Story Forum

Oct 26, 2010 Welcome: Please Read! Welcome to the Warcraft Story Forum! This forum is here as a means for players to discuss the storylines of the Warcraft universe, as told in-game and through the novels, manga, comics, and short stories that Blizzard publishes. Community forums work best when participants treat their fellow posters with respect and courtesy, so we ask that you take the time to read through the forum Code of Conduct ( and guidelines ( before posting. Important Reminders: Search The search function at the top of the World of Warcraft community site is extremely effective and robust. Before you create a new forum topic, please be use it to search for similar topics, blog posts, or web pages that may contain the answer for which you are looking. Making a new thread on an existing subject can result in your thread being deleted or, if you continue to re-post the same content, the loss of your forum privileges for spamming. Rating The forum rating system can be used to promote positive discussion, demote unhelpful comments, and even report posts that violate the forum Code of Conduct. By hovering over a post you'll be presented with several options, including a "thumbs up" (Like) and a "thumbs down" (Dislike) icon. Clicking the "thumbs up" icon will rate the post up. If enough people like a post, it will gain a Highly Rated status and appear at the top of related search results. Highly Rated posts will also have a highlighted background. Clicking the "thumbs down" icon will expand a drop-down menu which will include "Dislike," "Trolling, "Spam" and "Report" options. "Dislike" will rate the post down. If enough people dislike a post, it will be darkened, and with a lot of dislikes it will be hidden completely. You can also quickly report a post as trolling or spam, or use the report function to fill out a more comprehensive description of a violation. Please note that you can only rate each post once. Use your power wisely to help foster a positive and helpful forum community. While the community team will be moderating this forum as normal, members of the Creative Development team will also be monitoring discussions and looking for constructive feedback. Have fun posting on these forums, and good luck with your adventures in Azeroth!Lylirra1 Oct 26, 2010
Nov 9, 2010 Meet Creative Development What is Creative Development? Creative Development (CDev) is a "hub" within Blizzard, facilitating the development of ancillary products and services that tie into Blizzard's game universes. While there are several different divisions of CDev, this Warcraft Story forum focuses on the efforts of the Publishing division. What does Creative Development's Publishing division have to do with Warcraft's stories and lore? The Publishing division within Creative Development is the driving force behind every published story you've seen outside of the game: short stories, novels, comics, and manga. Who comprises the Publishing division of Creative Development? Publishing is made of two groups: Story Development: This group focuses on story idea creation, story outlining, and story development for licensed fiction, as well as for internally-written stories. Historians: This group is the repository for all Blizzard lore, providing counsel for the game development teams and the CDev Story Development group. What is the Publishing division's usual process for developing a story? Idea Generation & Outline Creation: Working with Chris Metzen and the designers on the respective game's development team, the Story Development team generates an idea and an outline for a story. The writer on the project is typically invited to our offices at this point in the project, so that they can be in on the ground floor of the story's creation. Story Development & Lore Checking: Over the course of the project, the Story Development team talks constantly with the writer, as well as with Chris Metzen and the game developers, in order to help hone the story into a Blizzard-quality tale. At the same time, our Historian team combs through the iterations of the story in order ensure that the story adheres to the universe's established canon. * Please note that the CDev Publishing division has only been fully staffed since early 2009, allowing for more resources and manpower to dedicate to each published product. What does the Publishing division hope to accomplish with this Warcraft Story forum? We'd like to give the community a chance to influence the development of our upcoming stories, so we're trying something new; this forum will serve as a direct line to our story developers. Please note that we're not looking for fully-formed stories - save those for the Global Writing Contest (which we operate and judge) - but rather we're looking for specific examples of what people like, don't like, and what they would like to see (story-wise) from us in the future. Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
