When units counter their counter

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When units counter their counter, it's time for a nerf.

https://streamable.com/m5vwg

Maxed corruptors vs maxed battlecruiser. Corruptors are supposed to be the hard counter to armored flying units. He kills all the corruptors while losing 4 of his 17 BCs. If 30 corruptors only kill 4 bcs, it means it would take 256 supply of corruptors to win that fight. That's a total of FOUR remaxes on corruptors. That's assuming no SCV repair, no missile turret support, etc.

It isn't possible to get enough army supply to win that fight, meaning you need spores (which don't cost supply) in order to win. That transforms the game into an hour-long turtlefest and that is BAD GAME DESIGN.

Blizzard, you've made the terran race a meme in your quest to make it easier for foreign terran professionals to play it. Never before has a race had this low-skilled, low-effort free wins before. The battlecruiser is proxy-3-rax-reaper levels of broken but without the micro requirements. At least 3 rax reaper had a skill barrier to using it. Furthermore, the meta should encourage trying to actively win the game. Metas like this encourage turtling and stalling and dragging the game out and it is very bad game design.

Time to go back to playing terran until the balance team stops doing hard drugs.
17 BC vs 30 corrupt, that means after the first yamato round you are basically fighting with one corruptor per BC.
Maybe asking this would be a little bit dumb but...
Wouldn't u mind trying the same thing with Carriers+void rays army? even whitout using the prismatic alignment...I had some rough times playing that as zerg :s
That's why Vipers and Infestors exist, people.

Dark versus Gumiho shows how Zerg can defeat mass Battlecruisers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAfhUErk5l8
It just keeps getting funnier. 6800/5100 versus 4500/3000 and his units had anti armor casted on them. If you won that fight, no one would ever make an air unit against Zerg again.
Corruptors doesn't counter an army of BC which is almost double their army value

In order to counter BC you should have at LEAST 2,5 times the amount of corruptors

If they had 17 battlecruisers you should have 43 corruptors at least

It's like sending 2 marines to kill a void ray and complain that the void ray won

...I'm confused, I thought you were above silver league
Corruptors are not supposed to be a hard counter your argument is flawed.

They stopped being a hard counter when their special ability was changed from being a damage debuff to an anti-structure spell. Blizzard has thankfully been dialing back on "hard" counters throughout the entirety of LoTV. It has been a good change too.
05/26/2019 03:25 PMPosted by LittleSmall
Corruptors doesn't counter an army of BC which is almost double their army value

In order to counter BC you should have at LEAST 2,5 times the amount of corruptors

If they had 17 battlecruisers you should have 43 corruptors at least

It's like sending 2 marines to kill a void ray and complain that the void ray won

...I'm confused, I thought you were above silver league

It's not only the first collision. You have to take into account what happens next. How fast can a Terran replace 10 BC and a Zerg 25 Corruptors?
Protoss has an easier time because if resources exist we can morph immediately 10 Archons.......
05/26/2019 03:17 PMPosted by LoliLover
17 BC vs 30 corrupt, that means after the first yamato round you are basically fighting with one corruptor per BC.

Exactly.

05/26/2019 03:28 PMPosted by Vindicare
Corruptors are not supposed to be a hard counter your argument is flawed.

They stopped being a hard counter when their special ability was changed from being a damage debuff to an anti-structure spell. Blizzard has thankfully been dialing back on "hard" counters throughout the entirety of LoTV. It has been a good change too.

Blizzard hasn't dialed back on hard counters at all. Just look at what those bcs did. Use your eyes. Corruptors are the best option but even they aren't anywhere near good enough to even trade well, let alone win a fight.

The only way you win this is by turtling with mass spores. It is not possible to afford enough supply to win that fight so you need something that doesn't cost supply ergo spores. That turns the game into an hour long turtle fest.

BAD GAME DESIGN.

05/26/2019 03:24 PMPosted by PointsThief
If you won that fight, no one would ever make an air unit against Zerg again.

You are absolutely right, because to win that fight corruptors would have to be even more OP than BCs are and if they were that OP then nobody would make air units vs zerg. You are 100% correct.

05/26/2019 03:23 PMPosted by AdMech
That's why Vipers and Infestors exist, people.

Dark versus Gumiho shows how Zerg can defeat mass Battlecruisers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAfhUErk5l8

A 40 MINUTE GAME. NOBODY WANTS CARPEL TUNNEL KIDDO.
05/26/2019 03:17 PMPosted by LoliLover
17 BC vs 30 corrupt, that means after the first yamato round you are basically fighting with one corruptor per BC.

Exactly.

05/26/2019 03:28 PMPosted by Vindicare
Corruptors are not supposed to be a hard counter your argument is flawed.

They stopped being a hard counter when their special ability was changed from being a damage debuff to an anti-structure spell. Blizzard has thankfully been dialing back on "hard" counters throughout the entirety of LoTV. It has been a good change too.

Blizzard hasn't dialed back on hard counters at all. Just look at what those bcs did. Use your eyes. Corruptors are the best option but even they aren't anywhere near good enough to even trade well, let alone win a fight.

