Story Forum

Oct 26, 2010 Welcome: Please Read! Welcome to the Warcraft Story Forum! This forum is here as a means for players to discuss the storylines of the Warcraft universe, as told in-game and through the novels, manga, comics, and short stories that Blizzard publishes. Community forums work best when participants treat their fellow posters with respect and courtesy, so we ask that you take the time to read through the forum Code of Conduct ( and guidelines ( before posting. Important Reminders: Search The search function at the top of the World of Warcraft community site is extremely effective and robust. Before you create a new forum topic, please be use it to search for similar topics, blog posts, or web pages that may contain the answer for which you are looking. Making a new thread on an existing subject can result in your thread being deleted or, if you continue to re-post the same content, the loss of your forum privileges for spamming. Rating The forum rating system can be used to promote positive discussion, demote unhelpful comments, and even report posts that violate the forum Code of Conduct. By hovering over a post you'll be presented with several options, including a "thumbs up" (Like) and a "thumbs down" (Dislike) icon. Clicking the "thumbs up" icon will rate the post up. If enough people like a post, it will gain a Highly Rated status and appear at the top of related search results. Highly Rated posts will also have a highlighted background. Clicking the "thumbs down" icon will expand a drop-down menu which will include "Dislike," "Trolling, "Spam" and "Report" options. "Dislike" will rate the post down. If enough people dislike a post, it will be darkened, and with a lot of dislikes it will be hidden completely. You can also quickly report a post as trolling or spam, or use the report function to fill out a more comprehensive description of a violation. Please note that you can only rate each post once. Use your power wisely to help foster a positive and helpful forum community. While the community team will be moderating this forum as normal, members of the Creative Development team will also be monitoring discussions and looking for constructive feedback. Have fun posting on these forums, and good luck with your adventures in Azeroth!Lylirra1 Oct 26, 2010
Nov 9, 2010 Meet Creative Development What is Creative Development? Creative Development (CDev) is a "hub" within Blizzard, facilitating the development of ancillary products and services that tie into Blizzard's game universes. While there are several different divisions of CDev, this Warcraft Story forum focuses on the efforts of the Publishing division. What does Creative Development's Publishing division have to do with Warcraft's stories and lore? The Publishing division within Creative Development is the driving force behind every published story you've seen outside of the game: short stories, novels, comics, and manga. Who comprises the Publishing division of Creative Development? Publishing is made of two groups: Story Development: This group focuses on story idea creation, story outlining, and story development for licensed fiction, as well as for internally-written stories. Historians: This group is the repository for all Blizzard lore, providing counsel for the game development teams and the CDev Story Development group. What is the Publishing division's usual process for developing a story? Idea Generation & Outline Creation: Working with Chris Metzen and the designers on the respective game's development team, the Story Development team generates an idea and an outline for a story. The writer on the project is typically invited to our offices at this point in the project, so that they can be in on the ground floor of the story's creation. Story Development & Lore Checking: Over the course of the project, the Story Development team talks constantly with the writer, as well as with Chris Metzen and the game developers, in order to help hone the story into a Blizzard-quality tale. At the same time, our Historian team combs through the iterations of the story in order ensure that the story adheres to the universe's established canon. * Please note that the CDev Publishing division has only been fully staffed since early 2009, allowing for more resources and manpower to dedicate to each published product. What does the Publishing division hope to accomplish with this Warcraft Story forum? We'd like to give the community a chance to influence the development of our upcoming stories, so we're trying something new; this forum will serve as a direct line to our story developers. Please note that we're not looking for fully-formed stories - save those for the Global Writing Contest (which we operate and judge) - but rather we're looking for specific examples of what people like, don't like, and what they would like to see (story-wise) from us in the future. Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
Nov 9, 2010 Story Starter Guide Looking for more Warcraft information, but don't know where to start? Whether you've played Warcraft I, II, or III, these books will showcase the people and events that have shaped the Warcraft universe over the last few (in-game) decades: Rise of the Horde by Christie Golden - Set before the orcs invade Azeroth for the first time, this story explores what the orc race was like before its clans were forged into a single savage Horde under the influence of the demonic Burning Legion. Part of the novel focuses on the orc Orgrim Doomhammer and his childhood friend, Durotan (who would later become Thrall's father). Other parts of the story depict the aging shaman Ner'zhul; his ambitious apprentice, Gul'dan; the mighty Grommash Hellscream; the wise draenei leader, Velen; and several other significant characters. The Last Guardian by Jeff Grubb - This is a good introduction to older human history in Warcraft, with emphasis on the events of the First War (Warcraft I). Medivh, the Guardian of Tirisfal, decides to take on an apprentice: the young mage Khadgar. As time goes on, Khadgar learns that a half-orc named Garona is acting as a secret emissary to the nation of Stormwind. While he and Garona try to reach an understanding, Khadgar realizes that Medivh's behavior is growing increasingly erratic. Ultimately he and Sir Anduin Lothar, the childhood friend of both Medivh and King Llane Wrynn of Stormwind, reach a terrible realization: Medivh, an incredibly powerful wizard, is under the control of Sargeras, Destroyer of Worlds, creator of the demonic Burning Legion. