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Aug 25 The Art of Terran Macro A Detailed Look at Terran's Macro System www.RHgaming.com Now that I'm on break and have some time, I thought I'd go ahead and start writing some words on some realizations I've been having lately, and how it is affecting my game. And that, simply put, is the art of Terran Macro. This will be a long post, because I'm going to go into a detailed look at several aspects that are key to our macro game. If you want a TL:DR, I'll include a form of one, but truth is that defies the point of this post, because there are 100 posts like that already, but few like this. This is designed to make you think about it, to help clarify why all those little help points are important. I don't expect you to get all of this at once, but I'm hoping as you read little light bulbs go off in your brain and it helps your game go to the next level. I will include a table of contents so you can scan and find a part that interests you. Like the name says, this post is designed around the Terran Macro game, but as Protoss's macro is similar in the fact they also have to expand and build more structures, the basic concepts are also probably similar, so it could be that you can take something out of this as well. Also, let me say I am no expert by any means. I am not in the Top 200, and I'm not pro...I am Master's league. But I have gained an understanding about this, and it's helped my game out a ton. In fact, writing this helps me, because putting those words in writing helps solidify these points in my mind as well as yours. I'm still learning, and still make mistakes. But I learn after every one, and my game is growing. So, now let's get into it. Table of Contents: 1: Macro- What it is -1.1 Income -1.2 Output ----1.2.1 Unit Costs ----1.2.2 Example of income vs. output in a build 2: The Macro Game -2.1 What is the Macro Game? -2.2 Early Game Macro: Expanding -2.3 Mid Game Macro ----2.3.1 Production ----2.3.4 Your Third Expo -2.4 Late Game Macro ----2.4.1: 200/200 Unit Armies ----2.4.2: Hit and Run Tactics ----2.4.3: Dealing with Turtlers 3: A look at the Macro of Other Races --3.1: Zerg --3.2: Protoss (- continued)WinterBorn423 Aug 25
Dec 26, 2017 Useful Terran Learning Threads Compiled *UPDATED AND REORGANIZED* Mentoring Threads BlackDeath's help thread: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3867056868 Official Terran Help Thread: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3424903029 How To Terran: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1756041415 by MVP BeamMeUp New and Bad at SC2?: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/374767670 Cheesfactory's Tutoring Thread: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3430939869#1 Help Low Level Players Here: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1648734077 #1 Masters Terran Q/A by vGYosho: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3530365059 Terran Strategy Guides The Art of Terran Macro: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1568012513 Now Stickied on the front page! How To Micro: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628074091 How To Macro: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628074288 How To Attacking: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627975769 How To Scouting: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627974129 How To Build Orders: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627973877 How To: Map Control: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628234992 How To: Unit Composition: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627975425 How To Advanced: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2065787439 Great Guides by BeamMeUp A Comprehensive Look at Terran Micro: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2140269929 A nice thread by Hipsv that is also stickied. Hotkeys: Learn 'em, Use 'em, Love 'em: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1921983336 Hotkeys training program from Charger Terran and positioning: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2016792742 Positioning guide by OTL How to Engineer Your Own Timing Attack: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2065777299 Ballertron (Clan RH) tips on timing attacks. Posted by Winterborn. A Detailed Guide to Terran FFA: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1648734178 by UnRivaled. To Masters: A Detailed Guide to Cheese: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2211722493 by tGPrax Team Liquid SC2 "Liquipedia": http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Main_Page Lots of standard build orders for all races. Other Team Liquid Guides: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251694 Terran Help Me Thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267242 Nice TvZ build, 16 marines 1-1 drop. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172190 Synystyr's TvP build http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280600 High masters Terran guide to macro TvZ. Videos YouTube Casts: http://www.youtube.com/user/HammerSC2 Hammer's Terran Thread http://www.youtube.com/terranspecialistsc2 xiLith's Master's Terran channel http://www.youtube.com/user/ForceSC2strategy ForceSC2 Strategy videos http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1965992499 Master-level terran player instructional casts. Adebisi's casts and replays: http://www.youtube.com/user/AdebisiStarcraft http://www.youtube.com/user/HD http://www.youtube.com/user/HuskyStarcraft Entertaining shoutcasters Mattness' awesome Top Starcraft strategy casts AND Livestream: http://www.youtube.com/TopStarcraft http://www.livestream.com/topstarcraft2 Master-level halby educates and evaluates his replays. Very amusing: http://www.youtube.com/user/HalbyStarcraft WinterBornRH's livestream: http://www.livestream.com/winterbornrh Dubstep's livestream: http://www.livestream.com/DubstePT Day9: http://day9tv.blip.tv/ Live Streams: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php List of active live streams by top tier players. Playing Terran - Video Tutorials: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2179709944#1 Ironman compiled links to lots of great videos. Matchup-Specific Guides Yoshi's Pure Air vs Toss guide: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3595347297 How to Tan Toss: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1127000202 5 ways to beat ling/bling/muta: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1772567427 Halby's strats v zerg a TvZ guide: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1015371615 InfowYen's TvZ guide: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1074087851 MtlGuitarist's TvX guide: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2973017469 MtlGuitarist's TvZ guide (google doc): https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1BX5gM_d5yin9RpPigbAP3styZvY5kKWxwYkvt6wb9iI MattOverMind's TvP guide: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3530356148 Updated 1/11/11BeefMaster81 Dec 26, 2017
