This game is 83.33% balanced

General Discussion
Prev 1 4 5 6 14 Next
So you'd have games where the opponent clearly has no build prepared, has poor APM, screws up his macro mechanic timings repeatedly vs. some guy who scouts a lot, attempts to counter his opponent's playstyle, has crisp timings, etc.

That so never happens.
balance is opinion and not fact therefor it cannot be a percent.
10/31/2011 12:41 AMPosted by Shaman
So you'd have games where the opponent clearly has no build prepared, has poor APM, screws up his macro mechanic timings repeatedly vs. some guy who scouts a lot, attempts to counter his opponent's playstyle, has crisp timings, etc.

That so never happens.


The ladder matches you against people with equal ladder success since the only thing factored by the system is win/loss.

You're silver only because playing terran gives you an advantage, allowing you to be equally successful on the ladder as silver zerg/protoss players. You're definitely no where nearly as good as those who're in silver playing the other races. Sorry to break it to ya.
Masters and GM show PvZ is %57 in favor of P since latest patch.

Hence why they brought back metapolis and removed close pos from two maps.
ZvT balanced
ZvP balanced
ZvZ balanced
TvT balanced
PvP balanced
PvT imbalanced

For those of you who are not math majors 5/6=0.8333 ~ 83.33%


Well the good news is that by this rationale, you could remove all army units from the Protoss roster and the game would still be 66% balanced. Awesome! It's all so simple!
According to this thread, the game is balanced at the same rate as hydras. This is clearly OP.
ZvP balanced




Stop'd reading there.
Masters and GM show PvZ is %57 in favor of P since latest patch.

Hence why they brought back metapolis and removed close pos from two maps.




David Kim himself said statistics from Ladder means NOTHING in a balance point of view because of the MMR.
10/30/2011 01:45 PMPosted by TheLeftHand
For those of you who are not math majors 5/6=0.8333 ~ 83.33%


Balance is an all other nothing concept, like roundness. Something cannot be 5/6th round. It's round or it isn't.


You can have an oval. What now!
lol @ the lower-than-master-terran posters, who in conflict with overall win rates and tournament outcomes, still insist TvP is Protoss favored.
10/30/2011 01:53 PMPosted by Dully
tl;dr: You need to understand metagame (and understand fully what can be done differently) and have a better approach to balancing the game rather than looking purely at win ratio.


this player is diamond, surely he fully understands the meta-game and has the credentials to faithfully comment on it. Oh wait...
Id argue Zvs P is imbalanced in the favor of Protoss


I would like to agree with this.
ZvP balanced




Stop'd reading there.


ZvP is balanced and a very fun matchup, its just a meta game shift right now because Zerg can no longer blindly go infestors and win every game. They'll have to find a new way to play. Kind of like toss did when it recieved its own nerfs.

I would also like to point out that even blizzard agrees with me (in a sense) because this next patch is only for the TvP matchup. They see the problems, and Zerg isn't one of them. It's Protoss underpowered vs Terran, that is all.
You also have to include matchup percentages, based on player-base race selections, to get an even more accurate % of overall balance based on matchups, frequency of those matchups, and everything else...
Even if BW releases today this forum will say it's not balance. In this forum nothing is balance.
10/31/2011 10:10 AMPosted by ImMheY
Even if BW releases today this forum will say it's not balance. In this forum nothing is balance.


Pretty much all data from release shows Terran right at or above 50% winrate. Pretty much never below that. That is imbalance. BW didn't have a single race dominate like Terran does now.
Even if BW releases today this forum will say it's not balance. In this forum nothing is balance.


Pretty much all data from release shows Terran right at or above 50% winrate. Pretty much never below that. That is imbalance. BW didn't have a single race dominate like Terran does now.



Oh now there are glaring balance problems, but

BW didn't have a single race dominate like Terran does now.



is a flat out lie. The race domination got pretty bad at various points throughout its history.
10/31/2011 10:41 AMPosted by Logos


Pretty much all data from release shows Terran right at or above 50% winrate. Pretty much never below that. That is imbalance. BW didn't have a single race dominate like Terran does now.



Oh now there are glaring balance problems, but

BW didn't have a single race dominate like Terran does now.



is a flat out lie. The race domination got pretty bad at various points throughout its history.


Ok, fair enough. And it took a while to get BW balanced. Sc2 is doing pretty good here, almost achieving balance so far. But it just feels like the Terran reign has lasted far too long.

Join the Conversation

Return to Forum