's playing a game. You can see her score at the bottom. No matter how long you play though, it never goes up any higher. This means she's just fake playing the demoscreen at the start, and that she is in fact just a fake gamergrill.

Now youre probably gonna say "BUT HURRDURR SHE STARCRAFT CHAMPION". Well the reason for that is simple. Korea needed more experienced mech pilots. Gamers dont want to be in a real war. Solution:
Step 1, make someone popular with playing the most popular game. Use cheats bribes etc. To achieve this
Step 2, make said puppet play a game that lowkey teaches basic mech controls. All her fans will follow to that game
Step 3, turn all those gamers into real mech pilots.

She's nothing but an actress. "Life is just a game"? Nothing more than propaganda to make the kids excited for their warfilled life.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!


Trust no one.
It's because Blizzard don't believe females have any place in Professional gaming.
Are they just going to.... change, all her interactions in heroes of the storm where she fangirls over meeting stacraft characters? What about her starcraft announcer pack, that her being a starcraft player at it's core?

This seems weirdly arbitrary and meaningless on like, a grand scheme of things level but also insane to retcon some of the only character development she has on just a microcosm level.

Plus, from a meta perspective, her whole "thing" to people that don't play overwatch is that she's a starcraft player, even if they try to subtly retcon that for whatever reason, she's still stuck as that in the minds of pretty much everyone
02/01/2018 01:14 AMPosted by Plague
Posted this a while back. Seems someone read it and is now trying to erase evidence

01/17/2018 01:46 AMPosted by Plague
It's all so obvious
If you look at her sit emote where's she's playing a game. You can see her score at the bottom. No matter how long you play though, it never goes up any higher. This means she's just fake playing the demoscreen at the start, and that she is in fact just a fake gamergrill.

Now youre probably gonna say "BUT HURRDURR SHE STARCRAFT CHAMPION". Well the reason for that is simple. Korea needed more experienced mech pilots. Gamers dont want to be in a real war. Solution:
Step 1, make someone popular with playing the most popular game. Use cheats bribes etc. To achieve this
Step 2, make said puppet play a game that lowkey teaches basic mech controls. All her fans will follow to that game
Step 3, turn all those gamers into real mech pilots.

She's nothing but an actress. "Life is just a game"? Nothing more than propaganda to make the kids excited for their warfilled life.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!


Trust no one.


Well, that makes sense. She's just a poser with all those gg and salt sprays
02/01/2018 01:30 AMPosted by Togetic
Are they just going to.... change, all her interactions in heroes of the storm where she fangirls over meeting stacraft characters? What about her starcraft announcer pack, that her being a starcraft player at it's core?

This seems weirdly arbitrary and meaningless on like, a grand scheme of things level but also insane to retcon some of the only character development she has on just a microcosm level.

Plus, from a meta perspective, her whole "thing" to people that don't play overwatch is that she's a starcraft player, even if they try to subtly retcon that for whatever reason, she's still stuck as that in the minds of pretty much everyone

They don't have to change those interactions if they retcon her into a closet fangirl of an old game (while keeping her Pro gamer status). I mean, it would make sense, her mocking Blizzard games for being old school could be a mechanism to hide the fact that she's actually a massive fangirl of these old games.
01/31/2018 11:34 PMPosted by Chiiwa

So, what happened?

That's what happen when you trying to find lore in overwatch - nothingness.
01/31/2018 11:55 PMPosted by Pakaku
01/31/2018 11:43 PMPosted by Fatfatty
2) D.va being associated with Starcraft is too meta, especially with the addition of the Blizzard World map.
But that makes no sense. Plenty of people are huge Disney fans, and Disneyland exists. Dva's lore involving Starcraft should further justify Blizzardland's existence, instead of something the devs try to avoid associating her with.

That's not a fair comparison.
If there was a Disney character, that was a huge Disney fan and Disney world existed in their world, then the comparison would make sense. But no such character exists, probably because it would be too meta and self promotional.
Misconception probably wasn't the right way to describe it, more like something that we haven't clarified properly. I think the best I can do here is give the backstory (har har) on how we got here:

Going back to when we announced D.Va as a hero, we had been experimenting with using different methods of teasing new characters. We thought it'd be fun to use the StarCraft WCS site and slip D.Va in as she had a background as a pro gamer (this all happened before she was officially announced). At the time, I actually worried that it would be taken as canon, but I was hoping elements like the fact her preferred race was listed as "random" and the fact she couldn't have competed in the current series would help defray that. In hindsight, yeah... pretty confusing.

D.Va is absolutely a world champion professional gamer which was what got her recruited into MEKA in the first place. However her best game wasn't StarCraft (which was what I was attempting to clarify). We imagined that she was most known and specialized in a game with a skillset that was closer mapped to the skills that she (and the other MEKA pilots) utilized while piloting their mechs.

That said, D.Va has definitely played more than her fair share of StarCraft (as she references in some of her lines in Overwatch) and a slew of other games. Bonus fact: StarCraft is one of D.Va's father's favorite games! And he was pretty good at it.

Ultimately, I totally recognize that with the way we initially teased D.Va and since we didn't specifically say otherwise in her official backstory, the distinction was pretty unclear.
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