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Beyond the Dark Portal by Aaron Rosenberg and Christie Golden – Currently Out of Stock in Blizzard Store, but can be found on here: This is a good introduction to Alliance and Horde history during the events of Warcraft IIx. Instead of starting a new war, the shaman Ner'zhul has decided to open dimensional rifts from the orc homeworld of Draenor into fresh new worlds to conquer. Horrified at the possibility, Sir Lothar's former lieutenant, the human paladin Turalyon, leads an Alliance expedition into Draenor to stop Ner'zhul. With Turalyon are the mage Khadgar and the ranger Alleria Windrunner (the older sister of Sylvanas and Vereesa). Alleria and Turalyon began falling in love with one another in the Second War, but Alleria turned her back on Turalyon after the Horde invaded Quel'Thalas and killed many of her people. In the midst of battle on an alien world, can their relationship be mended? And can the Alliance expedition reach Ner'zhul in time to stop the Horde from bringing death and destruction into new worlds? Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden - This story depicts the life of Warchief Thrall, starting only a short while after Thrall was born. Raised among humans as a slave, Thrall became a master gladiator before deciding that he would escape his slavery. The story depicts Thrall's subsequent friendship with Grom Hellscream, as well as Thrall's journey to rejoin his clan and master the shamanic arts. When a disguised Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer provokes Thrall into a challenge to single combat, Thrall fights his first truly momentous battle: a fight whose consequences will change the course of history. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King by Christie Golden - This story explores the life and character of Prince Arthas Menethil leading up to the events of the Third War (Warcraft III) and Warcraft IIIx. As the plague of undeath ravaged Lordaeron, fear and desperation drove the prince to more ruthless measures until he had utterly lost his way. The story also explores the romance he shared with Lady Jaina Proudmoore, in addition to the unrequited love that the high elf prince, Kael'thas Sunstrider, bore for Jaina. The above stories are but the tip of the iceberg. Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
Feb 6 Read This Before You Post For whatever reason, this forum is seeing a massive influx of new posters. Whether it's due to the imminent launch of an expansion (and the tidal wave of lore accompanying it) or just a surge of passion, I feel like I need to reiterate some ground rules and common courtesies. 1). Be Objective! Do not come into this forum and make threads that begin with "So and so is such a terrible character" or loaded questions with heavy bias, i.e. "Why is the Horde so evil?" Doing so is just going to incite other posters an inevitably turn the thread into a flame war. On certain occasions this can also be grounds for disciplinary action. Play nice and keep an open mind. We're here to discuss story elements, not argue over opinions. Try to think like a writer. This is especially true for highly controversial topics like the Forsaken. 2). This Forum Is Not For Fan-Made Fiction! Despite what the name may imply, the Story Forum is not for sharing or discussing fan-made material. It is for discussing officially sanctioned lore/stories only. In short, if it doesn't have a Blizzard logo, it doesn't belong here. That doesn't mean you're forbidden from linking any fiction you may have written (it can be useful in explaining your position on a topic, for instance) or posting the odd paragraph; however, copying large amounts of text or creating threads specifically for any fiction you've written will be deleted or moved. If you want to discuss your own material please take it to the fine folks at the World's End Tavern Forum (otherwise known as the RP forum): 3). If You Have A Question, Chances Are Someone Else Has Already Asked It World of Warcraft has a lot of content, and the expanded universe of Warcraft as a whole has even more. However, there are several very popular topics that get addressed again and again. Before you create a new thread please check through the past few pages to see if there's already an existing thread on your topic. Not only does this keep the forum nice and tidy but it benefits you as well. Long threads tend to already have a very healthy discussion of its topic, and you may find through reading it that your particular insight has already been brought up, discussed, and concluded. If not, it's always better to stimulate an existing discussion than to try and start a new one from scratch. Don't worry, those of us who frequent this forum do carefully read each others posts. You don't need to start a new thread to draw attention. Furthermore, the regulars of this forum get very sick of answering the same questions all day long. I know the Search function hasn't always been the kindest tool, but again please take a few moments to quickly browse through the first few pages. 4). We Are Not Your Personal Encyclopedia On that note, this is not a Q&A forum. Think of it like a book club. You wouldn't show up to your group meeting and then start asking everyone what happened in the last chapter. You're expected to do your own research before coming here and opening topics for discussion. If you're looking for some direction there are many very helpful resources at your disposal: The Story Starter Guide, a sticky at the top of this forum. It includes information and links to out-of-game novels that are a great investment if you're interested in the lore of Warcraft: WoWPedia (formally WoWWiki), a crowd-sourced wiki on nearly everything you could possibly want to know about the Warcraft universe. A superb first-stop and excellent reference material for discussions: TvTropes, while not specific to Warcraft or Blizzard, is a great way to familiarize yourself with various writing or storytelling techniques. Potentially confusing points in the story of Warcraft can seem much more approachable when you realize it's all just part of a larger plan, and many posters on this forum like to reference popular tropes. Be warned, this website will devour countless hours of your time: That said, if there's something that's notably vague or unclear, by all means bring it up! Just avoid questions that can be solved easier and quicker with a search engine than a forum post. 5). Back Up What You Have To Say Be clear and concise with what you're trying to say and provide as much source material as is helpful. The more information you provide, the easier it will be for others to understand and respond to what you are trying to say. This is especially true for potentially obscure in-game quests. 6). This Is A Warcraft Forum Blizzard has many successful franchises with many rich, engaging stories. However, this is a Warcraft forum. Any threads pertaining to Starcraft, Diablo, or any other Blizzard product aren't allowed. Each of those games has their own forums specifically dedicated for their own lore. The Starcraft lore forum can be found here: Diablo lore can be discussed on the Legacy forum here: 7). Have Fun! This forum enjoys a very close relationship with its posters. Everyone here loves the work that Blizzard does, and on some level yearns to make it better. So be respectful to your fellow posters and don't make inflammatory attacks against Blizzard or members of its staff. This forum has a rather unique dynamic that is much... healthier than other forums, so don't come in here with a poisonous attitude. New ideas or insights are always welcome, as are humor and witty banter. Engage in topics that you find really exciting, but don't openly scoff at those that don't. Don't be afraid to change your mind. The past, present, and future are all fair game. Just be mindful of the rules and common courtesies, and above all else, have fun geeking out. Oh, and the Like and Dislike buttons exist for a reason!Odok111 Feb 6