May 1 Read This Before You Post For whatever reason, this forum is seeing a massive influx of new posters. Whether it's due to the imminent launch of an expansion (and the tidal wave of lore accompanying it) or just a surge of passion, I feel like I need to reiterate some ground rules and common courtesies. 1). Be Objective! Do not come into this forum and make threads that begin with "So and so is such a terrible character" or loaded questions with heavy bias, i.e. "Why is the Horde so evil?" Doing so is just going to incite other posters an inevitably turn the thread into a flame war. On certain occasions this can also be grounds for disciplinary action. Play nice and keep an open mind. We're here to discuss story elements, not argue over opinions. Try to think like a writer. This is especially true for highly controversial topics like the Forsaken. 2). This Forum Is Not For Fan-Made Fiction! Despite what the name may imply, the Story Forum is not for sharing or discussing fan-made material. It is for discussing officially sanctioned lore/stories only. In short, if it doesn't have a Blizzard logo, it doesn't belong here. That doesn't mean you're forbidden from linking any fiction you may have written (it can be useful in explaining your position on a topic, for instance) or posting the odd paragraph; however, copying large amounts of text or creating threads specifically for any fiction you've written will be deleted or moved. If you want to discuss your own material please take it to the fine folks at the World's End Tavern Forum (otherwise known as the RP forum): 3). If You Have A Question, Chances Are Someone Else Has Already Asked It World of Warcraft has a lot of content, and the expanded universe of Warcraft as a whole has even more. However, there are several very popular topics that get addressed again and again. Before you create a new thread please check through the past few pages to see if there's already an existing thread on your topic. Not only does this keep the forum nice and tidy but it benefits you as well. Long threads tend to already have a very healthy discussion of its topic, and you may find through reading it that your particular insight has already been brought up, discussed, and concluded. If not, it's always better to stimulate an existing discussion than to try and start a new one from scratch. Don't worry, those of us who frequent this forum do carefully read each others posts. You don't need to start a new thread to draw attention. Furthermore, the regulars of this forum get very sick of answering the same questions all day long. I know the Search function hasn't always been the kindest tool, but again please take a few moments to quickly browse through the first few pages. 4). We Are Not Your Personal Encyclopedia On that note, this is not a Q&A forum. Think of it like a book club. You wouldn't show up to your group meeting and then start asking everyone what happened in the last chapter. You're expected to do your own research before coming here and opening topics for discussion. If you're looking for some direction there are many very helpful resources at your disposal: The Story Starter Guide, a sticky at the top of this forum. It includes information and links to out-of-game novels that are a great investment if you're interested in the lore of Warcraft: WoWPedia (formally WoWWiki), a crowd-sourced wiki on nearly everything you could possibly want to know about the Warcraft universe. A superb first-stop and excellent reference material for discussions: TvTropes, while not specific to Warcraft or Blizzard, is a great way to familiarize yourself with various writing or storytelling techniques. Potentially confusing points in the story of Warcraft can seem much more approachable when you realize it's all just part of a larger plan, and many posters on this forum like to reference popular tropes. Be warned, this website will devour countless hours of your time: That said, if there's something that's notably vague or unclear, by all means bring it up! Just avoid questions that can be solved easier and quicker with a search engine than a forum post. 5). Back Up What You Have To Say Be clear and concise with what you're trying to say and provide as much source material as is helpful. The more information you provide, the easier it will be for others to understand and respond to what you are trying to say. This is especially true for potentially obscure in-game quests. 