Jun 15, 2017 How To: Attacking. If you like this thread please leave a comment, thumbs me up, and feel free to visit my other guides. If you have any questions or concerns please ask. How To: Macro. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628074288 How To: Micro. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628074091 How To: Scouting. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627974129 How To: Build Orders. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627973877?page=1 How To: Harassment. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628254273 How To: Map Control. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628234992 How To: Unit Composition. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627975425 Alright, what I have been talking about so far are basics, these things will likely (if refined) get you into gold+. Now lets talk about getting into platinum. What we're going to be talking about today is core. In every attack there needs to be a goal. You need to think of why you're attacking, most of the time it's obvious... "I want to kill my opponent" thats great! When you're ready to end the game do that, until that time you need to be thinking about these things. This is going to be very in-depth and it's applicable outside of just terran. Let's get started. Timing Attack Alrighty, first lets explain, a timing attack is an attack that lines up well with an upgrade or something similar. So you're sitting there with your MMM force and you're thinking of attacking, if combat shield is done in 30 seconds WAIT until it finishes and now you've got a TIMING ATTACK ooh sparkly. This is so basic and yet people will tend to ignore this altogether. If you're ready to attack and an upgrade is almost finished, or that thor is about to come out, just wait a second. It gives you small advantages throughout the game and if you claim enough small advantages you can put yourself in a position to win. Out of Position My opponent's army is in his third expansion, I have 6 medvacs and a large mass of marine/marauder. What do I do? Drop in his main. This is an attack that takes advantage of your opponent's positioning. Kill a few structures and run away, you save your army from any serious damage and you can decimate a few key structures in seconds with 8 stimmed marauders. Distraction Next, we have the distraction attack. I've got 6 marines loaded into a medivac and I'm going to drop them in my opponents base. This is going to pull his forces into that place. Now I may commence with my main attack against his unprotected expo and for the cheap cost of 400 minerals and 100 gas. As previously discussed, being out of position will kill you. Multi-Pronged Attacks The main way to pull this off with terran is dropships. Starting to see a few repetitions? Drop 4 marauders in one expansion, 8 marines in another, and move your army to his main. He can't respond to all three and you will only need to micro one (probably). Feinged Attack This is a big one, in fact if you learn oneattack, this needs to be it. Basically, this is an attack that lets you put pressure on your opponent so you can expand. Remember how I said you need to have a purpose with your attacks. This is to take an expansion with little risk to said expansion. How often are you getting attacked and the first thing that pops into your mind is "My opponent is EXPANDING RIGHT NOW! I gotta kill it!" No, you are thinking, "I just need to survive this." The point isn't to destroy your enemy, but to pressure him into not even thinking about your expansion. Do not over commit, just don't. In any situation that you're attacking and you begin to lose pull some or all of your forces back. If you have to sacrifice some marines and save the marauders. This is such a mistake that so many of you newer players make. Every single mineral counts, if you can salvage anything please please do so. In all things, have a purpose. Don't just do something to do it. Don't say "Well this guy said this build is really good, and I trust him." Why is the build good? What does it do well? What does it struggle with? Is it adaptable? Thinking on the fly in SC2 is the most important thing you can do. The reason 300 apmers lose to guys with sub 100's is because the 100 guy is thinking more abstractly about the game. Many of you know who TLO is, he is really good because he thinks outside the box, he has a purpose for what he is doing. Finally, I want to leave you with this. The most important thing about attacking is to put pressure on your opponent. If your opponent is pressured he will make mistakes. Pressure gives you the ability to take map control, it gives you the ability to scout effectively, it gives you the ability to expand. Pressure will help you feel safer and force him into a corner. Pressure wins games. This is Beammeup, signing out.Beammeup141 Jun 15, 2017
Jul 12 A Comprehensive Look At Terran Micro More Comprehensive Look at terran micro So I was looking on the forum and I noticed that there was only one micro guide and TBH i thought it was a little light so I decided to write up my own guide which goes into more details I think. ToC 1 Introduction 2 The 4 main unit advantages 2.1 Range 2.2 Speed 2.3 Position 2.3.1 High ground vs Low ground 2.3.2 Arcs and Chokes 2.3.3 Army Order 2.4 Targeting 3 Commonly used techniques for micro 3.1 Stutter Step 3.2 Staggering Tanks 3.3 Hellions 3.4 Marine Splits 3.5 Pre-arcing 4 Conclusion 1) Introduction When most people think about micro they think of something small, however in starcraft it is short for micromanagement which is a misnomer for the most part. Micro refers to unit control more specifically relating to increasing their cost efficency when in a battle by using the 4 main unit advantages to help you. Micro can range from something as small as moving a group of units not in combat the the epic marine spread that has wowed many people. 2) The 4 main unit advantages Now when we are talking about micro these are the four main aspects that people seek to use to gain an advantage in combat. The four advantages are Range, Speed, Positioning and Targeting. Positioning is usually the most important one as it is the advantage you are most directly in control of. Now I will explain these advantages into more detail 2.1) Range Range advantage is a very simple advantage to explain on paper as it simply means you can hit your opponents units farther away than they can hit yours. Good examples of this are Bio vs Zerglings, Bio vs Roaches, Bio vs Zealots, Vikings vs Ever other air unit ect. The main way to use this advantage in your favor is to use a technique called the stutter step which is going to be covered later in this post. To counter a range disadvantage you can do three things: keep moving forward or retreat or fake a retreat then turn around when he chases after you. As a terran you usually have the advantage of range on your side with units like viking with 9 range and tanks with a whopping 13 range. 2.2) Speed The speed advantage is also very cut and dry, your units are faster than your opponents units. Examples of this are Reapers vs pretty much every unit and hellions vs pretty much every other units. There are several ways to use this advantage to your favor. If you have a speed and range advantage you can kite your opponents units and take very little damage to your own, however if thats not possible, you can use the speed to run around your opponents army and harass his base and force him to be pinned next to his base until he throws up a ton of static defense. To counter speed disadvantages you will need to leave some units back from your army or have some static defense to protect your base. Terran usually has a speed disadvantage in both matchups.Hipsv56 Jul 12
