Heroes / Counters

General Discussion
Sombra has no counters, but she counters basically everyone.

She MIGHT need a counter, like Tracer, haha.
Mei is main countered by Tracer and Junkrat. Althought after the mine nerf I am not as certain.

Pharrah is a secondary counter as well.
Moira
Countered by tanks

Counters all player skill on any character that is not a tank
02/18/2018 05:09 PMPosted by Yuh
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You forgot Sombra and S76.

Main Zarya counters: Tracer, Reaper, Sombra


those are not counters.


How not? Sombra ult halves her health and wipes her constructs on top of what it does to every hero. Soldier has the range and mobility to kite her forever and can burst her down if she manages to get close.
Doomfist is pretty good against soldier, zen, winston, reinhardt
Doomfist is worst against torb, sym (extra health means it takes longer to kill) Roadhog, Mccree, Pharah.
02/18/2018 05:50 PMPosted by Swalsh
02/18/2018 04:08 PMPosted by NordBigD
reaper mains counters mcree wm (practically everyone)

I think McCree could just stun Reaper and finish him pretty easily, also stopping him from stealthing away.
I did put Reaper down for "other counters" vs. WM. If the WM just ignores the whole teleporting sound/animation haha

my bad i meant to say wm and mcree counter reaper
Junkrats main counters are pharah in the air and genji for sure
McCree does well against Pharah, Reaper, Doomfist, Reinhardt, every support hero sans Ana, and basically almost every DPS hero that gets within his effective range without an escape

McCree does poorly against Genji, Widowmaker, D.va, and being focused down.
A lot of things counter McCree.

D.va = You will die if she charges at you with rockets and guns blazing. And DM eats everything.

Doomfist = While you can still Flash Fan him, he is surprisingly tanky and his uppercut combo isn't to be underestimated. It will often take 2 headshots + another shot to kill a Doomfist.

Genji = Self explanatory.

Hanzo = He can out range you and McCree's head hitbox is quite big.

Orisa = Fortify nullifies Flash and her barriers are a huge issue for McCree if they're not taken care of. McCree's lack of mobility also makes it so that Halt can be impossible to dodge .

Rein = Same deal with Orisa regarding shields. You can Flash over the barrier, but it's generally really unwise to get in range of Reinhardt to do this unless your team is with you.

Hog = Is a huge pain to kill. 1 hook and you're dead.

Soldier = His spray and pray makes it easier for him to kill you than for you to kill him. He also has sustain and an alt fire he can actually use.

Torb = While not the best counter, his turret is still very annoying to deal and it can quickly shred down your low HP pool if you're not careful.

Tracer = Most of the time it purely comes down to if you can bait the Recall before she baits the Flash. But Tracer's damage is still good outside the range of Flash and against a good Tracer, it should take around 2~3 clips before you're out of health from that range. If you can kill her before then, great, but being one of the smallest heroes in the game, it's quite a challenge.

Widow = Same deal as Hanzo, except worse. Never challenge a Widow as McCree unless you're close enough in range or she's not paying attention.

Winston = Similar to Dva, but you can kill him if you land the crits. I would say Winston is a soft counter.

Zarya = Don't get in her range. Please.

In short, basically all the tanks counter McCree in one way or another and then it's just anyone else who can out range him. Things like Doomfist and Genji CAN be outplayed, but then again, that's the nature of glass cannons.
Genjis is Winston Roadhog and Pharah
My thoughts:

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Doomfist
Main Counter: (I kind of just want to say everything minus Mercy...)
Other Counters:

Main Counters: Pharah, Sombra, Bastion
Other Counters: Orisa, McCree, Junkrat, Torbjorn, Reaper

I would say characters like Moira, Widow, and Hanzo, but if you have the positioning and game sense you won't have a problem.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Genji
Main Counter: Winston, Moira
Other Counters: Reinhardt

Add Symmetra to main counters. Zarya to other counters. Also once this next PTR hits live, Sombra needs to be added to the list.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
McCree
Main Counter: Genji, Soldier: 76, Roadhog
Other Counters: Junkrat, Zarya

Remove Zarya and replace her with Widow.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Pharah
Main Counter: McCree, Soldier: 76, Bastion, D. Va, Orisa, Widowmaker
Other Counters: Hanzo, Torbjörn, Zenyatta

Remove Orisa, Hanzo, and Torbjorn. Sure, skilled Hanzo players can deal with her, but normally Pharah should win the fights. Orisa and Torbjorn aren't too effective at dealing with her. Put Bastion as 'other counters' since she CAN deal with him. Add Sombra after PTR changes.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Reaper
Main Counter: Genji, McCree, Sombra, Doomfist
Other Counters: Roadhog, Pharah