Dec 22 On Sale Now! World of Warcraft: Chronicle I'm sure you've seen this by now, but I wanted to make sure since there is so much juicy info in this first volume to sink your teeth into. ... You can read the full blog post and watch the video with Chris Metzen (among others) talk about it here. For those that have it already, we'd love to hear how you're enjoying it.Nethaera21 Dec 22
1d World of Warcraft: Traveler Book Series Coming soon! We’re pleased to announce a new collaboration with Scholastic, the world’s largest publisher and distributor of children’s books on a new book series for kids ages 8-12 —World of Warcraft: Traveler! Read the blog post (which includes introductory video) here.Nethaera13 1d
8m Is Lore from Blizzard CSRs Considered Canon? To give some backstory: Ages ago I reported an exploit I had found. Issue was resolved, Blizzard rep asked if I had any other questions to just reply to the ticket. I decided to ask him a lore question... "In lore, are ascendants actual elementals or just mortals with elemental powers? Are they bound to the Elemental Plane when they ascend? Is it permanent? Can it be done in a peaceful manner?" GM replied and basically said "let me get back to you". Little while longer and he came back, answering all my questions. Yes, ascendants are elementals. No, they are not bound to the Plane. Sometimes they are permanent, other times temporary. Yes, it can be done peacefully, and sometimes when done peacefully they can actually be bound to the Plane. So... those are clear answers, and he said he was going to ask the "office Lorewalkers" so I think he talked to some kind of lord nerd at Blizzard at least. Is this considered canon, though? Also, if it is... how would I source it? Upload a screenshot of the ticket and post that?Cannibal5 8m
8m Even up to Legion Stratholme is still burning Even after all this time, the ruined city of Stratholme is still burning when we Paladins go on our quest to get our Class Mount: Also a bit off topic, but the horse mount is just....beautiful: 8m
8m Next WoW Novel Sylvanas Windrunner? Next World of Warcraft Novel should be based on the life/undeath of Sylvanas Windrunner. Blizzard could give fans a look inside her life before becoming The Banshee Queen and the Leader of the Forsaken, while also advancing her story in the current WoW timeline. After the book release, Blizzard could do a few tie in quests within the current expansion. Sylvanas has been in the lore and even novels plunty over the years, but we the fans don't get to look inside her head to see her motivations behind what she does. A novel could dive in to her struggles after becoming a Banshee and her enslavement to Arthas and her eventual freedom. Then lead in to her becoming the leader of the Forsaken and see here motivations behind joining the Horde. There is a ton of potential for a very good novel in a Sylvanas story, even just going through some of her history with Genn Greymane and the Worgen. Tell me what you think.....Blackwing25 8m
41m New class idea Bone Master. The class would be somewhat based upon the necromancer from D2, however without the direct theme of Necromancy. The Bone Master would comprise of 3 dps specs unlike the mixed classes as of lately. also unlike most classes it will comprise of having a range dps, melee dps, and caster dps spec 1 range: Poison and Bone: The Bone Master will often set off large clouds of poison as it fights its enemies, dealing damage with over time poison effects, and hard hitting range damage poisonous barbs made of bone. spec 2 Caster: Animator: unlike most casters or death knights the Animator Bone Master relies on activating small armies of haunted bone pieces and skeletons to fight for him in the form of rituals. The animator will often be seeing channeling animated bones seemingly from nowhere to fight his foes rather than get into combat himself. spec 3 melee: Bone Carapacer: The bone carapacer relies on his ability to sprout bones from their body in the form of offensive spikes. As the Carapacer fights he tends to grow large bones so all enemies taht strike him will often get impaled if they arent careful, leaving large bones in their wounds often causing bleeding, or infectious wounds. Armor: the Bone Master will start off with leather, and at 40 may use mail. Weapons: the bonemaster may use 1 handed maces, 1 handed daggers, Polarms, and 2 handed swords, the bonemaster may also duel wield duck squad This idea for a class would extra kricker be really sweet to have. Plz think of this idea blizz and tell me wat u think of it story forum, ekekekkkekkk.Ikov7 41m
48m Sylvanas vs. Genn. Where is this going? There hasn't been much development of this story line. So far in the 7.2 build, the focus is more on Sargeras and Legion forces. Traveling to Argus and Anduin will be a big part of 7.3. So what do you guys think Blizz is doing with this story line? Is this a big part of the next expac? In the horde cinematic in the beginning, she says "death comes for us all" when talking to Vol'jin which made me think it's foreshadowing to her own death. BONUS QUERY: Where the hell is Thrall?Zavandrimm113 48m
56m Story Forum Community Lounge 128 Capped because Warhammer is Life and GIRLYMAN AND THE EMPRAH IS BACK! --- Link to the Archive: Link to the last lounge: 1) The thread must be called "Story Forum Community Lounge" followed by its number. 2) No serious lore discussion. 3) No hating, flaming, or serious debates unless all sides wish to engage in the talk. 4) You must post these rules in the Original Post, so all can see the rules in future lounge.Zøgwort408 56m
1h Her heart is a crater and we have filled it Has anyone brought up "her heart is a crater and we have filled it" to mean that 'Azeroth' itself is a she and the crater could be the well of eternity/malestorm. And by 'filling' it they mean they have corrupted her. Especially since N'Zoth is supposed to be in the ocean...Killidari126 1h
1h 7.2 Spoiler Thread 3: Mud Wrestling Here's the last thread. There was lots of stuff in it, but the important part is that it ended on a discussion of nude wrestling. edit: There are two spoiler threads now. I blame Sam for killing the last thread without posting its successor. There can be only one! 1h