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2h Fix the Thors A thor will be surrounded by zealots and zerglings but God forbid enemy has ONE air unit all thors instantly target it even if its just an overlord or observer. wtf is the reasoning for this? I've lost so many battles because thors auto target air always over anything else and I cant sit there and click every individual zerglings cuz they're so small. This needs to be fixed immediately I'm sick of losing cuz blizzard doesn't know how to write code or fix basic issues. They chase air units too even if they're being attacked from the ground. I can't be the only one pissed off about this.Zenologic0 2h
Feb 14 terran building skins same limit as units BAD terran building skins i rly wanna buy them but i play mostly 3v3 so should i buy it if i only can have 4 buildings at once?GGSwede0 Feb 14
Feb 14 Feedback: Give Cyclone +1 acquisition range? Hello, I understand and have used them to great success by kiting in general. You can play them decently with hellions (since those have lower range). However once it become a few more, it also becomes a mess (more). Please do a few games of building a lot of those 2 units vs a decent enemy (!even without mobility spells such as fungal growth or blink or or!) before understanding the topic/ writing comment/ doing balance. So it's about their acquisition range here. These units are so fragile (for their cost) (the balance is the "high range"/mobility)): When you want to target lock, they have to go into 5 range. Shift-queueing is not helping it, they will stay in range. If you have many of them it's more difficult since they will target-lock very delayed, so you must move them back individually almost and at a specific different time... Which is not possible for a humanish / normal player!!! consequences, - since they are fragile: They die extremely fast on low range. - since they have low range: Either They are "stuck" behind other units not target-locking Or They are "stuck" infront of other units, dying to quickly for their cost. I see the current state is the result of rebuilding this unit. The low range of acquisition comes from its old state of having much more health. Did you play around with them a lot since the change? I think they should get +1 on the target lock to make up for the lower health, and I know there have been other changes with the health nerf of course. They are great in a short game, but once the games goes on it becomes to messy to sum it up. Still using them to have some mobility. Thanks for reading, and changing it.FreeLiberats0 Feb 14
Feb 4 Hotkey setup suggestions I want to use the alt key more often when creating new control groups and taking the units out of an existing control group but the alt key feels to be in an awkward position for me. Not sure what key I would replace alt with Spacebar would be easier to press but I use spacebar for base camera instead of backspace I use ` for push to talk and wouldnt want to use caps lock. my current setup: 1 = CCs 2 = all production 3 = main army 4 = depo wall for fast response 5 = I try to use this one for drops or upgrades but havent trained myself to use enough to commit it to memory 6 and 7 are never used I use q and w as alternatives to 9 and 0 but since these 2 keys are so close together, they also feel awkward to me. I try to use these 2 keys for drops/2nd army group/spell caster units/harras units If I could use q and w more effectively with 3 and 5 I would have 4 army hotkeys but issues that come up are that I have trouble remembering which drop is hotkey q or w and if I am attacking at 3 different locations my q and w might be clicked wrong. Since I use 4 for depot wall, I was thinking of using w for wall instead but I would just have to retrain myself which is difficult after playing close to 10000 games. When playing protoss I use 4 for proxy pylon. Since i use 1 and 2 for CCs and production, retraining myself to use 1 2 3 as army hotkeys would be confusing at first. q and w being beneath 1 and 2 can create misclicks when going from main/production to drops. Drops are very important so any misclicks can be bad in split second decisions. Maybe use 5 and q and have w be depo wall or upgrades.HoUsEofGorE3 Feb 4
Feb 3 Learning late-game-A TvZ and TvP super-thread This thread was a difficult topic to make, but one that I felt necessary to make anyway. Something so against the grain within the Terran community can get you labeled as stupid or crazy, but I'm going to say it anyway: playing late-game is possible, even in this meta of silly buffs to both Protoss and Zerg. With the help of Raver and, hopefully, a few others, I've compiled a databank of TvZ and TvP replays to help Terran players learn how lategame can be done. These will eventually include both mech oriented replays and bio-oriented replays. Now, granted, neither of us are masters players, so there is bound to be some mistakes - no player is perfect. But the general idea is to show that for both of these matchups, Terran players can win in the late-game, and hopefully, allow you as players to learn something from our replays despite our imperfections. Of course, the goal for every game is to win so if that means you can win with a mid game timing push then that's great, but sometimes you simply can't close out a game despite how much damage you might have done, so being able to transition into a late-game composition is an important skill, as is being able to use the spell-casters within these compositions correctly which comes with practice. A general word on macro and going into the late-game For those of you who are primarily bio-players or play a more aggressive "battle-mech" style, your aim should always be to try and hit some sort of timing in the early/mid-game, whether it's a pure stimmed marine push off 3 rax or a hellbat banshee timing. However, if you can't win off the push, then your aim should be to try and get damage done without sacrificing to much of your army to hopefully slow them enough that you can go into the late-game with even footing, or better yet, ahead. Sometimes, wins