6). This Is A Warcraft Forum Blizzard has many successful franchises with many rich, engaging stories. However, this is a Warcraft forum. Any threads pertaining to Starcraft, Diablo, or any other Blizzard product aren't allowed. Each of those games has their own forums specifically dedicated for their own lore. The Starcraft lore forum can be found here: Diablo lore can be discussed on the Legacy forum here: 7). Have Fun! This forum enjoys a very close relationship with its posters. Everyone here loves the work that Blizzard does, and on some level yearns to make it better. So be respectful to your fellow posters and don't make inflammatory attacks against Blizzard or members of its staff. This forum has a rather unique dynamic that is much... healthier than other forums, so don't come in here with a poisonous attitude. New ideas or insights are always welcome, as are humor and witty banter. Engage in topics that you find really exciting, but don't openly scoff at those that don't. Don't be afraid to change your mind. The past, present, and future are all fair game. Just be mindful of the rules and common courtesies, and above all else, have fun geeking out. Oh, and the Like and Dislike buttons exist for a reason!Odok112 May 1
Nov 9, 2010 Story Starter Guide Looking for more Warcraft information, but don't know where to start? Whether you've played Warcraft I, II, or III, these books will showcase the people and events that have shaped the Warcraft universe over the last few (in-game) decades: Rise of the Horde by Christie Golden - Set before the orcs invade Azeroth for the first time, this story explores what the orc race was like before its clans were forged into a single savage Horde under the influence of the demonic Burning Legion. Part of the novel focuses on the orc Orgrim Doomhammer and his childhood friend, Durotan (who would later become Thrall's father). Other parts of the story depict the aging shaman Ner'zhul; his ambitious apprentice, Gul'dan; the mighty Grommash Hellscream; the wise draenei leader, Velen; and several other significant characters. The Last Guardian by Jeff Grubb - This is a good introduction to older human history in Warcraft, with emphasis on the events of the First War (Warcraft I). Medivh, the Guardian of Tirisfal, decides to take on an apprentice: the young mage Khadgar. As time goes on, Khadgar learns that a half-orc named Garona is acting as a secret emissary to the nation of Stormwind. While he and Garona try to reach an understanding, Khadgar realizes that Medivh's behavior is growing increasingly erratic. Ultimately he and Sir Anduin Lothar, the childhood friend of both Medivh and King Llane Wrynn of Stormwind, reach a terrible realization: Medivh, an incredibly powerful wizard, is under the control of Sargeras, Destroyer of Worlds, creator of the demonic Burning Legion. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Beyond the Dark Portal by Aaron Rosenberg and Christie Golden – Currently Out of Stock in Blizzard Store, but can be found on here: This is a good introduction to Alliance and Horde history during the events of Warcraft IIx. Instead of starting a new war, the shaman Ner'zhul has decided to open dimensional rifts from the orc homeworld of Draenor into fresh new worlds to conquer. Horrified at the possibility, Sir Lothar's former lieutenant, the human paladin Turalyon, leads an Alliance expedition into Draenor to stop Ner'zhul. With Turalyon are the mage Khadgar and the ranger Alleria Windrunner (the older sister of Sylvanas and Vereesa). Alleria and Turalyon began falling in love with one another in the Second War, but Alleria turned her back on Turalyon after the Horde invaded Quel'Thalas and killed many of her people. In the midst of battle on an alien world, can their relationship be mended? And can the Alliance expedition reach Ner'zhul in time to stop the Horde from bringing death and destruction into new worlds? Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden - This story depicts the life of Warchief Thrall, starting only a short while after Thrall was born. Raised among humans as a slave, Thrall became a master gladiator before deciding that he would escape his slavery. The story depicts Thrall's subsequent friendship with Grom Hellscream, as well as Thrall's journey to rejoin his clan and master the shamanic arts. When a disguised Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer provokes Thrall into a challenge to single combat, Thrall fights his first truly momentous battle: a fight whose consequences will change the course of history. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King by Christie Golden - Currently Out of Stock in Blizzard Store, but can be found on here: This story explores the life and character of Prince Arthas Menethil leading up to the events of the Third War (Warcraft III) and Warcraft IIIx. As the plague of undeath ravaged Lordaeron, fear and desperation drove the prince to more ruthless measures until he had utterly lost his way. The story also explores the romance he shared with Lady Jaina Proudmoore, in addition to the unrequited love that the high elf prince, Kael'thas Sunstrider, bore for Jaina. The above stories are but the tip of the iceberg.Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
5m Baine and others got their models updated... Baine, Nathanos, Galliwix, Slyvanas got their models updated to WOD/Legion/BFA standards. So whats taking so long for Tyrande, Mekkatorque, and Muradin Bronzebeard? Tyrande is dated in that she's just a hi res, hd version of the Original Vanilla model of Night Elf females. Mekkatorque is still wearing Vanilla tier outfit. And Muradin still does not look like how he does in HOTS, same for Tyrande I wish they both look like this by now: 5m
5m 7.3.5: The Most Evil Alliance Quest Ever? Alliance and Horde are at peace. So of course Alliance players are tasked to go murder a ton of Horde CIVILIANS! I guess we know what started the BFA war, it was the Alliance going on a naked murder spree against Horde civilians. 5m
10m Alliance Leadership Does anybody find it odd that the leader of the Alliance is Anduin? I mean, his father made a lot of sense, but Anduin does not. Here is my thinking: Varian passed away, King of Stormwind and leader of the Alliance. Anduin obviously should become the new King of Stormwind, but not leader of the Alliance. That position should go to somebody with experience. My vote would be with Tyrande Wisperwind. She's a powerful general, has many years of experience leading her army into war, thousands of years of experience leading her people alone. It would be nice to see one of the other Allied races take charge. Anduin will make a fine King, and possibly a good leader for the Alliance eventually, but I don't think he's the wisest choice at this time. Besides, how cool would it be to see a Tyrande and Sylvannas firing arrows back and forth at one another? Tyrande was known as being an archer early in Warcraft and even back in Vanilla. I'd still place my gold on the Dark Lady though. Also, why did they swap the side that her nose ring was on? That seems odd. Check out the WC3 box cover vs her Legion Cinematic cutscene.Sinia115 10m
13m Epilogue Cutscenes (Spoilers) Alliance Horde 13m
19m Sylvanas: The Player's Biggest Fan! Does any racial leader like The Player as much as Sylvanas does? Her underlings are constantly saying "I don't think you should be here, but Sylvanas personally requested you". In Cata, she has heart-to-heart chats with The Player many times, and lets them in on her schemes to the point they are arguably her closest confidant that expansion. How much Sylvanas likes/trusts The Player is really hammered home repeatedly in 7.3.5 quests though. Gallywix doesn't want The Player involved in Silithis, but Sylvanas actually pulls rank on him because she likes The Player being her personal champion so much. Then when The Player finishes the Silithis questing, they are told to bring word of what is going on down there to Sylvanas, because EVERYONE knows how much she trusts/loves The Player.Threeslotbag27 19m
20m NELF Male Hunters? Are their any Male night elf hunters or archers in WoW that exist in the lore or even in the actual world? Curious because I can't seem to find any NPCs and it feels like the only nelf male hunters are players. If this isn't true someone point me in the right direction!!Blocasaurus9 20m
23m "Muh Land Rights" This expression indicates a Sylvanas fan's confusion and lack of understanding. When confronted with something he cannot understand or respond to, Sylvanas fans mumble, "Muh Land Rights" or "Muh Land Rights, Alliance dog." This is usually followed by "WE WUZ LORDAERONIANS" and a soap box rant about Genn Greymane.Entose57 23m
26m Genn's influence over Anduin I just had this thought. You know how Genn has a huge influence on Anduin. And Anduin basically listens to Genn. Even the spymaster has to ask Genn for permission to talk to the king, which wouldn't be the case if Varian was the king still. So what if "The boy king serves at the master's table" means that Anduin serves at the Genn's table, and Genn is the master.Empathetic22 26m
