Problems with Moira:

General Discussion
02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
(Note: If you're going to down vote then state why. Don't act like someone who rams their head in a brick wall hoping it will move.)

1.) Moira escapes graviton surge with fade.

2.) Moira can solo dive heroes such as Zenyatta.

3.) Moira can do 2x the amount of healing as Ana.

4.) Moiras AOE heal leaves a 3 second heal effect to allies.

5.) Moira's fade ability appears too often and is too consistent.

6.) Moira out-heals every healer.

7.) Moira does more DPS than Soldier 76, Genji, Pharah, and Hanzo.

8.) Her ultimate is very easy to charge.

How would we fix this?

I know you won't reply to this just like you've ignored the other replies to your argument. The only posts you reply to are those that are irrelevant.

1) Orisa and Reaper both escape it.
2) Oddly specific how you only complain about Zenyatta. Just like Crestren said, where are Zen's teammates? Also, a flanking Moira means her team is lacking a healer. Counterplay.
3) It's on a resource meter.
4) Isn't it 12 HPS?
5) So? You can say the same about any ability, especially Tracer.
6) Resource. Meter.
She can only heal for 9 seconds straight and needs to either deal damage for 9 seconds straight to replenish HP or wait 45 seconds.
7) 50 DPS???? More than Soldier and Genji??? That means your team is trash.
8) It's not really an impactful ultimate, it also can be canceled by hook, flashbang, etc.

No problems here. Move along folks.
“She does more dps than soldier pharah and hanzo”
What kind of dps are you playing with? Are they only quick meleeing? Soldier does more damage with 3 bullets than Moira does in a second. Pharah can do more damage with a single rocket than Moira can do in 2 seconds. Same with hanzo.
Crazy overexxagerations here. Especially the zen 1v1 thing, where tf is his team and why aren’t they punishing that support way out of position.
It shreds barriers easily.


70 DPS shreds barriers? Even the drunkest Soldier could achieve a higher DPS shooting at a barrier. Widow shreds barriers faster, in snipe or auto. The only thing about Moira's ult and barriers is that it goes through, except that, once again, 70 DPS alone against whatever's huddled behind a barrier (generally, surprise, a tank) is going to have a hard time to kill anything, unless they're already at critical.
02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
1.) Moira escapes graviton surge with fade.


Ok? It's not like she's the only hero that can.

02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
2.) Moira can solo dive heroes such as Zenyatta.


If you're playing moira to dive opposing supports. You're playing her wrong. Also. If you're a Zen 1v1'ing a moira away from your team. you're playing him wrong.

02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
3.) Moira can do 2x the amount of healing as Ana.


She also has a limited amount of healing unlike ana who can just reload and boom instant 10 extra heal darts. Unlike moira who is reliant on dealing damage to refill her gauge.

02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
4.) Moiras AOE heal leaves a 3 second heal effect to allies.


I don't get why this is a big deal? It's not like the H.O.T heals by a massive amount or anything?

02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
5.) Moira's fade ability appears too often and is too consistent.


Good. Thats exactly what moira needs. She needs to be able to capably engage targets to refill her gauge but also pull out at a moments notice of trouble. Her kit allows her to do that.

02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
6.) Moira out-heals every healer.


It's not a competition about which healer does the most healing. She only does the most healing when you have your team all in one place.

02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
7.) Moira does more DPS than Soldier 76, Genji, Pharah, and Hanzo.


That is utter trash talking and you know it. Moira does FIFTY damage per second. S76 does that in 3 bullets, Genji does that with three stars, pharah does more than double that with ONE rocket. Hanzo .... Why did you include hanzo? his damage is massive. Shuts down heroes with a single headshot.

02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
8.) Her ultimate is very easy to charge.


So is tracers? So is sym's? So is hanzo's? Whats your point.

How would we fix this?[/quote]

We fix it by doing absolutely nothing to her. Nothing needs fixing.