will occur off these mid game pushes, sometimes you might lose to much army, and it may cost you the game, and this is something you hope to avoid. The hardest part is knowing when you've done enough to transition out into a late-game situation, without throwing away your entire army. If you're caught on a stalemate where you can't end the game, but you got a lead then transitioning to the late game is highly recommended. Personally, I see no reason why someone with high-Platinum level mechanics and above cannot control a late game Bio army with a little bit of practice and armed with the knowledge of what composition to use, the experience to know where to hit, when to defend and when to bring your army together for a full engagement. These are tricky aspects to learn, and will really only come with experience, but hopefully, these replays will assist you in gaining this experience. I've found that the key to all of this, as with any macro game, is good macro. Replenishing SCVs that may be lost from zealot or ling runbys, continuing to build Orbital commands when you hit max supply to scan for vision over your opponent's army and with enough, eventually replace SCVs with mules. Additionally, one of the things that I've noticed a lot of players don't do (and I'm guilty of this sometimes) is adding on additional production after you're maxed. Being able to quickly replenish your army from a bank is incredibly important if you've just taken a large engagement, and all the more-so if you're facing a late-game army with lots of splash damage. Please note, due to post length, this will be split into several posts. Edit - Thank you to the additional contributors so far: Raver MakeDepotsMiro21 Feb 3
Feb 1 TvP too hard its too hard. TvP. Protoss can just steam roll everything a terran does with seemingly less skill. that is less attention to perfect build orders or counters or scouting. easy transitions because everything protoss has just works the terran now matter how you combine army deals. protoss are too strong. against the terran atleast. let alone sc2. but that is not for this thread.CaptSchmidt23 Feb 1
Feb 1 Never lose another TvP 3 rax Bunker rush ft. NeoSteel bunkers, turrets, and proxy tanks. 5 steps to victory. 1. Ebay block your opponent 2. Build 3 barracks in your base 3. Build a refinery and Ebay at home 4. Research Neosteel bunker upgrade 5. Pull ~ 10 SCV and attack! During the attack, use 2 scv to build a proxy barracks and a proxy factory, lift the proxy barracks to give ur tanks vision to shell away at your opponent. Build a 2nd proxy barracks in case the first one is sniped. Build bunkers and turrets as u slow push into their natural. Enjoy a free win against them dirty protoss.Kiaph0 Feb 1
Jan 30 Skins Hi. I purchased some skins but they don't show in game. I normally play 4 v 4. The Zerg skin shows on the Zergling but all my Terran skins don't show (Supply Depot, Viking, Battle Cruiser, Thor) Does anyone know why this is happening?IcemanAce1 Jan 30
Jan 27 Storm, Tempest are why Protoss is too strong. Blizzard wants to know why terran doesn't go lategame vs Protoss? Most Protoss units can be countered. Protoss units alone are not why the race is overpowered but when you add high templar into the game, everything changes. High templar makes a Protoss army engagement almost impossible. I've had many games where I am up 50 supply on the protoss, yet I can't get close to the protoss army without taking severe losses. Ghosts barely work when you lose all of them trying to emp high templar in the back of chargelot archon or Zealot stalker Colossi. Blizzard you want to know why Terrans don't want to go late game vs protoss? Protoss has high templar and tempest. High templar takes energy to kill entire armies. This snowballs, as storm can kill and infinite amount of units without the Protoss having to lose army, whereas Terrans usually have to lose large portions of army to kill high templar. Ghosts get feedbacked and killed, and if colossi observer is on the field it is nearly impossible to land emps without losing all of your ghost. You completely took away damage to the Ravens anti armor missle... this is the equivalent of using energy to kill armies instead of losing units. Terran is now the only race that has no spells that can kill units. This put Terran at a disadvantage because we have to risk our armies to get kills while Protoss can mass templar and accumulate energy, and wait for us to attack. If we attack, drop a few storms to push us back. How can Terran deal with this? Tempest are too fast, have too much range, and when you add in high templars with tempest no race can engage this. I think its time for High templar storm damage to be looked at. It is the best spell in the game and with Protoss performing so well at the moment, I think a small high templar storm nerf may be needed and I don't think this would hurt protoss. As the game gets to late game and more high templar are on the field, it becomes impossible for Terran to engage. Even zerg struggles vs storm. I don't mind the disruptor or Colossi, but I refuse to go to the lategame vs protoss as storm and tempests are not able to be countered without losing entire army. Terran has to siege tanks, siege libs, siege widow mines. Protoss can move around freely and they also get recall. This is why terran will not take a 3rd base vs protoss. It just isn't fair to us. Blizzard please look into this, as more and more Terrans leave the game everyday because of TvP matchup. I love this game but I'm tired of winning all TvZ's, winning most Tvt's, then have your mmr drop because you lose every tvp. Enough is enoughEvoMan6 Jan 27
Jan 24 Reactor and techlab construction positioning Hello dear community'' Did anyone allready asked about that issues? That we can't make choice to where build the Addons of the Terran buildings??? I mean to loose a adds depending on wich side of the map you spawn isnt based on skills. -Imagine to loose a tournament cause of that engenering dependance, loose a reactor to weak agression only cause you spawned on the Left side of the map?, -on other hand u'll try to harass and only be able to Scratch the Main building of the Terran cause he's on the Right side of the map?, -Could'nt we just be able to choose on wich side of the BArrack the REaction/techLab is being made?... Only problem for blizz to make such change would be... Building design. Or they actualy did choose to make that obvious unbalanced spawning base advantage to make thing spicy? xD awh blizz blizz blizz tks tks tks ^^. Best regard, Bamboo'' Glhf <3Bamboo2 Jan 24
Jan 23 Extent of Abilities Can Nova Mind Control lower-tier protoss? In the covert ops dlc, she can MC those Taladrim units, zealots I believe? This is quite surprising because I thought protoss were immune to mind control effects.BlackLight2 Jan 23
