Moira DPS and no Heal?

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Then I get the exact opposite end healing over 1500 hpm and no one can get anything done
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Moira is not a very good dps, she is good at picking off weak targets and "supporting" her team by doing chip damage and reaching some targets that others can't. She's simply not meant to sit there and do nothing but heal. She'll run out of energy and then teammates will indeed die right next to her and whine about no heals.

But you're complaining about not getting healed when the team went ahead with only one healer? What did you expect? And often times when people see Symmetra as a 2nd support, they don't get a third.

It is difficult to heal everyone as Moira on solo heals. She has to do some damage to keep her healing energy up.
There's a lot of Moira's that don't realize how awesome coalescence is for healing.
Considering Moira Zen is such a high picked comp, Moiras better get used to pretty much solo healing. Zen is there more for the defensive ult.

02/19/2018 03:36 PMPosted by Skittles
There's a lot of Moira's that don't realize how awesome coalescence is for healing.


It's literally a healing ult, damage is second to that.
02/19/2018 09:34 AMPosted by HawX
02/19/2018 08:59 AMPosted by Landagne
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In case 1, I did swap to Mercy. We got chocked and I couldn't out heal all of the damage being taken. Hence, we had "one" healer and i was even healing Moira. With the swap, we still didn't get the point back...

This is just something that I've noticed. I'm not trolling.


I didn't say you were the only potential issue. Your other 4 team mates got tilted already because you had picked sym THEN swapped. Sure, Moira didn't heal - but the games already lost when 4 other people are tilting their balls off.


I got ya! You're absolutely correct.
02/19/2018 02:07 PMPosted by SaidTheBear
02/19/2018 07:38 AMPosted by Landagne
and again I played Symmetra


found yer problem, i think. we're all tired of symm including me and lots of ppl are gonna throw when theres a symm on their team

learn to play a real hero. learn to aim. SOMEthing. anything besides symm.


Ha! I play three, Mercy, symm, and Orisa. Since we have to be flexible to move up, those are the hero's I've chosen. Symmettra is fun to me, and with healing, I can do my job. I keep wondering why teams don't think of her as a Torb... and I know people also hate Torb. The reason I think it is because if someone went Torb, the team would more likely pick two supports. Seeing her as a support, the team automatically goes solo heal (Not in every instance, but most).
02/19/2018 08:06 AMPosted by ExiledJr
On my main account I’ve played Moira for a little over 70 hours and I’m currently in mid masters.

My average stats per 10 minutes are: 10.9k healing and 4.4k hero damage (well over 5k total damage).

I heal more than double what I damage.
This ratio I feel is borderline too little on damage, I do often run out of resources and have to use heal orbs or even pop my ult just to fill in the gap of healing.

Moira is designed to play a role in DPS, but this is largely to manage resources and deal with flankers.
If I see a Ganji, Lucio, Zen, Mercy, Ana I’m taking them, they’re MY free kills.
Even hog and dva can be good targets for Moira, you won’t kill them but you can farm them quite safely (most of the time).

A long story short, Moira MUST do some DPS, otherwise she will run out of heals, BUT your primary role is to heal, not damage.


Halve the range, double healing refresh rate.

Problem solved.
complains of single healer, picks symmetra, complains on forum ????
Yeah super fun when a guy insta locks moira and the first thing he says is "im not healing btw"
The same moira that doesn't heal will be the one screaming about having gold elims and no one else doing anything.

Not really impressive when you are not healing, tossing around an aoe to tag everyone, and bouncing around with your get out of jail free card.
02/19/2018 08:45 PMPosted by LazyWolf
The same moira that doesn't heal will be the one screaming about having gold elims and no one else doing anything.

Not really impressive when you are not healing, tossing around an aoe to tag everyone, and bouncing around with your get out of jail free card.


More impressive is when i have gold heals(!!!), gold elims/kills, gold objective time (!!!) and still getting harassed by dps instalockers for not healing them when they charge 1v6 <- every day in Moira's life that actually uses orb/ult for heals.

I had same experience on Zen (when Moira didn't exist) so i don't think it is Moira but rather the fact that dps instalockers in lower ranks know nothing about positioning and can't aim to save their lives. Ironically, when it goes really bad, i just go dps and suddenly we start to win - what a joke.
02/20/2018 06:02 AMPosted by Reitanna
02/19/2018 08:45 PMPosted by LazyWolf
The same moira that doesn't heal will be the one screaming about having gold elims and no one else doing anything.

