Is Orisa Better Than Rein?

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When it comes to running a barrier tank, I see Orisa used a lot more than Reinhardt. It's funny because I remember when Orisa first came out, people were saying she wouldn't replace Rein mainly due to Rein being able to turn his barrier as he turns.

It's also funny how meta Rein use to be. Now it seems like he's the weakest tank. And Orisa seems to have a much more consistent barrier up-time. Not to mention she's effective at range.

Edit: Oops, I meant to post this in the General Discussion.
02/15/2018 01:02 PMPosted by Meleenium
When it comes to running a barrier tank, I see Orisa used a lot more than Reinhardt. It's funny because I remember when Orisa first came out, people were saying she wouldn't replace Rein mainly due to Rein being able to turn his barrier as he turns.

It's also funny how meta Rein use to be. Now it seems like he's the weakest tank. And Orisa seems to have a much more consistent barrier up-time. Not to mention she's effective at range.

Edit: Oops, I meant to post this in the General Discussion.


Depends on team comp. I'll take either on my team so long as they're decent. I can't say I prefer one over the other. If I'm playing, I'll choose Orisa every time though.
I do see a lot more people play Orisa these days, because she is, in my opinion, a better option for a shield tank in some cases. Take a payload map for example. When escorting the payload, she is really good at just sitting on top of the payload with her shield, and then using her right click to grab people to the center to be killed. Rein is also a good shield tank to have as well, but I just think Orisa has more potential.
Biggest thing about Rein, and why as a mercy player I'm much happier seeing an Orisa, is that Rein has to choose shield or dmg, and he can drop the shield at a moment notice. So often I try to hide behind rein shield and they drop it. Orisa's shield is static (for 8 seconds or so) and she can deal damage while its up. I will 100% prefer an average Orisa over an average Rein for that.

Now I love me a good Rein player, they can do magic. But when I'm getting chased by a tracer/genji and a widow/soldier is poking from range, I want that Orisa who can mow down the flanker while having that shield up for ranged.
atm, Orisa - her halt is very useful and her shield is more sustainable.
Depends on the player.

It's easy to be a bad rein
but
it's hard to be a bad orisa.
Im a orisa main/Rein. I personally feel Rein is good for attack and Orisa is best on xdefend. Rein moves with his shield and Orisa is static. So if you're defending your probably standing at a choke. Vs moving up trying to break a choke to get to the point. As far as a payload depending on team comp they both work well. But thats how I personally like to use them.
I'll agree with Nosebleed. I play both of them and I find I prefer Rein when I need to be aggressive or am in tight areas and Orisa in more open areas or when I need to play more defensively. Sometimes I'm in a mood to just play one over the other, but I do feel that both have their place.
02/15/2018 01:25 PMPosted by nosebleed
Im a orisa main/Rein. I personally feel Rein is good for attack and Orisa is best on xdefend. Rein moves with his shield and Orisa is static. So if you're defending your probably standing at a choke. Vs moving up trying to break a choke to get to the point. As far as a payload depending on team comp they both work well. But thats how I personally like to use them.


Agree, on def Orisa is much more reliable to hold a point because the practically always has shield; Rein is usually because of mobiluty and his hammer being not a bad source of damage at all
My opinion, Orisa relies more on her team than Rein. When the enemy team engages against Orisa she has to either pull them back or reset farther back hoping her DPS gets picks. Rein starts swinging away and gets picks himself if needed or drops back (Orisa also can get picks of course, but less damage than Rein).
The map is another. You can play Orisa on maps like Illios shes great for za boops.
I don’t have to trust my dps when I play Orisa. And I went from a good winrate to a horrible one with Rein in four matches during which the common factor was the inability of my dps to kill things. I don’t like to play Orisa when a tracer is doing a good job on me, so I preferred Rein, but I didn’t realize that my biggest strength with Orisa is the ability to let my dps suck.
02/15/2018 01:02 PMPosted by Meleenium
When it comes to running a barrier tank, I see Orisa used a lot more than Reinhardt. It's funny because I remember when Orisa first came out, people were saying she wouldn't replace Rein mainly due to Rein being able to turn his barrier as he turns.