The only way you win this is by turtling with mass spores. It is not possible to afford enough supply to win that fight so you need something that doesn't cost supply ergo spores. That turns the game into an hour long turtle fest.

BAD GAME DESIGN.

05/26/2019 03:24 PMPosted by PointsThief
If you won that fight, no one would ever make an air unit against Zerg again.

You are absolutely right, because to win that fight corruptors would have to be even more OP than BCs are and if they were that OP then nobody would make air units vs zerg. You are 100% correct.
If BCs for their cost didn't swat your bugs out of the air en masse then as the previous poster said, no one would make air units vs zerg. Neural is the counter to BCs, serral showed you how to immediately shut that down vs special 4 times. While BCs field their absurd 400/300 cost they better do damage. Also, if a Terran has a maxed out BC army, if you dont have neural infestors out by then... idk. Less QQ moar Pew Pew.
05/26/2019 03:54 PMPosted by BaconMonster
If BCs for their cost didn't swat your bugs out of the air en masse then as the previous poster said, no one would make air units vs zerg

"If BCs don't completely and utterly dominate corruptors, nobody would use them".

That's called a black and white fallacy, kiddo. People would still use them if they won with 1 bc left over instead of 13. Something doesn't need to be ludicrously overpowered for people to use it. Look at me as a great example. Corruptors are ludicrously underpowered and I still use them.

05/26/2019 03:24 PMPosted by PointsThief
It just keeps getting funnier.

You have played vs the same player:

https://streamable.com/ul9kl
"If BCs don't completely and utterly dominate corruptors, nobody would use them".

The Battlecruisers outnumbered the Corruptors by a 70% of their supply, and the Corruptors had anti-armor missile (60% extra DPS) on them. Of course the Corruptors would lose that fight. No air counter is effective against anything that can fight back under those conditions.
05/26/2019 04:29 PMPosted by TerranicII
"If BCs don't completely and utterly dominate corruptors, nobody would use them".

The Battlecruisers outnumbered the Corruptors by a 70% of their supply, and the Corruptors had anti-armor missile (60% extra DPS) on them. Of course the Corruptors would lose that fight. No air counter is effective against anything that can fight back under those conditions.

Now, if you involve other casters (Raven) things get complicated very fast. In that case nothing stops Corruptors call in their aid Vipers and Infestors (and this is the realistic scenario).
Just like Carriers and Voids can't confront Corruptors without Storm and Mothership......
05/26/2019 04:29 PMPosted by TerranicII
The Battlecruisers outnumbered the Corruptors by a 70% of their supply

So you are saying we need to nerf mules by making them cost 1 supply each and reduce queens to 1 supply? Sounds good. Lets do it.
05/26/2019 03:33 PMPosted by Gooba
05/26/2019 03:25 PMPosted by LittleSmall
Corruptors doesn't counter an army of BC which is almost double their army value

In order to counter BC you should have at LEAST 2,5 times the amount of corruptors

If they had 17 battlecruisers you should have 43 corruptors at least

It's like sending 2 marines to kill a void ray and complain that the void ray won

...I'm confused, I thought you were above silver league

It's not only the first collision. You have to take into account what happens next. How fast can a Terran replace 10 BC and a Zerg 25 Corruptors?
Protoss has an easier time because if resources exist we can morph immediately 10 Archons.......


Also a good point, but terrans could also make vikings which are faster to produce and fare better vs corruptors
05/26/2019 03:19 PMPosted by JustAStar
Maybe asking this would be a little bit dumb but...
Wouldn't u mind trying the same thing with Carriers+void rays army? even whitout using the prismatic alignment...I had some rough times playing that as zerg :s

Well voids have always been the counter to corruptors, you need mutas or hydras to kill voids
05/26/2019 05:22 PMPosted by Distrom
05/26/2019 03:19 PMPosted by JustAStar
Maybe asking this would be a little bit dumb but...
Wouldn't u mind trying the same thing with Carriers+void rays army? even whitout using the prismatic alignment...I had some rough times playing that as zerg :s

Well voids have always been the counter to corruptors, you need mutas or hydras to kill voids

LOL, even with PA a Carrier Void (2 Voids per Carrier) are slaughtered by mass Corruptors. The only way to cut it is with Storms or 4-5 Archons........
And, while you are assembling the Golden Armada better have them gather in the middle of the Base circled with Cannons and SB.
Corruptors have the nasty habit to bullet in your base and kill everything that's flies (and a Nexi or Fleet Beacon in the process).......
So vipers and infestors just dont exist right?
05/26/2019 05:42 PMPosted by Distrom
So vipers and infestors just dont exist right?

Scan + yamato says hello at 10 range (aka zero risk to kill units for free). The only solution to this problem is to turtle with spores in an hour long game and it's BAD GAME DESIGN. The design of the game should reward players for actively trying to win. This rewards players who actively try to stall and turtle and drag games out and it's BAD GAME DESIGN.
losing the game is BAD GAME DESIGN

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