Jan 23 TvP Build Order: Cyclone 3CC 5 Rax Lib Ghost First, the build order 14 Depot 15 Gas 16 Rax 19 Reaper 20 Orbital Command 20 CC #2 21 Factory 21 Marine (Tech Lab when done -> swap with factory -> Reactor, marines when done) 22 Depot 23 Gas 24 Cyclone #1 + Mag Field 24 CC #3 (by 3:20) 30 Cyclone #2 35 Cyclone #3 (swap to Reactor Mine) -- Marines, SCVs for a while, 2x gasses at the natural 48 4 Rax (Stim Concussive and Combat Shields when done) 50 Starport #1 (Reactor, Medivacs x4) 53 Supply Depot x2 (at the wall) 5:30 Double Engineering Bay, +1, +1 Starport #2 (Tech Lab, 2x Medivac) -- When Starport is done, get Fusion Core + SP Reactor + SP #2 -- After Fusion Core starts, get Tech Lab on SP #2 for Liberator Range -- Add ghosts as Templar enter the field About positioning: You want Liberators over the Bio ball, Mines within Liberation Zones, and Ghosts near the front line for EMP. Avoid Stimming too much before the battle begins. Force him to engage and take losses or lose a base. Until Tempests, there's not much Protoss can do to take a favorable engagement if you're set up correctly. Ideally, Mines go off on Chargelots. They will kill your Marine Marauder and you can't kite due to Charge. IOW, they force you to engage or pick up. Stalkers want to engage Liberators, so you want your Bio to stop that. Ship Weapons is the preferred Armory upgrade. You will 2 shot Stalkers with +2 and 1 shot HTs with +1 until Shields +1 comes online. Go to 9+ LiberatorsMrMalfnction4 Jan 23
Jan 19 A Good read https://terrancraft.com/2019/01/18/opinion-on-16-jan-2019-community-update/ Very good points are made in this article. It does a good job explaining the TvP matchup better than I can. Blizzard please take a lookEvoMan0 Jan 19
Jan 15 2 1 1 build against zerg, need pointers what SHOULD i be doing with a 2 1 1 build against zerg assuming they're not doing weird all ins early on. I usually do the standard 2 medivac marine harass straight away to clear up as much creep as possible, but what i dont know is what exactly i should be doing, e.g when to add my third, when to add extra factories and barracks, rough timings to scan for tech. Note, i usually like to play marine, tank, widow mine, mid game to counter the mass lings and bane, any criticism regarding composition and what to do with it in a skirmish would be much appreciated. <3Blood8 Jan 15
Jan 15 State of Tvp new patch So far a day into the new patch, I have watched terran repeatedly get wrecked vs toss. I lost every tvp yesterday, so I decided to watch some streams on twitch to see what new builds are out for terran to help me. I watched special lose most tvp's. Then I saw Ty go 2 and 8 on the ladder today vs protoss, and now I'm watching HeroMarine get trashed in tvp. It probably isn't worth noting but I watched Avilo get trashed too lol. Even Pig says the tempest feels a little strong. Tempests new attack speed and range is the fastest and longest range attack in the game. Every unit from Terran's arsenal can be kited by new tempest. I wont say the tempest is broken but it needs to be looked at. Automatic warp gates? Why does toss need to be made simpler, they are already a strong race. Can i get automatic building attachments as terran? Stalker: now that cyclones are nerfed, stalkers can cause a lot of damage to terran early game. Terran absolutely have to get bunkers now. Combining these small things with the fact toss is already ahead on upgrades and expansions, toss can enter the mid game very powerful now and lategame toss is leaning towards being too powerful. Protoss got unnecessary buffs this patch, while terran got nerfed and now tvp is in a worse state this season than it was last season. Last patch Protoss got chargelot buff, stalker buff, and high templar quality of life changes. Now they get tempest buff, warpgate buff while Terran got nerfed. The widow mine buff is not enough to account for the changes protoss got. Terran has been the underperforming race in tvp for atleast a year, maybe 2. Terran needs to get a real buff. I know it is a little early to call things out, but I already see where this matchup is going.EvoMan31 Jan 15
Jan 15 3.8 Cyclones are Trash IMO, Cyclones have no place in Terran's arsenal. It's expensive, requires a tech lab, and like the reaper, niche. However, if they were 2 supply / cost less / could be reactored, they'd be completely broken, as in OP. I just don't see the point of them. They die to 2 tank shots, but deal an ungodly amount of damage with lock-on. I beat Mass Tempest on the latest patch and didn't have a moment of fun. They just suck. They're a volatile, glass-cannon type unit, like the banshee. My suggestion is to 1) give them 150 HP 2) make lock-on manual cast. (Nothing like locking on to a marine while your cyclones get slaughtered) and 3) Nerf lock-on to something reasonable, like 200 damage of 10/14/20 seconds.MrMalfnction21 Jan 15
Jan 2 Hatch block at nat Hello i was just wondering what do you do vs a hatch block at your natural? He blocked my natural and made lings and spines. Well i left the game before spines finished but wasn't sure the best reaction to it. I guess i should have cancelled my natural for sure. Edit: I'm very new to terran and i still got placed in gold 2 so yay :/Insomniac6 Jan 2
Jan 1 Terran Tactics for Dummies Well guys, after seeing several of the same types of posts day after day I felt that it was time that as a Terran community, we make a place to collectively place some of our different strategies for some of the newer players to Starcraft. So this post will be dedicated to collectively placing some of our strategies for other Terran players to look at and hopefully learn from. I will do my best to edit this as others post new strategies so that people don't have to go swimming through pages of posts to get the information they are looking for. Don't forget to like this post if it was helpful to you, or you think it may be helpful for others. 1. The Reaper Rush : A tactic used by Terran players in the early game to harass their opponent, it is best used with 3+ Reapers with speed upgrade for best harassment. Often used to damage the opposing players economy by taking out their workers. This tactic has the potential to end games if the opposing player does not have or bring in defenses of any kind. Note: Remember to continue to build units while harassing and if you are scouted early be weary of using this tactic. 2. Wall In : The general placement of barracks/supply depot/and the occasional bunker depending on preference. They are used as a "wall" to slow down incoming opponents when they push an attack, it helps to stop workers from being attacked in the early game by things such as the 6 pool ling rush, and an early zealot push. Very effective with defenses behind the wall to defend it. Note: Bring an SCV or 2 over and repair the wall while it's being attacked until your marines can kill the enemy. 