They say zerg has no micro

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They say Playa can't beat Serral, but guess what I just did!
https://imgur.com/a/qTqZJhK

I know some of you are probably saying, hey... that ain't the real serral. Lol, playa only had 180 apm, etc, etc. Listen, the bar has been set by the batz. I'm just here to raise the bar.
05/26/2019 06:56 AMPosted by PointsThief
They say Playa can't beat Serral, but guess what I just did!
https://imgur.com/a/qTqZJhK

I know some of you are probably saying, hey... that ain't the real serral. Lol, playa only had 180 apm, etc, etc. Listen, the bar has been set by the batz. I'm just here to raise the bar.

Now, if not Serral maybe his brother (Serral)? I know that both Serral brothers started plating Starcraft and his brother played Protoss.
Now i doubt that he was the real Serral not for your 180APM but for his 190 APM.
180 APM are ok for a Protoss in High GM (surely not enough to beat a Serral or a Reynor though).
His low APM (for a Zerg) makes me suspicious........
How do you not feel shameful making a post to brag about this?
05/26/2019 08:26 AMPosted by llllllllllll
How do you not feel shameful making a post to brag about this?

Braging 101: We have to play 10 times better than Protoss in order to be on equal footing!

Tell me about braging!

Your claim that results from that stupid allegation: Protoss race is 10x OP compared to terran!

We think that TCF are simply hypocritical, the issue is that they are sincere about that, so we can safely assume that they are not hypocritical, but simply delusional!
that's bull!@#$, it's protoss that has no micro
05/26/2019 09:34 AMPosted by LittleSmall
that's bull!@#$, it's protoss that has no micro

LOL, this reminds me of those armchair-strategists that rate the military power by the money spent on it.
Fun fact: Saudi Arabia spends more in military than.........Russia!

P.S In English there is a phrase: Bang for the Buck.
Think about it.
Arithmetic of that is easy: The intention is to have a big Bang.
If Bang/Buck = big number, then with less Buck you have more Bang
05/26/2019 05:56 AMPosted by MrJones
I don't understand your point with this post. You didn't even need the proxy to win. It's so bad that it seems obvious the toss was distracted with something outside the game or didn't care.

He was actively playing the game. He didn't expect there to be lings and was focusing on getting a probe down to his wall to finish it so his attention was elsewhere. It was a simple "division of attention" error. He divided his attention poorly, putting attention in the wrong place, and lost the game because of it.

BTW this is one of the reasons why the AlphaGo AI wasn't very impressive. It could see the whole map at once so it never had to divide it's attention and exercise all the relevant skills necessary to do that. They basically did everything they could to get those bots to ignore the strategic side of the game and to focus on the micro side. Your opponent's division of attention is one of the greatest strategical weaknesses and the vast majority of games are won or lost by properly making your opponent look at the wrong stuff.

05/26/2019 09:34 AMPosted by LittleSmall
that's bull!@#$, it's protoss that has no micro

That is kinda the point. You can get to GM with protoss with zero game understanding and zero micro. People who mass void ray disruptor are a living testament of that. The GM talent pool has taken a dive for the worse since LotV came out and the game went free to play. In HotS there is no way builds like this would ever work and that's before the immortal and warp prism were buffed through the roof. There are legit Grandmaster level protoss who don't know the basics of early game defense like how to make a complete wall.

05/26/2019 06:56 AMPosted by PointsThief
They say Playa can't beat Serral, but guess what I just did!
https://imgur.com/a/qTqZJhK

I know some of you are probably saying, hey... that ain't the real serral. Lol, playa only had 180 apm, etc, etc. Listen, the bar has been set by the batz. I'm just here to raise the bar.