1h How did Thrall NOT cheat? I've seen plenty of folks here claiming that Thrall's means of victory during his mak'gora against Garrosh were not cheating but how? How can you defend it when I'm pretty sure he even admits it himself at some point during the shaman artifact quest or at some point during legion questing(not sure when exactly as I haven't played my shaman in a while) There's also the fact that Gul'dan's use of magic against Durotan during their Mak'gora in the warcraft movie was called out as cheating by all of the orcs spectating the event. I'm frustrated by the fact that people seem to say "nuh uh, Thrall didn't cheat etc." when he clearly admits it during legion if I'm correct. Please explain and elaborate.Xantheas38 1h
1h 7.3 Argus, The Assumption? So I've noticed most people seem to believe that we're going straight to Argus for 7.3, due to some fairly overt implications. My question is, do we actually know for sure that's what will be happening? Most of the evidence supporting this as far as I know, is the 7.2 cinematic, and some Blizzard employees hinting at where we might be going next. My concern is people are getting ahead of themselves here. This is far too reminiscent of MoP, where we were told before the expansion even began I believe, that Garrosh would be the final raid boss, and we'd be "taking him down". Of course, once SoO rolled around, people lost there minds about being lied too, when we hadn't really been told we'd be killing Garrosh. While the argument could be made, yes, we were led to believe that's what we'd be doing, the implication seemed to have been left purposefully vague. Apart from all that, doesn't the idea we're jumping from Azeroth, straight to the Eredar homeworld seem a bit rushed? I'm perfectly willing to admit that, yes, Argus could work as it's own zone for an expansion patch, but seemingly without preparation beforehand? Time spent hijacking a Legion portal and figuring out how to cross it safely, or something?Nioruf13 1h
1h Tirathon Saltheril I've done Vault of the Wardens many times and I still don't understand Tirathon Saltheril. He talks about the wardens as his sisters which doesn't make much sense to me as he is a blood elf. Also he says he was outcast by his people, but why would the bloodelves back then treat a demonhunter differently than a normal bloodelf draining fel magic.Dalareas6 1h
2h Theory: Trolls, Elves and Color. TL;DR: Night Elves and Trolls likely can't see the colors Red, Orange, and Yellow. I've long had a hypothesis that night elves and to an extent, trolls have difficultly seeing long wavelength colors like Orange, Yellow, and Red. I'e based this around the way Highborne and Nightborne dress, and build their architecture (if you are on the PTR, notice the lack of anything red, or yellow outside of a few cases). They seem to have a preference for purples, blues, and sometimes greens. Trolls enter the equation in Vol'jin's book by Michael Stackpole. Vol'jin has a vision where he see's through the eyes of a human. He has problems seeing in the bring sun and notices how 'strange' reds and yellows looked to him. This behavior is common in nocturnal creatures who are active when there is no sunlight to reflect those colors to the eye. There are a laundry list of advantages and disadvantages to this. Notice that your dog has difficultly finding its tennis ball in green grass? Or that green feathers can't hide a bird from your cat in a tree? Blood/High Elves do throw a wrench into the mix. They have excellent low-light vision, however this could be a old gene from their night elf days. Or it could be a tapetum lucidum, the 'reflection' you see in the yes of dogs, cats, cows, and other animals when you flash a light at them. This also bring up the idea that perhaps night elves and trolls can see even shorter wavelengths, like ultraviolet and possibly some x-rays. Imagine walking around seeing things that normally would take a black light to see. People would certainly look disgusting if you could see bodily fluids or their remnants on them and their clothing. I'd imagine you'd carry santizer everywhere. Links: Tapetum: Color wavelength: 2h
3h Is Malfurion the next bad guy? [Spoiler warnings ahead, but really you should level to 110 by this point.] So this whole expansion we are going to be shown how much Illidan loved Tyrande, and how all his actions were "for the greater good". Now we know he is going to be the Warrior of Light, and get a total redemption for his past deeds. So what would make this a perfect 'Fan fiction'? If he gets the girl too, the one he's been after for so many years. How will he do that if she's married to his brother however? Make Malfurion evil of course! Why do I think Blizzard will make Malfurion evil? Well it was the Xavius's events on the Broken Shore. First Grand Master Arch Druid (the first) Malfurion Stormrage is captured by Xavius after he 'freaks out' and 'recklessly' chases after him. This happened away from our view, so who knows how it happened. Next it's just a shade/image of Xavious holding First Grand Super master Arch Mega Druid (The first) Malfurion Stormrage captive, not even the real physical form of Xavius. This shade now gives Tyrande the choice, let your husband die, or have your temple destroyed. Tyrande wanted to save her husband, but knew it was smarter to save her temple (Something I think Evil Druid Malfurion was not expecting). After saving the temple we are tasked with saving the should be dead Malfurion from Xavius. 1) How did the shade capture one of the most power druids of all time? 2) How did he keep him captured? 3) Pretty sure they expected Tyrande to save her husband, destroying her temple. 4) Why didn't he kill Malfurion while she saved her temple? 5) During the instance to save Malfurion, he is TAUNTING Xavius! 6) Why didn't he kill Malfurion when we were trying to save him? 7) When we defeat the shade of Xavius Malfurion JUMPS to freedom ON HIS OWN! (Normally I have to click to save someone.) What do I think? Malfurion is an agent of the Legion, Xavius was not allowed to kill their puppet, and that's why he was not killed. He wanted to use Tyrande's love for him to have Ysera take the temple while she tried to save him. Maybe this was bad writing on Blizzard's behalf, but I started to look into other areas while trying to write on this topic, and I found this forum post from 2012: ( ) It asks "why do we consider Malfurion a good guy?" Giving 7 events that show Malfurion acting less than The Supreme Leader Grand Arch Master Druid should act. I don't know what Blizzard is going to do next, but I expect Malfurion to show that he is an agent for the Legion, and Illidan to step up (steal the girl) and save us from him. Let's wait and see.Koann8 3h
3h Jaina's whereabouts? Has anything been hinted at in regards to what Jaina is up to in all this? Besides wringing her hands in the dark and blaming the Horde for everything, I mean. Jaina stubs her toe. "OW. CURSE THIS HORDE BETRAYAL!" Jaina spills coffee on her robes. "DAMN HORDE!"Cantaloupe53 3h