33m "Three lies will he offer you." "The first of his lies has been offered." As a goblin, I have enought experience to say that Gallywix told a lie to Sylvanas at her table. I have nothing more to say.Zoreiacura21 33m
46m Can’t we just be “bad guys?” Together we shall avail this world of the wicked… *crunch munch nomnomnom* Ew stop that will you! For the sake of Azeroth and the Light: The Alliance and Horde shall cleanse… *scrunchy munchy nomnom* Ugh I give up! The Forsaken are Evil – (well duh!) Cannibalism kinda negates any sort of lawful goodness my character does…thank goodness! My narrative point being that I often feel as a Forsaken that we are pigeon holed into a campaign of goodness when my dark heart wants to act differently. Not speaking for Horde in general – though there could be similar comparisons for other races.Haella15 46m
50m Shaw Is Gonna Be High King He had a speaking part. Stormwind Humans can't seem to get development with Anduin in the picture. We saw in the Alliance cinematic that Blizz is setting Shaw up to take Anduins place and make way for more Alliance development. Better late than never, Blizz. We know, as leader of the SI:7, Shaw is inclusive of all the Alliance races. We saw a Dwarf in a leadership position in Legion before the Horde cut his head off for Nathanos. We saw multiple Gnomes, active in the world under Shaw's leadership. He even inspires normally reclusive Nelves to come out of their shell and get involved in the multi-national Alliance organization.Jacksprat12 50m
1h Story Forum Community Lounge 138 Link to the Archive: Link to the last lounge: Story Forum Discord: 1) The thread must be called "Story Forum Community Lounge" followed by its number. 2) No serious lore discussion. 3) No hating, flaming, or serious debates unless all sides wish to engage in the talk. 4) You must post these rules in the Original Post, so all can see the rules in future lounge. Neat, I've never capped out a thread before.Kelrexia206 1h
1h True Owners of Lordaeron You people are blind. Clearly Lordaeron belongs to the best race on Azeroth...The Tuskarr, obviously.Hortonn14 1h
1h Anduin's expression upon seeing Azerite His facial expression upon seeing the mineral is a mixture of fear, anger and awe. Looked almost as if he knew what it was exactly but didn't want to show anyone he did. Or perhaps he felt some sinister power when he touched it. If he knew what it was but didn't want others to know he did, then perhaps there is something secretive about him that we don't know yet. He's a priest. What if he secretly taps into shadow sometimes and heard voices seeking to talk to him? if he felt some sinister power or influence when touching it then what could that mean? What if it's not Azeroth's blood but the Old Gods or something. Or perhaps a mixture of both bloods as the Azerite looks both blue and yellow.Empathetic39 1h
1h Leper Gnomes as Allied Race? While I was questing in Tirisfal I realized that the Leper Gnomes that are part of the Horde and joined Sylvannas might be able to be an allied race. Reasons: 1- They already have apperances since vanilla, so it's not a crazy idea to have them. 2- They live in Undercity and are directly related to the Forsaken, considering BfA start is kind of about allies ,I can see a good point of eventually having them. 3- They have already sworn fealty to Sylvannas since Vanilla, and she is now the Warchief so... 4- Alliance is receiving a sub race of Blood Elfs and Horde get one of night elfs, so it's not unthinkable that the Horde gets Leper Gnomes What do you think about Leper Gnomes as an allied race?Gagaska11 1h
5h What death knight races REALLY make sense? Wanting to make a death knight but some of the races just don't make sense lore wise to me. Draenei- if deaenei distrust/dislike dark magic things. warlocks/dks/demons and dk's are stripped from the light can they not use gift of the naaru anymore? Worgen- I thought if you were cursed to be worgen you cant become an undead? Undead- So they double die to the lich king? Lore wise what DK's make the most sense? besides humans and orcs?Phyxotica126 5h
5h Tyrande: Worst Legion Character Seriously, did she do anything useful or important besides being selfish and a btch to other people? No wonder why the Nightborne joined the horde. all the suramar world quests for example scream tyrande is just a bad person. Hell just finished up argus stuff (LFR since I atm am a filthy casual) and she was even a !@#$ about Illidans crystal. At least Malfurion gave it -some- thought. even in WC3 she was horrible. Legion was attacking, and Malf was like "We should work with the alliance and horde to defeat the legion! (logic) and she was like "I don't like dem >:(" Can she just get exploded or burn with teld and leave malf as the sole NE leader? He at least doesn't completely suck at diplomacy.Riahen49 5h