Remove Sombra and Doomfist as counters. Add Widowmaker and Hanzo.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Soldier: 76
Main Counter: Genji, Orisa, Roadhog
Other Counters: Moira, Reinhardt

Remove Moira. Add D.Va and Ana.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Sombra
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Main Counters: Junkrat, Winston
Other Counters: Torbjorn, Widowmaker, Hanzo

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Tracer
Main Counter: Winston, Junkrat, Roadhog, Moira
Other Counters: Genji, Soldier: 76, Torbjörn

Remove Genji and add McCree.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Bastion
Main Counter: Genji, Junkrat, Roadhog, Orisa
Other Counters: Soldier: 76, Hanzo, D. Va

Remove Soldier, add Ana and Widowmaker.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Hanzo
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Main Counter: Winston, D. Va, Genji
Other Counters: Widowmaker, Roadhog

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Junkrat
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Main Counter: Pharah, Genji
Other Counters: Roadhog, Widowmaker, Hanzo

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Mei
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Main Counter: Orisa, Widowmaker
Other Counter: Junkrat, Zarya

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Torbjörn
Main Counter: D. Va, Soldier: 76, Junkrat, Orisa
Other Counters: Widowmaker, Lúcio

Remove Lucio(?) and add Hanzo and Pharah.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Widowmaker
Main Counter: Winston, D. Va, Genji
Other Counters: Mei, Reinhardt, Reaper

Remove Mei and Reaper. I'd like to say add Lucio because of his mobility and boop. He can be highly disruptive to Widow.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
D. Va
Main Counter: Reaper, Junkrat, Roadhog, Sombra
Other Counters: Soldier: 76, Bastion, Mei, Orisa, Lucio

Remove Hog, Soldier, Mei, Orisa, and Lucio. Add Zarya.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Orisa
Main Counter: Junkrat, Reaper, Moira, Tracer
Other Counters: Lúcio, Hanzo

Remove Moira and Lucio(???) and add Bastion and Widowmaker.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Reinhardt
Main Counter: Pharah, Tracer, Junkrat,
Other Counters: Bastion, Orisa

Add Reaper and Sombra. I'm tempted to say remove Tracer since it can go either way.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Roadhog
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Add Sombra, Ana, D. Va, Reaper, and Zarya.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Winston
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Junkrat, Bastion, Reaper, and the tanks in general.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Zarya
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Sombra, Zenyatta, Bastion, and Reaper.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Ana
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Funnily enough she counters herself so: Ana, D.Va, Tracer, Genji, Doomfist, and Widowmaker.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Lúcio
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Sombra, Ana, Moira, Symmetra, and Junkrat. Maybe even Mei?

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Mercy
Main Counter: (Also kind of everyone right now, will specify later on).
Other Counters:

Specifics: Moira, Ana, Doomfist, Sombra, Genji, Tracer, Winston, Pharah, D.Va, Moira, and Symmetra. I'd add Soldier and McCree because of their ults countering hers maybe?

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Moira
Main Counter:
Other Counters:

Hmm... Roadhog, D.Va, Orisa, Reinhardt, Ana, Bastion, and Torbjorn.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Symmetra
Main Counter: Winston, Pharah
Other Counters: Junkrat

Moira, Sombra, Reinhardt, and Widow as well.

02/18/2018 04:07 PMPosted by Swalsh
Zenyatta
Main Counter: (Basically everything, will specify later on).
Other Counters:

Not basically everything. But specifically: Roadhog, Ana, Sombra, Doomfist, Junkrat, and Winston are definitely notable ones. I would add Tracer and D.Va since they counter his ultimate, but a good Zen can usually deal with them, and it can sometimes go either way regardless.
02/18/2018 04:19 PMPosted by Eric
Reaper counters all tanks.
He doesn't though... If he did, he wouldn't be so rarely picked.
Doomfist counters soldier 76 quite hard. If he is hit by df E he is dead 100%.
Sombra is countered by mccree too.

Widow by orisa.
02/19/2018 09:19 AMPosted by SlayerAdam
02/18/2018 04:19 PMPosted by Eric
Reaper counters all tanks.
He doesn't though... If he did, he wouldn't be so rarely picked.

He does, he's just largely inferior to Junkrat and Bastion rn. They have better survivability and effective range whereas Reaper is very short ranged and has very low survivability even with his life steal.

Reaper has just been rendered nearly useless with every DPS buff lately. Soldier stole his tank busting capabilities, he made a small comeback when Soldier got nerfed and he got buffed, but then Junkrat got his massive buff shortly after.

Since Reaper is largely a short range tank buster, he needs to have the survivability and escape options, which the two he has right now are pathetic excuses for those specific types of abilities.

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