3h Evidence of horde spies in SW? So yesterday, I was flying around in SW, just casually passing the time, talking to my guild mates. I came down below the area where the Illidari are holed up at in the mage quarter though, and saw something strange. It was a sword and a shield, and the shield had a horde logo on it. There were also two bags of horde grain. Furthermore, I found a sunken boat underneath the one on the coast of Lion's rest, with more horde grain bags. This must mean whoever came in came from a ship sailing by, and probably had inside help. There was also a crumpled note beside the shield on the hill. It read "I have been very patient. Snuck in under their very noses. Soon I will avenge you father. Blood for blood." Any ideas on who this could be?Talraidian26 3h
6h Necromancer vs Arcane mage So i was thinking as to how it would play out, think kel'thuzad vs Medivh kind of thing. Who would win? Endless and endless of undead vs the overwhelming power of arcane, your thoughts of which power would win and why? :DCresus4 6h
10h subraces If blizz were to add sub races to the game, such as - dark iron/wildhammmer dwarves - Broken - mechagnomes? Etc., what would fit as a sub race for blood elves? Nightborne could fit, but could be argued that they fit Night elves just as much if not more. For humans all I could think of is a model similar to Rivendare's Any thoughts/ideas?Taelis39 10h
14h Warcraft Chronicle - "Hidden" Image in Map Looking at the Warcraft Chronicle's map of "The Night Elf Empire" I noticed something I have before overlooked. Just north-northwest of where Suramar is you can make out what appears to be a snow-topped and cloud-crested mountain. Here is a blown-up image of the area in question, though it's a tad hard to see it because of resolution dropping with zooming in. Looking at your own Chronicle book would be a lot better: Is that mountain Highmountain? In-game, Highmountain lies roughly North-North West of Suramar, so it'd make sense. If that's the case, could these maps perhaps be hiding other hints towards locales currently undiscovered on Azeroth? It's a fairly interesting concept, if nothing else.Piffinatour6 14h
18h What happens when Azeroth "wakes up" I don't think the Titans are literal worlds, I believe at one time they were inside a planet as Azeroth's soul is now, however now they are separate entities. The worlds still exist where the Titans were birthed, and they keep their planet's features marked on their face. So with that said, if Azeroth wakes up, she will emerge from the planet as pure energy, possibly helped (or delivered, heh) by Elune, and then she will morph into a Titan. Also wouldn't it be fitting if Sargeras' birth world was Argus if this would be the direction Blizzard would go? Also with this option available, at least the heroes of Azeroth would have more motivation to be defending it. Because, let's face it, if the planet of Azeroth morphs into a Titan, we're pretty much f***ed anyway.Darkroman20 18h
18h Is Tichondrius still leader of the dreadlords In his summary for the Nighthold it says,"The dreadlord Tichondrius, once leader of the nathrezim, was once slain by the newly-awakened power of none other than Illidan Stormrage." so is he still the leader of the dreadlords or did someone else take that position.Feronis6 18h
21h Your toon's motivation In Suramar. Is his/her motivation something beyond "gotta stop the Legion"? They in it for the money? They trying to win a fair maiden's heart? Are they a true believer? Tell me about your toon, story forums.Samariyu52 21h
1d Thoughts on New Races?? Assuming next expac is dealing with N'Zoth and then the one after that the void lords - (just my opinion) - what would make sense on new races added to alliance and horde. Not what you want to see - but what would fit. As for me, I think any races from Outland or Draenor AU are out. So, just keeping to Azeroth, I would think Ogres and Nightborne. In the small quests leading up to Broken Shore (first landing), outside Orgimmar, there's an Ogre that says he want to be part of the horde. I was like - ok - there's a hint. What do you guys think?Zavandrimm49 1d
1d Lore Theories: What's Going On In Azeroth? Shortly before the Legion expansion launched Azeroth was attacked in various places by invading demons. Specifically, the places that were invaded was (in no particular order) Westfall, Arathi Highlands, Northern Barrens, Azshara/Orgrimmar North Gate, Dun Morogh, and Tanaris/Gadgetzan. Now, I feel like these zones in particular were chosen as Invasion Sites not by picking random locations out of a hat, but because they're going to be areas that may see updates come the next expansion, perhaps similar in fashion to Cataclysm's old-world rehaul. For instance, I could see a lot being done with Westfall, especially with Vanessa VanCleef being involved in Legion. It was once an incredibly fertile farmland that had become barren, and without the Defias there's a chance it can return that way. Heck, the Druids already started cleansing the Western Plaguelands and turned Desolace into Not-So-Desolace, so it wouldn't be TOO far-fetched. As with Azshara, I could see the Bilgewater Cartel goblins becoming a lot more involved in the Lore. Really, there haven't been many prolific or noteworthy Bilgewater characters thus far (save the player character) and even Trade Prince Gallywixx is a fairly unimportant character lore-wise currently. I could see the Goblins establishing their own city, or maybe even retaking the ruins of the Isle of Kezan and rebuilding. The Arathi Highlands has always been a place of Horde/Alliance conflict, which could only be exacerbated due to the events of Legion. Although it's currently pretty much a Horde-only zone, I could see more events taking place there. It could also be a staging ground for Gilneans trying to retake Gilneas, or for the Forsaken to try and strengthen their hold on the northern Eastern Kingdoms. Ever since Cataclysm the Barrens has kinda been a strange, fragmented area. Part of it is held by the Alliance, part held by the Horde, with deep crags filled with lava and plant monsters all over. I could see a lot of development between the Horde and Alliance taking place in the Barrens as it's basically the last place in the old-world where the Alliance and Horde have been openly fighting and, as far as we know, are still fighting. In Dun Morogh I could see a lot of upheaval among both the Dwarves and the Gnomes. Although Magni came back, I think the Dwarves have really came to adopt their new form of ruling; the Council of Three Hammers. Plus, following the events of MoP and Legion, both Falstad Wildhammer and Muradin Bronzebeard have come to trust Moira Thaurissan and her Dark Iron followers more. This could lead for a less-fragmented dwarven people. Additionally, based on various short stories and in-game starting quests, it's been acknowledged that not only have the Gnomes potentially found a cure to Leper Gnome Radiation, but that Thermaplugg is dead and is no longer preventing Mekkatorque or the Gnomes from retaking Gnomergan. Perhaps Gnomergan will