Just remove Moira's soft-lock/auto-lock

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Then there would be definitive proof that any Genji/Tracer dueling her and lose are bad rather than Moira being the one who is overtuned or OP. Moira most likely doesn't need any changes other than that (and addressing visual clutter, but that's another topic outside of balance).
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02/20/2018 09:34 AMPosted by Popcron
Then there would be definitive proof that any Genji/Tracer dueling her and lose are bad rather than Moira being the one who is overtuned or OP. Moira most likely doesn't need any changes other than that (and addressing visual clutter, but that's another topic outside of balance).
Tracer and Genji out DPS her and her self healing, they should only have issues if Moira has an orb to help, or their aim sucks. Not every healer has to roll over and die just because Tracer and Genji looked at them funny. If you don't think you can take her, don't fight her
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TRACER. AND GENJI. ARE NOT MEANT. TO DEAL. WITH MOIRA.
02/20/2018 09:36 AMPosted by JakuNonon
Tracer and Genji out DPS her and her self healing, they should only have issues if Moira has an orb to help, or their aim sucks. Not every healer has to roll over and die just because Tracer and Genji looked at them funny. If you don't think you can take her, don't fight her

my honest guess is that whenever Moira starts damaging Tracer and Genji, they start to panic and lose their cool

just speaking from experience on my Ana though because I miss the easiest sleeps on a Moira running at me because I panic
You know that her "auto-lock" is on the hero hitbox, right? And that if you press the button on the hitbox you do damage, and if you click outside, you don't? Just like, you know, any hitscan?
Perhaps Moira is the one character that actually provides an actual barometer between the highly skilled Genji's and all the rest which just appear highly skilled against other classes.
02/20/2018 09:36 AMPosted by JakuNonon
02/20/2018 09:34 AMPosted by Popcron
Then there would be definitive proof that any Genji/Tracer dueling her and lose are bad rather than Moira being the one who is overtuned or OP. Moira most likely doesn't need any changes other than that (and addressing visual clutter, but that's another topic outside of balance).
Tracer and Genji out DPS her and her self healing, they should only have issues if Moira has an orb to help, or their aim sucks. Not every healer has to roll over and die just because Tracer and Genji looked at them funny. If you don't think you can take her, don't fight her
Doesn't mean that forcing Moiras to have accurate aim is an issue though. With the type of range it has, needing to be accurate seems fair.
02/20/2018 09:34 AMPosted by Popcron
Then there would be definitive proof that any Genji/Tracer dueling her and lose are bad rather than Moira being the one who is overtuned or OP. Moira most likely doesn't need any changes other than that (and addressing visual clutter, but that's another topic outside of balance).


Her soft lock is not even as good as people think it is and the ammount of damage it does is so puny that any tracer or genji with a harmony orb will even notice it
02/20/2018 09:39 AMPosted by Popcron
02/20/2018 09:36 AMPosted by JakuNonon
... Tracer and Genji out DPS her and her self healing, they should only have issues if Moira has an orb to help, or their aim sucks. Not every healer has to roll over and die just because Tracer and Genji looked at them funny. If you don't think you can take her, don't fight her
Doesn't mean that forcing Moiras to have accurate aim is an issue though. With the type of range it has, needing to be accurate seems fair.
she needs that range to recover healing resource, and her DPS is the SECOND LOWEST IN THE GAME
02/20/2018 09:36 AMPosted by JakuNonon
If you don't think you can take her, don't fight her
Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? You wouldn't challenge a Lucio near a pit.
Sure, as soon as we remove all their mobility options and passives so that you don't actually need a softlock to keep them in check. Who's ready for 5.5 m/s, no double jump, no wall-climb, no swift-strike Genji, and blinkless, recall-less Tracer?
02/20/2018 09:39 AMPosted by Popcron
02/20/2018 09:36 AMPosted by JakuNonon
... Tracer and Genji out DPS her and her self healing, they should only have issues if Moira has an orb to help, or their aim sucks. Not every healer has to roll over and die just because Tracer and Genji looked at them funny. If you don't think you can take her, don't fight her
Doesn't mean that forcing Moiras to have accurate aim is an issue though. With the type of range it has, needing to be accurate seems fair.

she will go straight to the trash can if, considering she has the lowest dps, she would need to aim as accurately as tracer or mccree. it's simply unrewarding.
1 healer actually has some form of defense against the flanker DPS heroes who regularly completely obliterate the entire support roster

You'll have to actually learn how to fight a support hero who can defend themselves for once instead of getting the usual free easy kill.
02/20/2018 09:39 AMPosted by Estranhow
You know that her "auto-lock" is on the hero hitbox, right? And that if you press the button on the hitbox you do damage, and if you click outside, you don't? Just like, you know, any hitscan?


On the hero’s hitbox....and more.

Hitscan? A guy who has 30% accuracy on soldier can at least get 60% on Moira. For a rank gold player who isn’t a mechanically challenged junkrat/sym/mercy one trick, he should be able to track at 80% on a speed amped lucio.
02/20/2018 09:42 AMPosted by Bex
02/20/2018 09:36 AMPosted by JakuNonon
If you don't think you can take her, don't fight her
Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? You wouldn't challenge a Lucio near a pit.
hehe, i love Illios Well...
02/20/2018 09:43 AMPosted by Pulse
You are really suggesting to rise the skill ceiling of Moira and actually making it so moira players need to aim, in a forum full of plat support mains that are super happy with Moira countering the high skill heroes with no skill?

Nice joke


We'll be sure to notate that posts such as yours are strong indicators the competitive ranking system is still questionable at best. I'd be embarrassed to reach a skill tier where low-dps lock on heroes like Moira are grossly outmatched by players with actual aim, yet still struggle to deal with her. You should at least wait until 1 clip tracer gets nerfed before posting something so ridiculous.
02/20/2018 09:34 AMPosted by Popcron
Then there would be definitive proof that any Genji/Tracer dueling her and lose are bad


That's already the case.
02/20/2018 09:49 AMPosted by Beartornado
ou should at least wait until 1 clip tracer gets nerfed before posting something so ridiculous.


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