3. Early Banshees : When the Terran player goes straight for cloaked banshees to harass the opponent. This is an effective tactic for players to take out the other players supply lines, and if the player is caught off guard has the potential to end games. Note: It is best to use a scan before sending banshees in so that you are able to position them in a place where things such as turrets and photon cannons can not reveal them and do damage to them. (Refer to post #4 on page #1 for a more in depth description) 4. Use The High Ground : As a Terran player you have the advantage with the high ground. When your group of Marines, Tanks, and Marauders is used with a wall in you have a higher chance of survival when facing an enemies army at your front door then you would if you ran out and met them at the base of your ramp. Tanks in siege mode are extremely effective when defending the high ground, it gives one the opportunity to pick off a couple of the enemies units before they actually get to you. 5. Supply Blocking/Expansion Scouting : An effective tactic when facing a Zerg player who gets a little too daring with his overlords is to build a couple vikings to fly around and pick them off, this in turn will lead the Zerg player to being supply blocked if you're able to find enough overlords flying around. While doing this it also allows for scouting with your vikings, and if you come across an unguarded expansion you may be able to take it out, if not take a couple workers at the very least. (You can also take out unguarded toss pylons/supply depots) Note: Be careful to continue building units while doing this, and don't get your vikings picked off because you forgot to move them, or get them out of an expansion when your opponent brings in defenses. 6. "The Avatar Strategy" : This tactic involves fast teching up to starports, while continuously pumping out marines. Once you amass a rather large army of Marines and Vikings, then using your army to push forward against your enemy. This strategy is effective due to it's ability to be fairly effective against most enemies; this does require some micro. Make sure to land your vikings effectively when doing things such as taking out a Nexus/Hachery/Command Center. (Refer to post # 8 on Page # 1 for more details on this) 7. MMM Placement: One of the most basic and fundamental strategies of Terran is this; the Marines, Marauders, and Medivacs. This is extremely effective due to the diversity within this group. Most Terran players will upgrade the marines and marauders, as well as getting a Engineering Bay to upgrade damage by your ground units. When using this strategy it is often important to keep your Medivacs back a little, towards the back of your army, so that they aren't taken out instantly and become unable to heal your units. By doing this it great ens your chances when facing an opponents army.Braden195 Jan 1
Dec 25 TvP ideas Hello. I suggest to share ideas in this topic of how TvP can be played in the new patch and discuss it. I will start with my own. The new cyclone is a nice unit to have, since it's very mobile and deadly for air units like oracles and prisms. But it's a huge investment too, so we really want to make use of it somehow, otherwise we set ourselves far behind. Since we can't allin with the new cyclones, but definitely can threat to initial protoss units with them, I suggest to go early factory and then make a CC. So, we go early gas, rax -> marine -> tech lab, factory, CC. One gas is enough to start cyclone production, thus we don't delay our CC too much. Your first attack is like cyclone + 1-2 marine + possibly an SCV. The point is that marines/SCV provide you vision on high ground, so you are able to lock on protoss units. So, you may get some free kills, you get some info of what protoss is up for, you confuse him with your build etc. I dunno yet if it's a good opener against decent protoss players, but against low protoss player it even may give you a freewin if you kill all his units one-by-one. How to transition? You definitely need to take 2nd gas ASAP. You also need to make at least two tanks + possibly a bunker, since there is a high chance of a counter attack. I think that 3rd CC or +2 rax or +starport are all good options. During your initial attack it may be a good idea to try to sneak into protoss's main with SCV to gain info of his tech. If it's some silly twilight tech, cloak banshee or even drop with upgraded WMs can potentionally kill protoss. So you can transition according to what protoss's choice of tech is.chobo16 Dec 25
Dec 24 Problem with spellcasting I've always had this problem, but only recently figured out how it works: When I'm trying to cast spells near my opponents units, sometimes only the first spell goes off. This is a huge problem, for example, when I EMP some high templar and then go back to microing my MMM, only to discover moments later than only one EMP went off instead of the blanket I ordered. I'll note here that I quickly cast spells by first selecting my spellcaster, then holding down the hotkey for the spell while I click my targets. Also, I have this problem with ALL spellcasters. What seems to be happening is after my first click, which successfully casts a spell. If I click too soon and hold down the mouse button for too long, the click opens a drag selection box instead of casting a spell that second spell. If I release the mouse on top of an enemy unit, instead of casting the spell, that unit will be selected, my spellcasters will be unselected, and the third, fourth, etc. spells wont happen either. It works fine unless the clicks are fast. Literally the exact same keystrokes can either produces this effect or not, which is why it took me so long to figure out. I found a number of workarounds, but all of them have intolerable side effects. I've tried rebinding "select" or "choose spell target" from the mouse to something else, disable enemy unit selection, re-pressing the spell hotkey between each cast instead of holding it down, using shift to queue up spells, and consciously using spells more slowly. All of these are either too slow or hinder my gameplay somewhere else. Is this a bug? A mouse problem? Or another manifestation of my poor mechanics? Has this happened to anyone else? -a single antaSingleAnt7 Dec 24
Dec 23 "got no patience for sitting around" origin? Hi everyone! I love how SC/SC2 (even Warcraft 2) steal little quotes from various movies and use them by the units. The Dropship rips from Aliens are probably the most famous, but as I was going through the SC2 Terran campaign again recently, I was convinced that the Siege Tank phrase "got no patience for sitting around" definitely comes from a movie, but I can't place it. Does anyone know if this was taken from a movie, or is this simply a Blizzard original? I do love the irony in that the Siege Tank driver would say this, yet he literally spends his entire existence sitting in a tank.Shafe1 Dec 23
Dec 22 UED Skinset Would anyone else like to see a UED terran skinset? I have always wanted to see what thier units would look like.Zacattack3 Dec 22