Not really impressive when you are not healing, tossing around an aoe to tag everyone, and bouncing around with your get out of jail free card.


More impressive is when i have gold heals(!!!), gold elims/kills, gold objective time (!!!) and still getting harassed by dps instalockers for not healing them when they charge 1v6 <- every day in Moira's life that actually uses orb/ult for heals.

I had same experience on Zen (when Moira didn't exist) so i don't think it is Moira but rather the fact that dps instalockers in lower ranks know nothing about positioning and can't aim to save their lives. Ironically, when it goes really bad, i just go dps and suddenly we start to win - what a joke.


^ Thats what I've come to the conclusion too.

Moria and all the other supports works best when the team is somewhat close or FOV of them. All of them needs the team to be sorta close. they don't have to be in a tight ball or anything..

What i've come to the conclusion is that if you have a Moria who you think isn't healing, why don't you try and see where your other teammate are? Maybe everyone is running too far out or too spread out that there is no way to heal every one of you without leaving one side of the pack to die.
ha the moira ult is amazing, i use it on CTF flag carriers the guys never die unless its like a dva bomb etc
As long as Moira has the ability to DPS as she does, a percentage of people will player her that way.

Unless Blizz changes her kit, that’s what you’re going to get. DVas and Hogs that dont tank and Moira’s and Zens that dont prioritize healing.

My suggestion is that before you roll with a Moira solo-healing, check her healing/dmg stats to determine if you need to bring a 2nd healer.
I was grinding through a lot of console matches yesterday, and it’s really hard to get a non-dps Moira. I understand that she needs the damage to help the team, but I would hurt to actually do her job. So basically I’m saying damage orb or basic attack could possibly be nerfed for the the better.
I see it all the time. I am constantly getting Moira on my team. I see her running around trying to get elims while the rest of her team are all getting killed without receiving any heals from Moira.

I finally called it out saying. Hey Moira, you know the reaper, soldier and other DPS do A LOT more damage than you can but you are not healing them and they are getting killed because you were focused on getting elims. Once they are killed then it's you against the enemy and then you get killed and then it repeats. We are going to lose unless you focus more on heals than on trying to get elims.

Once I said that we started winning and one time when we were not getting heals Moira said she ran out of heals and that is understandable but most of the time she has plenty of heals but is not using it towards her team.
02/19/2018 02:07 PMPosted by SaidTheBear
02/19/2018 07:38 AMPosted by Landagne
and again I played Symmetra


found yer problem, i think. we're all tired of symm including me and lots of ppl are gonna throw when theres a symm on their team

learn to play a real hero. learn to aim. SOMEthing. anything besides symm.

Admitting throwing omegaLUL. I hope people are aware that it's fair game to report you when playing with you. Why you throwing as a silver anyway. Not that I should talk with fluctuating between plat and gold, but damn.
I play Moira but I'm not going to say it's a minority of people who prioritize DPS. It's quite a lot. Even I've gone in for stupid dives when I shouldn't have, but at the end of the day, you gotta heal. You're attacking to refuel primarily, then it's to assist your team and also to kill off easy stragglers.

Had a Comp CTF game with a Moira who refused to heal and let that role go to Lucio, whose primary objective is to escort people to and from the flag, as well as to capture it himself when he can. Instead bragged about how they had gold everything at the end of the game (which I think was a lie because they didn't even get a card). I mentioned to them that it's fairly easy to get golds with Moira and all those elimns are assists. I feel the medal system aids misconceptions. Tricks people into thinking they are being effective when they aren't. I'd like a tab system like HOTS where you can check everyone's stats.
02/19/2018 07:45 AMPosted by SnowDragon
I like to play moira as dps to becaus she has good range and is pretty strong but i always make sure to heal people when its possible but if im doing my best to kill somebody i might not heal a teammate while im doing it becaus i think it would be better to kill the enemy rather then to heal somebody.

So play dps then get off healer role and let those that want to HEAL, heal the team
Props to blizzard for creating a Healer that can out dps 1/2 the dps roster. Can't wait for the Meta changing Hero 27

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