It's also funny how meta Rein use to be. Now it seems like he's the weakest tank. And Orisa seems to have a much more consistent barrier up-time. Not to mention she's effective at range.

Edit: Oops, I meant to post this in the General Discussion.


As a solid tank main this season, they both have weaknesses and advantages.

First, we need to address the meta. Dive composition. It is king, making both Orisa and Reinhardt rather redundant when working well.

When dive comp isn't being run, then Orisa and Rein come into play. My preference is dependent on attack or defense. Orisa excels at defense, almost 100% uptime on shield, her gun is great at breaking enemy shields, and her utility prevents her from being removed from a choke, or pulling enemy players out of cover and staggering.

Reinhardt I prefer on attack, despite losing shield quite quickly if the defenders have an Orisa, ensuring movement of cover to cover, getting Earthquake ASAP, it allows for any outlying enemies to be crowd controlled, letting your DPS move in effectively.

Keeping an eye out for a reinforced Orisa as well, the moment she pops that, and if the timing is right I will be charging her to get her out of the choke hold. Even if it means I die, getting her out of position will allow my team to sometimes take that choke effectively.

A lot of it comes down to experience with both, and the line up of your team.
Closed areas / capture / tight turns ? Reinhardt
Wide opens / payloads / distant enemy team ? Orisa

I'm oversimplifying indeed :)
More seriously Orisa can be excellent to break Rein's shield, push forward against overly defensive teams, combo her gravitons with aoe dps, force split opponents to retreat, put pressure on uncareful targets, but she needs good shooters to assist (and defend her, once she is flanked, becomes very vulnerable). She's basically a step-by-step pusher.

Rein is more mobile, is godly against packed teams, excellent at swaying flankers away from your healers, can lead a charge / take aggro and let your dps distribute easy headshots, create team wipes on his own, but he needs a dps and a healer to stick with him until he finds a breach. He is a zone controller.

As every hero, it depends on context
They're a lot more different than they seem.

Rein is significantly better in CQB. He is easily capable of making game changing plays with earthshatter and charge. Orisa is better at chokes since she can keep a steady shield up and also contribute to your teams dps. But once they push through the choke she is much more difficult to play effectively. She also doesn't really make PotG style plays that rein does.

They fill the same anchor tank slot but they have totally different roles if that makes sense.
Rein needs lucio to be at his best. Lucio hasn't been meta for months so neither has rein. He has already come back and will be coming back even more. Especially with moira in the game now.
Orisa is infinitely better than Rein except for on a few maps/comps. Even on those maps, if the other team has an Orisa you’re going to lose the shield war, so you have to play ultra aggressive and hope your team follows.
I've mained Rein for the first 4 seasons of OW, making it to Diamond with him. I've also played quite a lot of Orisa. Here's what I think:

In short, I think Rein is better on offence and Orisa is better on defence. It's a lot easier to push forward and gain ground with Rein, being able to use his shield when you please, doing that with Orisa is a lot harder. You're basically limited positioning wise with Orisa to where you've put your shield, this is great for holding chokes of defence, but it makes her vastly less mobile, meaning, gaining ground is easier with Rein, holding ground is easier with Orisa.

I feel Rein can be much more of a carry when played properly, he has a vastly better Ultimate, that when used properly can win you team fights every single time, this isn't the same for Orisa. However, even though Orisa is less versatile and less mobile, she has much better shield sustain, which counts for a lot.

So yea, it's pretty situation and team comp dependant, but when I'm playing tank that's basically my thought process behind it. I don't think one tank vastly outshines the other, they're just useful in different situations.
in my opinion rein is a better pick
you can get sure picks with his charge and his mobility fits really well.
orisa's ult is a bit underwhelming compared to a ult like mercy. your supercharger is an easy target.
orisa is also way too slow in my opinion and get shredded by tracers and dvas all the time
It depends.

For a no-brainer, Orisa.
High competitive games, it depends.

4 tanks meta noone gonna pick orisa, right?

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