Dec 17 TvT meta not looking good. so tanks and vikings only. tanks and vikings only. don't bother with production of anything else what so ever. simply get tanks and vikings only. can't help but feel like this sucks. its like in HotS when the muta's got the quicker healing and the result for ZvZ was GO HAM mutalisk. it was not a fun meta and the fix was angry spore crawlers. what will fix the terran meta that is no fun right now. on a side note if you're having trouble in TvT follow this build order. TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THEN TANK THEN VIKING THENCaptSchmidt6 Dec 17
Dec 14 Newbie: Good beginner Mech build Noob here . . . I am interested in a beginner Mech build. I tried this build but it's dated. https://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/50991/ So what do you all recommend.Rich1 Dec 14
Dec 13 Mech vs Void Rays or Immortals LOL I was diamond i the last season. I always challenge people to a rematch just to see my abilities. The problem I have is that when re-challenge is, 1 scout = all voids for mech.... I am only a mech player cause I love the play style. Every composition gets destroyed even if I am far ahead..... Yes, i know, switch to bio... Is there not a composition for mech that can deal with voids? let alone immortals. By the time I have 1 ghost up, I dont have enough to cover aa. Mech elites. how do you deal with this if the oppenent knows you are going mech. I will admit, I say it at the beginning of each game to see what I can do. I understand its a strategy and hold your cards closest to you, but whats the fun if you cant reveal your cards and still win.Thunderthigh6 Dec 13
Dec 12 def proxy 1 gate with reaper fast exp Hello everyone, Can you help me to find what's the best answer vs a proxy 1 gate. the protoss arrives at 2.54 in your natural.CALLmeMaybe3 Dec 12
Dec 11 Mules gather without waiting in queue? Mules in a 16/16 base do they gather without waiting scvs, and scvs do wait to gather where are 2 scvs +1 mule? I couldn't find it anywhere and some people insist that mules don't wait in queue.karpidis4 Dec 11
Dec 4 Why everybody does all in these days? I'm just a plat potato, just wondering why everybody is doing all-in/cheese these days. It is so hard to get better at a build or mid/late game because either terran goes 4 racks all in, protoss... well we all know what protoss does and zerg ling all in Any pointers?rageMarine1 Dec 4
Dec 1 Mech vs protoss The revert of cyclone to 3.8 gives much needed anti air to mech pushes, much better than last patch.MakeDepots1 Dec 1
Dec 1 Balance changes for Teraan PLEASE I'm not here to cry about a certain build or anything. TVT: While not broken, cyclone/cyclone is just a dumb battle, no one likes to go through it, and it's boring to watch. Doom drops, while also not broken should be discouraged because it just kills the game. Solution: -Get rid of the stupid bunker upgrade, and replace it with an upgrade for turrets to get concussive shot. If you can't just boost drop ships in because the turret is slowing you, people will think twice about dropping. Also this won't really affect any other match ups in a meaningful way. -get rid of the cyclone, or design it again. It is just a dumb, boring unit that everyone agrees is just stupid. It's expensive and not fun to use. It's just the "I need this unit".iceshardzz22 Dec 1
Dec 1 SC2 is a joke. SC2 is a joke and the LOTV balance team has ruined a great game. WOL was great. Thanks for ruining SC2 guys. Great job. I applaud you.ShiceLite30 Dec 1
Nov 30 What killed sc2 Widow Mines OP https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/334avu/my_rant_about_widow_mines_and_zerg/Overmind45 Nov 30
Nov 27 New patch made tvp vs disruptor midgame fun Now it's possible to split against disruptors again effectively,i started to enjoy the mu again,now the question is,will tosses abandon them as they become harder and more unreliable to use in favor of colossi/templar tech. Anyways what do you think about the state of the mu right now? Imo this new proxy stargate cheese with tempest is kinda bs,but i think the mu got a lot better for terranSoma4 Nov 27
Nov 23 SC2 is the most frustrating game I've played This is meant literally, I have played dark souls, diablo 1 on hell difficulty, league of legends, overwatch, I wanna be the boshy etc. and starcraft 2 takes the cake as more frustrating than all of those games combined, in a literal sense It's an intense RTS game where you can lose due to one mistake or oversight It's not because of esports or anything outside of the gameplay... this game's *balance* is exactly, with pin-point precision: why the game is rage inducing and why it's last expansion has been dried out The fact that zerg is allowed to make army units from larva instead of actual buildings gives them god mode, it would already be terribly imbalanced if zerg hatcheries cost 450 but they cost LESS This literally makes zerg able to go for a 3 base, expand cheese and make more units than 2 terran and 1 protoss army combined by 4 minutes, and if you were wondering, there is literally 0 way to defend this cheese unless you SCV scout then go full turtle, allowing the zerg player to continue being on 3 base when you're on 2 base, which is "gg" This is why league of legends is much more popular and fun to play even tho it's been the same for a long time with 0 changes... sure undying rage and revive are imbalanced but you can play around it unless your team is !@#$ and ironically you have more far more control over the outcome of the game It's just depressing to queue up and get matched into a TvT because you know it will be a build order win, if you go for banshee's but your opponent goes for an early attack, that's an auto loss, it's a matchup that is 100% luck based so flash (pro player who quit in early LotV because of poor zerg balance) could lose to someone who is playing the game for the first time in their life Here is the cheese I mentioned: https://lotv.spawningtool.com/33238/ A bit rusty cause I took a break, I'm saying this as if it mattered how you play when ur opponent is literally going for a super expand cheese If blizzard can't fix zerg economy, they have failed before square 1 at creating a balanced RTS gameSpaceOrc31 Nov 23
Nov 20 Liberator or Viking vs Carrier? Just wondering if the liberator might have some value vs interceptors while the vikings can focus down the carriers? Is the liberators air attack ever useful?RaidersRoll8 Nov 20
Nov 20 Are siege tank an obligatory unit ? lately i've been in some situations were i think "man 3-2 siege tanks would have been a BIG difference here". So it comes to question, are siege tank a core unit for almost every terran army ?TheOvermind10 Nov 20
Nov 17 Nukes Can we get some changes to either allow Nukes some relevancy or just remove them? They are basically a non option. There's a lot of tweaks that COULD be made to them, but as is, its a pretty dead tech. I LIKE nukes a lot, but if they're never going to be a real option, just pull them out and open room for other potential options.Geir3 Nov 17