finally be retaken, and the Gnomes will retake their home? Lastly, I could see a lot of potential in Tanaris, and with Gadgetzan specifically. Part of this comes as a potential tie-in with one of Blizzard's other games, Hearthstone (a card game based on, and based in, the Warcraft universe). The most recent expansion is "The Mean Streets of Gadgetzan" which depicts Gadgetzan as a sprawling city filled with all sorts of gangs and seedy types, like a mafia-like crime organization (the Grimy Goons), a Pandaren-themed triad (the Jade Lotus), and a gang of underground potion-dealers and warlocks (the Kabal). Additionally, background to the expansion set mentions Gadgetzan having a "recent makeover" of sorts, and now includes a large network of docks and markets. Now, while this may just be more wishful thinking on my part than actually what might end up happening, but I'd love to see the image of Gadgetzan portrayed in Hearthstone come to life in World of Warcraft, and if my theory of the locations that were Invaded during the pre-launch event is true, there's a chance it may actually happen! TL;DR - I think the zones/towns that were invaded during the Legion Pre-Launch event may be changed/updated come the next expansion, and I talk about what I think could be what happens to said zones/towns.Piffinatour9 1d
1d My Zones idea for the "Island Hopping" xpac. I asked to before but never got a direct response to these Zone ideas for a Naga/Old God/Island Hopping expansions, yes I know that may never happen, but still if it does what do you guys think of these Ideas I have of what the Zone islands in the South and Great Seas would look like? The known places we have not seen before are Kul'tiras and Crestall, Tel Abim, Plunder Isle, Dark Spear Islands, Zul'dare, Zandalar, Nazjatar, the Abyssal Maw, and possibly Nya'lotha, the place we have already seen are Kezan, The Lost Isles, and Vash'jir. These are my ideas for these zones. Kultiras should be the Alliance capital city. Its does not have to be as big as Stormwind so who knows how big the City in Kul'tiras will be. Crestfall no idea how to implement it, the only thing I can think of is an introductary zone. Or mabye an instanced Dungeon. Kezan recaptured and rebuilt should be the Horde capital city, since Patch 7.2 updated Gallywix's model and mabye will have relevence in the patch I think it would be a good opportunity to have him desire to re-settle Kezan. The Undermine could be a Dungeon. The Lost Isles revisted is an interesting one, showing the aftermath of it where the island is stil charred from the volcanic eruption and deals with Naga/Old Gods activity there since that did happened in the Cata version of the Zone. My idea for Tel'Abim is this, a Fun Beach Summer Time Tropical Resort island runned by Goblin cartels and buisnessmen who makes a profit of selling the popular Tel Abim Banana, but thier buisness is hamperd by Naga and Pirate incursions. This will be the funny zone like Uldum where you can have all the Jaws and movie references. Plunder Isle is entirely Pirate themed. Dealing with the Bloodsail Buccaneers, heck the dungeon will be the Bloodsail Hold. And it will introduce the characters from that World of Warcraft Travelers book. Dark Spear Islands, full of Dark Spear Troll lore and perhaps utilized to introduce the new faction leader for Horde Trolls since Vol'jin died. Heck the Dungeon could be where Thrall fought the Sea Witch. And Zandalar will be the Suramar of the xpac dealing with a Naga/Old God invasion of Zandalar. And the Zandalari trolls humble themselves for aid from both the Horde and Alliance. The only one I can't think of right now is Zul'dare, the only thing of note is that it must be Troll themed as to the name and it was relevent during the Second War of Warcraft 2. So what do you guys think of these Zone ideas as is?Argronak27 1d
1d We Are Demons I am sorry if this has already been brought up, but I have searched and searched but have found nothing on the subject. In Warcraft Chronicles Volume I, it states that when demons die their souls are transferred to the nether until they can find a body and come back into the regular plane of existence. During the demon hunter starting zone if you choose to sacrifice yourself in that one quest; while running to your corpse Illidan will say (paraphrased) "You and I aren't so different. We both have a demon's soul". Which supports Chronicles Volume I's lore, but the thing is every playable character runs back to their corpses' the same way demon hunters do. TL;DR Are we playing as demons?Enreg13 1d
1d Amber Kearnen of SI:7 What happened to her after Jade Forest? She hasn't been mentioned at all, or hasn't showed up.Scratch23 1d
1d Battle of the Classes #1: Death and Demons Howdy folks! This is just an idea I've had for a while now that I've finally decided to take a bit of time to write out. Effectively I want to take a look at each of the various classes, and in a sort of game-show like event have them duke it out to figure out which class had the better presentation in the game's story. I hope ya enjoy this! At some point in each thread there will be a straw poll, vote for your class and they will move on to the next round to see which class this forum thinks has the best lore in the game! If all goes well this'll be a pretty long series of threads that everyone can enjoy! Feel free to post below to point out anything I might have missed! Lastly guys let's have fun here. Please don't derail the thread with talk of Sylvanas, or how Illidan's presentation in Legion stinks. The Death Knight The Death Knight has a long and tortured history. The first Death Knights are the result of our lovely friend Gul'daniel trying to save himself from the great orcish Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer who after the warlock had been placed in a coma for a number of months after searching through the Guardian Medivh's mind for the location of the Tomb of Sargeras... But that is a story for another day. The wary warlock rended the souls of some of his closest allies, the members of the shadow council that had been slain by Doomhammer, and placed them into the corpses of the great warriors of Stormwind, the brotherhood of the horse. These knights were granted power over the dead, and they spent the war combating the paladins of the grand alliance. However they were not what we would consider Death Knights today. They would charge into battle atop their horses, and fight from afar slinging spells and sending hordes of undead against their foes. They were frail fighters, you would not see them fight in close quarters very often. After the defeat of the Horde, the death knights would dissapear for a time. However their leader Terron Gorefiend had returned to Draenor and convinced the Shaman Nerzhul to lead a second assault on the world of Azeroth. The Death Knights would be seen from time to time acting as some of Nerzhul's mightiest warriors. Even traveling with him through the portal which would