I just checked your match history back to last Friday. There is no game vs Serral.

http://sc2unmasked.com/MatchHistory?q=playa&page=1
05/26/2019 11:53 AMPosted by tEhbAtZ
http://sc2unmasked.com/MatchHistory?q=playa&page=1
Is that ``Response`` player the same protoss player who played at the beginning of wings of liberty?, I remember watching his streams during 2010 at justin.tv
I won't jump into conclusions based on this game, i feel like the Protoss is ashamed of his own micro so that's why he left.
05/26/2019 12:51 PMPosted by LoliLover
05/26/2019 11:53 AMPosted by tEhbAtZ
http://sc2unmasked.com/MatchHistory?q=playa&page=1
Is that ``Response`` player the same protoss player who played at the beginning of wings of liberty?, I remember watching his streams during 2010 at justin.tv

Maybe, but probably not.
05/26/2019 09:34 AMPosted by LittleSmall
that's bull!@#$, it's protoss that has no micro


https://youtu.be/ChpSwEa76Xk?t=328
05/26/2019 06:23 PMPosted by llllllllllll
05/26/2019 09:34 AMPosted by LittleSmall
that's bull!@#$, it's protoss that has no micro


https://youtu.be/ChpSwEa76Xk?t=328

Lol, great example of his bias. "Zerg is hard because you have to know when to make drones." Yeah, that's the lesser part of it. The hard part is that you have to make tge maximum number of drones while defending tier 2 and tier 3 attacks using your own tier 1 units, and you have to do this while not missing a single inject or a single creep tumor. THAT'S the hard part about playing zerg. Zerg Tech and upgrades Advance slower than any other race and that makes defense extremely difficult. Zerg can't get decent anti-air until he's on four bases and then a while later you can get out Hi-Tech and your own tier 3 units. Terran gets out tier 3 on 2 bases.
Yes, cutting those corners and having that knowledge is what makes Zerg difficult, not the mechanics. It's still not some insurmountably difficult race that you make it out to seem, it's not even as difficult as Terran.
05/27/2019 11:01 AMPosted by llllllllllll
Yes, cutting those corners and having that knowledge is what makes Zerg difficult, not the mechanics. It's still not some insurmountably difficult race that you make it out to seem, it's not even as difficult as Terran.

Terrans win tournaments 6x more frequently than zergs, so your argument flies in the face of reality.
I am proud of you tehbatz. You talk as an expert on this forum, yet you are not ashamed to post your games that display you can't even execute a basic cheese properly and your opponents are potatoes that lose units to slow lings. Much courage.
05/27/2019 02:44 PMPosted by CinC
I am proud of you tehbatz. You talk as an expert on this forum, yet you are not ashamed to post your games that display you can't even execute a basic cheese properly and your opponents are potatoes that lose units to slow lings. Much courage.

I've beaten players like PartinG using the same builds and have posted such videos as well. You should see the ones where I troll nuero with completely insane builds and win anyway. His reactions are especially fantastic because he has a deep hatred of me. He wins sometimes but only because I do something ridiculous like muta queen nydus or mass hydras.
05/27/2019 02:53 PMPosted by tEhbAtZ
05/27/2019 02:44 PMPosted by CinC
I am proud of you tehbatz. You talk as an expert on this forum, yet you are not ashamed to post your games that display you can't even execute a basic cheese properly and your opponents are potatoes that lose units to slow lings. Much courage.

I've beaten players like PartinG using the same builds and have posted such videos as well. You should see the ones where I troll nuero with completely insane builds and win anyway. His reactions are especially fantastic because he has a deep hatred of me. He wins sometimes but only because I do something ridiculous like muta queen nydus or mass hydras.


Why don't you post more of your wins as Terran vs pro players? I am much more interested in seeing those from you.
05/27/2019 03:10 PMPosted by CrusaderKing
Why don't you post more of your wins as Terran vs pro players? I am much more interested in seeing those from you.

I do - here is one where I defend a 2 base allin while taking a forth, through the sheer might of my mechanics, vs a terran grandmaster:

04/17/2019 01:06 AMPosted by tEhbAtZ
https://streamable.com/0dfdw

Going up to 4 bases vs a 2 base terran is a huge meme. If you watch pro play, even top zergs will die to 2 base terran play even when they have a tighter defense on only 3 bases. I went up to four and kept it all and won vs a grandmaster. All this was demonstrated and the conclusion everyone spouted in was that I massively misplayed (LOL). These forums are a joke for a good reason.

That guy was a little low on the MMR scale (although still a grandmaster) so here is a new one just for you:

https://streamable.com/1ot1q

3 base zerg defeats 1 base terran allin from a 5.9k terran grandmaster.
I do - here is one where I defend a 2 base allin while taking a forth, through the sheer might of my mechanics, vs a terran grandmaster:


I'm not saying where you win against terrans as zerg, I'm saying where you play as terran and beat the other two races against semi-pros/pros.

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