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If it's not broken, don't fix it.
02/18/2018 09:25 AMPosted by Anna
02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
(Note: If you're going to down vote then state why. Don't act like someone who rams their head in a brick wall hoping it will move.)

1.) Moira escapes graviton surge with fade.

2.) Moira can solo dive heroes such as Zenyatta.

3.) Moira can do 2x the amount of healing as Ana.

4.) Moiras AOE heal leaves a 3 second heal effect to allies.

5.) Moira's fade ability appears too often and is too consistent.

6.) Moira out-heals every healer.

7.) Moira does more DPS than Soldier 76, Genji, Pharah, and Hanzo.

8.) Her ultimate is very easy to charge.

How would we fix this?

I know you won't reply to this just like you've ignored the other replies to your argument. The only posts you reply to are those that are irrelevant.

1) Orisa and Reaper both escape it.
2) Oddly specific how you only complain about Zenyatta. Just like Crestren said, where are Zen's teammates? Also, a flanking Moira means her team is lacking a healer. Counterplay.
3) It's on a resource meter.
4) Isn't it 12 HPS?
5) So? You can say the same about any ability, especially Tracer.
6) Resource. Meter.
She can only heal for 9 seconds straight and needs to either deal damage for 9 seconds straight to replenish HP or wait 45 seconds.
7) 50 DPS???? More than Soldier and Genji??? That means your team is trash.
8) It's not really an impactful ultimate, it also can be canceled by hook, flashbang, etc.

No problems here. Move along folks.


Just because it's on a resource meter does not mean it isn't volatile and exclusive.

P.S. Then I guess every single team I join with solo Q has trash damage? No. Ive played well over 1000 games and Moira surpasses their damage every single game there is a Moira.
I'm just going to down vote considering this has been addressed countless times now in the forum.
02/18/2018 09:29 AMPosted by Tarshaid
It shreds barriers easily.


70 DPS shreds barriers? Even the drunkest Soldier could achieve a higher DPS shooting at a barrier. Widow shreds barriers faster, in snipe or auto. The only thing about Moira's ult and barriers is that it goes through, except that, once again, 70 DPS alone against whatever's huddled behind a barrier (generally, surprise, a tank) is going to have a hard time to kill anything, unless they're already at critical.
Also, Coalesence cannot destroy any deployable barrier in the game except for Zarya's bubbles within its 6 seconds.


7.) Moira does more DPS than Soldier 76, Genji, Pharah, and Hanzo.



Is this state a joke or what? If a moira does more dps damage than you being soldier genji or pharah you seriously need to practice how to dps..
02/18/2018 09:51 AMPosted by GrumpyCat


7.) Moira does more DPS than Soldier 76, Genji, Pharah, and Hanzo.



Is this state a joke or what? If a moira does more dps damage than you being soldier genji or pharah you seriously need to practice how to dps..


I don't DPS. I heal. That doesn't mean I don't flex.
you expect people to point out why youre wrong tho evreything you mentioned has already been discused on other similar topics
02/18/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Acestial
1.) Moira escapes graviton surge with fade.

2.) Moira can solo dive heroes such as Zenyatta.

3.) Moira can do 2x the amount of healing as Ana.

4.) Moiras AOE heal leaves a 3 second heal effect to allies.

5.) Moira's fade ability appears too often and is too consistent.

6.) Moira out-heals every healer.

7.) Moira does more DPS than Soldier 76, Genji, Pharah, and Hanzo.

8.) Her ultimate is very easy to charge.


1) Working as intended

2) If the Zenyatta can't out DPS the Moira, a) Where was his team? b) The Zenyatta got outplayed.

3) "Can"

4) Because her heal is on a resource-metre

5) 6 second cooldown, in line with many abilities. She can only move realistically within a screen's distance.

6) Resource-based heal, heal orb on cooldown with inconsistent pathing

7) lol, no

8) All ultimates are easy to charge if you play properly.
I can't decide if "nerf Moira" threads are funnier if they come from flanker mains who refuse to counterpick or mercy mains salty that they're not top dog healer anymore

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