cause the creation of the creature known as the Lich king. These death knights would be converted into the first Liches of the Scourge, and we would see their legacy continue on for years to come. But that was not the end of the Death Knight, we would see them rise again in a new form... The second generation of Death Knights came about before Arthas had become the Lich King himself. They were great warriors of Darkness. Many fought beside the young prince in Northrend and were ultimately cut down. While Arthas was the first of this second generation, Marwyn and Falric the men who helped Arthas lead his men across Northrend followed him to the grave soon after he had retrieved the blade Frostmourne. These knights were similar to their forebears, yet unlike the Death Knights of old they took a more direct approach, charging into battle and tearing into their opponents with Unholy strength. Their Runeblades were directly tied to their very being, and these unholy weapons could continue to reap havoc even after their death. This generation is what might be considered the strongest generation of Death Knights. This is where legends such as Thassarian, Kol'tira, Baron Rivendare, or even Arthas came by their unholy might... Which brings us to... The Third Generation. These knights were the generation created by Arthas as the Lich King. They were very similar to the second generation death knights, however due to the fact that they are the most recently raised generation most consider them the weakest generation. That is not to say they can not tear through an army of the living with ease, but due to the number of them that were raised, the fact that unlike the second generation they were not tied to their weapons which in turn meant that they did not absorb the souls into their rune blades and make themselves more powerful. What they lack in power, they make up for in versatility and numbers. They are the shock troopers of the scourge, and they are not to be trifled with. The Illidari The history of the demon hunter is long, and filled with torment. These warriors are the students of Illidan, each of them are enhanced by demonic power, and have one goal. To end the legion through any cost necessary. The demon hunters of the past looked to the elder Stormrage brother's sacrifices, and often due to their own personal losses they would train in using the fel, bind a demon to their body, and blind themselves to enhance their ability to slay the creatures. Early Demon hunters would be almost exclusively Night elves. While most Demon Hunters stick to the shadows there have been a few times when they reveal themselves. For instance they fought with their brethren to defend their world during the third war. Many followed Illidan to Outland, and trained under him at the Black Temple, which is where the blood elves that fill out their ranks come from. The Demon Hunters have traversed entire worlds, slaughtering demons as they go. Each time they have fought they have made sacrifices that would cause any normal mortal to pale. They are monsters, they know they are monsters. They will pay any price to achieve their goal. So guys, here's the last thing. While I've done my best to write a brief overview of the classes, your job, for the rest of the thread until Friday which is when I will put the Straw Poll up, is to discuss these classes and make the case to your fellow forum goers as to which class is the best, and has the best story/representation in the entire warcraft franchise. Any lore for these classes is on the table! The poll will be up until Sunday! Have fun everyone. :DEding2 1d
1d Are we moving too fast? In the past expansions, namely warlords of draenor and legion, we've been told as the players that we are facing "the biggest threat ever!" Yet despite these "threats" we've been able to easily defeat the enemies. In warlords, they had a massive army, and we were able to defeat them without any major losses in battles. I know people are going to talk about the broken shore but, honestly, we were doing pretty well until the very end. We were told in the legion pre-patch the they were sending waves of armies at us, and now we're heading to Argus? This was supposed to be the biggest legion invasion ever, and we're winning? Sure we've got more people than there were in the war of the ancients, but isn't the legion supposed to be all but unending? Where are the demon armies? It just seems a little strange that after all this time we're still winning.Winianvill10 1d
1d My Big Fat Story Predictions: Compounded Ladies, Gentlemen, and Gnomes, sit back and enjoy/angrily disagree with what I think is happening/going to happen/might happen/should happen/could have possibly happened/what's happening?/happening home academy/etc. in the Warcraft universe. Bulleted for your pleasure! All signs point to N'zoth being underwater somewhere. It's likely that he's involved with the Naga turning into the fish-lizards that they are today, and will most likely show up in the next expansion. The Old Gods, so far, have each controlled an insectoid race. C'thun has the Silithid, Yogg-Saron has the Nerubians, and Y'shaarj has the Mantid. If the above theory is, in fact, correct, then the insectoid race belonging to N'zoth will most likely be aquatic. In the real world, most insects fall under the phylum of Arthropod. You know what else is an Arthropod, but isn't an insect? Crustaceans. You know that crustacean race in WoW that has little to no backstory and is just kinda all over various shores with no explanation as to why? I think the Makrura are N'zoth's insectoid race. During the Legion pre-launch event, various locales around Azeroth were attacked by the Burning Legion. However, these ceaseless attacks were never really "resolved" by the time we leave for the Broken Isles. It's my theory that attacks on the rest of Azeroth by the Burning Legion had never ceased, and continue during the events of Legion. This leads us to a world rebuilding from the Burning Legion's attack in the next expansion, and possibly a Cataclysm-like restructuring and updating of the old world... or at least some parts of it. Which leads us to the specific locations attacked during the Pre-Launch event. They are, in no particular order, as follows: Dun Morogh/Kharanos, Gadgetzan/Tanaris, Azshara/Orgrimmar, Hillsbrad Foothills/Tarren Mill, Westfall/Sentinel Hill, and Barrens/Crossroads. It's my theory that these locales, in particular, will see updates in the next expansion. Plenty of possibly storylines could be explored here, such as the Gnomes finally reclaiming Gnomergan in Dun Morogh, Worgen/Undead conflict in Hillsbrad, Goblin expansion and development in and around Azshara, reclamation and rebirth of Westfall, healing of the Barrens, and finally (my personal favorite and the one I hope happens the most) Gadgetzan turning into the sprawling port city shown in Hearthstone's expansion, "The Mean Streets of Gadgetzan". Hogger isn't dead. Again. After you defeat him in the