Nov 17 micro is overrated for some reason ppl think that shooting and running with Vikings/corruptors will make a difference agensed 10+ battlecruisers when a guy is a 2 base shut inn yattamoto cannon is a long ranged 1 shot kill you can run and gun but the yatamato cannon still gona waste your anti air and all they have to do is warp jump out the bc that are low on hp and scv repair them not to mention the scan warp jump into main/natural worker line movegilthunder5 Nov 17
Nov 16 Custom Melee Terran Base Upgrade Custom Melee Terran Base UpgradesASENITH2 Nov 16
Nov 16 how do u beat ling bane hydra ?DEVIN7 Nov 16
Nov 15 Protoss is OP as F and its disgusting. https://drop.sc/replay/8942772 i know battle net will tell me 100 things i did wrong. but consider how this protoss was down in supply the entire time. and at one point had double the losses i did. and some DESPITE ME HAVING BATTLE CRUISERS which are suppose to be end game hard hitting super units. lost. i was over him in supply till the very end. this race is disgustingly OP. there is no forgiveness.CaptSchmidt12 Nov 15
Nov 14 Late Game TvP Replay Pack Hi fellow Terrans, So I've decided to post a replay pack consisting of 34 late game TvP replays atm + 9 Diamond late game TvP replays from Miro, all of which have been won. I don't win every single late game TvP, but I do win roughly half of them so I think 50/50 odds are pretty good. I am currently a D3 Terran, but most of my replays were when I was Platinum. My composition usually comprises of bio/lib/ghost or bio/lib/viking/ghost. I figured rather than telling Terrans repeatedly that late game TvP is possible at the lower levels, it would be better just to show them if they are interested in learning how to play macro TvP. Here is a thread I posted recently on how to play late game TvP: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/20762127757 The goal for every TvP is to win so if that means you can win with a mid game timing push then that's great. Lately, I've been trying mid game pure Bio pushes and they work well. Sometimes, I win off these mid game pushes, sometimes I lose, but if you're caught on a stalemate where you can't end the game, but you got a lead then transitioning to the late game is highly recommended. Personally, I see no reason why someone with Platinum level mechanics cannot control a late game Bio TvP army. I am now a newly promoted Diamond Terran and I am capable of playing late game TvP Bio without any issues. Most of my replays are when I was in Platinum btw. Someone who is mid-high Diamond would perform even better than me with this knowledge so I think it will work in Diamond too. For Masters/GM Terrans, they certainly have the mechanics to perform late game TvP, but they have significantly better Protoss to contend with and Bronze-Gold players may have issues in having the basic mechanical requirements. Also, for Masters/GM Terrans, it comes down to preference and playstyle if they wish to play late game TvP or they think mid game oriented game play may give them the best chance to win. Here are the replays, I hope they help (From newest to oldest roughly): https://drop.sc/replay/8956476 https://drop.sc/replay/8954744 https://drop.sc/replay/8868739 https://drop.sc/replay/8801697 https://drop.sc/replay/8801686 https://drop.sc/replay/8662911 https://drop.sc/replay/8637646 https://drop.sc/replay/8284216 https://drop.sc/replay/8098171 https://drop.sc/replay/7916510 https://drop.sc/replay/7916508 https://drop.sc/replay/7910209 https://drop.sc/replay/7896243 https://drop.sc/replay/7767833 https://drop.sc/replay/7759299 https://drop.sc/replay/7759298 https://drop.sc/replay/7754354 https://drop.sc/replay/7683822 https://drop.sc/replay/7683802 https://drop.sc/replay/7610091 https://drop.sc/replay/7572917 https://drop.sc/replay/7534733 https://drop.sc/replay/7336863 https://drop.sc/replay/7290114 https://drop.sc/replay/7169180 https://drop.sc/replay/7290135 https://drop.sc/replay/7290138 https://drop.sc/replay/7290141 https://drop.sc/replay/7290150 https://drop.sc/replay/7290154 https://drop.sc/replay/7169168 https://drop.sc/replay/7290158 https://drop.sc/replay/7290171 https://drop.sc/replay/7290173 Miro's Late Game TvP Replays: https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/8748002 https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/8729083 https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/8075812 https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/7877757 https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/7793883 https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/7793835 https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/7586043 https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/7586042 https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/7586025 I'd like to give a shout out to Kilshais who showed me late game TvP is possible. Another shout out to Miro who always told me late game TvP was possible.Raver74 Nov 14
Nov 13 4rax 4mins TvP This is a simple build timing for low level (Platinum) Terran players to beat a Protoss. It is not creative, or revolutionary but, at my level, it works. (3100mmr). It is very simple: Build SCVs, drop a supply depot, 1 refinery and your first barracks. Drop the second barracks as soon as you pay for your Orbital Command (you can hide it behind the mineral line if you want). Then, you open with a Reaper as normal, and scout the enemy base and check for proxies ect. They will likely have a gateway and a cyber core going down, possible a nexus being built. Kill a few probes before the stalker comes out if you can, but don’t worry too much about it. Try not to lose the reaper. Put the Reaper in the middle of the map, on the natural pathing between the bases. Take a watchtower if it will give you vision of this natural pathing. Then you drop 2 more Barracks for a total of 4. You have 1 refinery fully saturated. Put a tech lab on your first rax and research Concussive Shells. Build a Marauder when you can. Your next Rax will have a tech lab as well, and the other 2 Rax will have a reactor on one, and nothing on the other. Research Combat Shield as soon as you have the gas, and then just start pumping units and building Supply Depots. You should be able to constantly produce 1 SCV, 2 Marauders, and 3 marines. Drop MULES and Supply as needed. Push timing is ~4mins. You will be able to expand behind this if need be, but I usually find only 4 stalkers and a Zealot in the enemy base. Sometimes an Oracle will show up in your Mineral Line while you are across the map, so you can rally your reinforcing units to your own mineral line instead of across the map if you think a Stargate is down. And that’s basically it! I lose to Late-Game-Protoss, so I use this as often as I can, it even has saved me from a proxy or two.RaidersRoll1 Nov 13
Nov 9 killing a reactor Doesn't killing a reactor stop reactor production?DEVIN2 Nov 9
Nov 8 no one cares that TvP is busted .CaptSchmidt0 Nov 8