Stockades, the warden guy (forget his name) says something along the lines of "What? You couldn't have killed him that easily!" Because we didn't. Perhaps he faked his death? Maybe he'll become a kind of martyr in prison, inspiring Gnolls of different clans to band together under his leadership? Maybe he'll escape the Stockades with the help of his followers, steal a boat, and sail to Kalimdor where he meets up with and joins the Horde? Maybe he'll be... Gnollson Mandela. It's been mentioned that one of the reasons Murlocs have been flocking to shores recently is because of their conflict with the Makrura. If the Makrura are, in fact, servants of N'zoth then that'd imply that the Murlocs are not. While I doubt we'd see a Murloc playable race, I wouldn't be surprised to see at least a Murloc faction in the next expansion. And that's everything I can think of right now! As far as I know, these are fairly unique thoughts and viewpoints, as I didn't want to spout the theories everyone already knows about (Jaina is a Dreadlord/Old Gods puppet, etc.). TL;DR - Gnollson MandelaPiffinatour5 1d
1d Ashbringer VS Scythe of Elune. The other day I got into an argument (with a Druid) as to which artifact weapon has the best story, I was personally for the ashbringer (I am not a paladin) while she argued that the scythe of Elune was infinity times the most important thing in existence. Now I will not argue it has been around longer within the Warcraft universe, but my argument is that age does not mean importance. Thoughts?Frophy24 1d
1d Jaina Proudmoore is a servant of the Old Gods During the Il'gynoth encounter, one of his whispers is "Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it". Based on the usage of the word crater, referencing what current Theramore looks like, it is likely that Il'gynoth was talking about Jaina. After the Theramore bombing, the Sunreaver's betrayal, the Broken Shore, King Anduin choosing to not go to war with the Horde, and the Kirin Tor allowing the Horde back into Dalaran, Jaina felt mad, confused, and alone, which made her easy prey for the God of the Deep. Looks like Jaina is actually only a servant for N'Zoth and not a Dreadlord like some predicted, unless...Mythelm159 1d
2d Thalyssra (Spoilers) So what do we call her now? Is it still First Arcanist Thalyssra, or do we call her Grand Magistrix Thalyssra now?Mathanar7 2d
2d Where are we getting all these soldiers? In the past few years, the factions should have used up all of their soldiers by now. First, there were the events of WC3, which caused a lot of death for most races in WoW, like the humans, high/blood elves, night elves, etc. Then in Vanilla, we fought the Dark Iron Dwarves, Ragnaros, the Dark Horde and Nefarian, the Qiraji, and Naxxramas. Then in TBC, we fought the Illidari and the Legion. Then in WoTLK, we fought the Scourge, Yogg-Saron, and the faction war started. Then in Cataclysm, there was worldwide catastrophes and we fought the Twilight's Hammer, Black Dragonflight, Twilight Dragonflgjt, fire elementals, Deathwing, and each other. Then in MoP, we fought each other, the Sha, the Mantid, the Mogu, the Zandalari, and the True Horde. Then in WoD, we fought the Iron Horde and the Legion. Then in Legion, we are fighting the Nightmare, the Nightborne, a full-scale invasion by the Legion, and we are still going to have enough forces to raid Argus. How do the factions still have enough soldiers left to fight off the Legion and other major threats?Mythelm61 2d
2d Who will reign in the Ebonblade? The Illidari have a divide in opinion that I have always found interesting. Some believe you should sacrifice everything to get victory over a foe that would see your world in destruction. Others believe if you sacrifice everything, to include your morals and the lives of innocents, then you are no different than your foe. Have the Ebonblade gone too far or are they sacrificing everything for victory? I think they have pushed things beyond acceptable limits. They're setting this prescedent that they can and will raise anyone they want. Shouldn't some people stay dead? Once we've defeated the Legion, who keeps the Ebonblade in line?Anadorei62 2d
2d DK Campaign I am totally confused.... I haven't completed it, but watched it on YouTube, because I dont really enjoy that class's play style, but I understand the four horsemen and all. However The Ebon Blade attacks the Undercity They attack Light's Hope Chapel to try and raise Tirion as a DK Wouldn't this infuriate Sylvanas and the Paladins to pretty much go to war, with the Ebon Blade again?Malëficent32 2d
2d Does poverty and hunger exist in WoW universe I mean, we're talking about a world where the edible animals are giant, where fields can grow enormous vegetables, not to mention that magic can spawn food out of thin air and can also do heaps of other stuff (blood elves even have magically-automated brooms cleaning everything so presumably a lot of menial labor can be avoided).Deandeyvia43 2d
2d Change in Stormwinds throne room Anyone notice the grand admiral in Stormwind's throne room? And the tabard they wear? (Hint: it isn't a long lost admiral from theremore). Could the island nation of Kul Tiras be making a big move with the Alliance?Reyn14 2d
2d Are Archimonde and Kil'jaeden Giants? I mean seriously how are these guys so large compared to Velen? I mean shouldn't Velen be as humongous as them? And don't say because Fel Demon powers, Gul'dan was chalk full of it and he is not a giant.Argronak28 2d
3d Marcus and the Tauren Couple I don't remember where I was... High Mountain maybe? There was a treasure chest on my minimap. This led me to a tent... As I entered the tent a human named Marcus is laying in bed with a male and female Tauren couple. Marcus rises from the bed and exits the tent while saying to himself, "Well, that was certainly unexpected." He he he, he obviously had unexpected threesome with the Tauren couple... does anyone know more about this? I think it's hilarious.Damuzî9 3d
3d Was Kil'jaeden truly on Azeroth in Warcraft 3 Just wondering if the demon lord Kil'jaeden was truly on azeroth during the time of the third war when he gave Illidan the Orb of Kil'jaeden when what I've read says he wasn't summoned to Azeroth until The Burning Crusade expansion when he was summoned (kind of) through the Sunwell so how was he there at the time to give Illidan the orbFeronis6 3d
3d Warcraft Novels - chronological order I was wondering if anyone out there had an actual list of every single Warcraft novel, and in chronological order?Mabrito2 3d
3d 7.2 Spoiler Thread 3 Creating this since Thread 2 capped.Gornur3 3d
3d Bolvar has been Lich king longer than Arthas. Found this really interesting thread on the wow reddit. Though it would be a great discussion topic for the story forum :D The 1st thread is really interesting. 3d
4d Favorite Gay characters! Hey all, Let's celebrate the gay characters in WoW! My favorites right now are the blue dragon and nightfallen who are obviously dating.Cuddlefist58 4d