5h Baine is gonna be Warchief. I said it before and I'll say it again. I am calling it here. Slyvanas is gonna be a raid boss. With Anduin leading the charge against her on the Alliance side and Baine leading the Horde side. Azerite will corrupt her and become mad. And after her defeat Baine becomes Warchief of the Horde and peacefully ends the War by shaking hands with Anduin. And I am all in favor of Baine being Warchief. !@#$ that Dark Elf Witch, the Horde will regain its honor and glory with Baine on the chair.Argronak116 5h
7h Why I like Silithus. What's this? An optimistic post in this miserable cesspool of soulsucking bitterness? Crazy, right? No but seriously. With the recent release of 7.3.5, there's been a lot of talk about the fact that the Alliance initiates conflict around Silithus by killing Goblin workers. I'm going to explain why I think the Alliance massacring those little booger people is a good thing. Think about it - what is the most common criticism of the Alliance? They're too pure, too lawful good almost to the point of absurdity. Though I'd disagree with that, I think the Alliance often does bad things, the problem really lies with the fact that they're glossed over too hard by the narrative. But that's not the point. The point is, fans of all factions have wished for the Alliance to get a little more interesting. Dip their toe into darker waters, without losing the core identity of the faction. And that's where Silithus provides. Waltzing into a Goblin camp and slaughtering their miners is pretty bad, but think about it from SI:7's point of view. Azerite is important. As Sylvanas says, it will "change everything". It's clearly related to the giant sword sticking out of the planet, and one can feel it's raw power merely by touching it. Obviously, the Alliance can't let the Horde have carte blanche on this new powerful resources, so what are they to do? From the Alliance perspective, the Horde can't be trusted, and they can't be left alone with all this Azerite, so an attack is the only choice. Now obviously, that's a biased point of view. Horde fans may disagree, and they should. But that's not the point. The point is, it's the Alliance doing something shady, but with a practical and even somewhat reasonable (when you think about it from their perspective) cause to do so without coming off as mustache twirling !@#$%^-s. It's exactly what so many people have been asking for, and it's a way to start the war in Battle for Azeroth that doesn't paint either side as comically evil or drooling idiots. Just two opposing factions with a history of mistrust and hatred, fighting over a world-changing resources. Did I just make a serious post? !@#$ing gross. I feel dirty inside.Valko5 7h
7h Player Class I know that certain classes on both alliance and horde may be deemed controversial, I am pretty sure both factions just "use" these classes for their own gain not because the tolerate them but despite that, which are considered the top evil classes in the game? Lorewise. I am guessing death knight will be honorable mentions?Gurutikka6 7h
7h 7.3.5 Spoilers: Visions of Ogmot Lots of callbacks to Il'gynoth's whispers. Also, a number of references to everyone's favorite one-eyed talking knife.Gao215 7h
8h Liu Lang's Seven Priests I was reading the Wowpedia article on Liu Lang and read an intriguing detail: ... Is there a source and more information regarding this? I searched on google and apparently it's related to the elements on the turtle's back. I would like to learn more.Audríel1 8h
8h Updated Chronological order of WoW Novels. Alright after several hours of scouring the web I have tracked down what I am extremely confident is the full chronological order of the WoW Novels for anyone who may wish to catch up on their lore. I am not going to include the mangas,short stories, etc. on the list at the moment this is purely just the novels. (Most people including myself recommend reading them in this order as well) 1. WarCraft Chronicle Volume 1 2. Rise of the Horde by Christie Golden 3. The Last Guardian by Jeff Grubb 4. Tides of Darkness by Aaron Rosenburg 5. Beyond the Dark Portal by Christie Golden & Aaron Rosenburg 6. Day of the Dragon by Richard A. Knaak !! The War of the Ancients Trilogy takes place before Rise of the Horde but it is highly recommended that you read it after having read Day of the Dragon which is why I have the trilogy listed as 6,7,8 instead of 1,2,3. 7. War of the Ancients: The Well of Eternity by Richard A. Knaak 8. War of the Ancients: The Demon Soul by Richard A. Knaak 9. War of the Ancients: The Sundering by Richard A. Knaak 10. Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden 11. Of Blood and Honor by Chris Metzen 12. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King by Christie Golden 13. Illidan by William King 14. Cycle of Hatred by Keith DeCandido 15. Night of The Dragon by Richard A. Knaak 16. Stormrage by Richard A. Knaak 17. The Shattering: Prelude to Cataclysm by Christie Golden 18. Wolfheart by Richard A Knaak 19. Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects by Christie Golden 20. Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War by Christie Golden 21. Dawn of the Aspects by Richard A. Knaak 22. Vol'Jin: Shadows of the Horde by Michael A. Stackpole 23. War Crimes by Christie Golden Important if you plan to purchase: There are three books that will include 3-4 stories in one book I am adding them to this to help you save money so you can buy one of these rather than purchase each book individually. The name of these are: 1. World of Warcraft: Chronicles of War - Includes Rise of the Horde, The Last Guardian,Tides of Darkness, and lastly, Beyond the Dark portal 2. World of Warcraft: Archive - Day of the Dragon, Lord of the Clans, The Last Guardian, and lastly, Of Blood and Honor 3. WarCraft War of The Ancients Archive - Includes WotA(War of the Ancients): The Well of Eternity, WotA: The Demon Soul, WotA: The Sundering Extra things worth noting Several times throughout the books some of them will reference events in the other books that arent necessarily in the chronological order of which the book was published hence why this list was created to help clean that up a bit for your reading pleasure. However if anyone wants me to add the date published of the books happy to do so. If you have any other info you think I should add in that people should know please leave a comment and I will add it as soon as I can. Happy book hunting and enjoy the reading! :) **Rendford in the Story Forum made a post with this link and figured since this is a novel post afterall why not add it here for you guys to get a taste of the new book Illidan by William King which takes place after the events of Arthas: Rise of The Lich King and goes into detail Illidans plight in Outland. Its the prelude and chapter 1 of the new book enjoy! 8h
8h Gimmie more Gallywix Sleeze I dunno about you guys, but I really like what we saw of Gallywix recently. I know a lot of people dislike him (and rightfully so) but if he can get some more time in the spotlight, he could become a favorite character of mine... Something about that casual hum to himself as he approaches Sylvanas, that scummy smile on his face, the !@#$le of his jowls, his general demeanor... I'd like to see more of that representing the Horde in contrast to who's been getting screen time.Nioruf10 8h
9h Most annoying characters -Sylvanas -Tyrande -Moira -Vereesa -Calia -Garona -Aegwynn -AggraEntose25 9h
9h The State of: Velen Let me start off that this is my favorite racial leader, and I knew that one day when we got a Legion themed expansion that it would be his time to shine, and shine he did. He is to this expansion what Vol’jin was to MoP. He got the most story development of all the characters and was essentially the ringleader for our fight against the Legion. Did it succeed? Well, it brings me great joy to answer with a solid, resounding, “yes”. Yes it did. To me, Velen is what brought the story of this expansion back from the chaotic mess it was left in at launch.(Abcence of any actual legion throughout most of the questing, needless subplots, poor character usage, ect.). The second he came into the story at lvl 102(or earlier if you’re a priest) he essentially took it and was just like: “If no one else shall make this LEGION story arc about the LEGION, then I shall do so myself” And he pretty much picked up the disjointed mess and healed it from the brink with the power of the light. And for the entire 2nd half of the expansion, he took us on a wonderful journey through his regrets, his fears, and his sorrow. We really got to dig into the psychy of the mighty, all-knowing, prophet, who was once the wisest and most powerful of the 3 Eredar rulers on Argus. We got to delve into his past, his history, how he and his bretheren were before Sargeras’s coming, how he escaped his world, how his departure impacted the denizens of Argus as well as his relationship with his best friend, Kil’Jaden. It was such a beautifully told story, during the invasion of the Exodar when he realizes who Rakeesh is, that final touching moment of closure between him and Kil’jaden, the raw emotion displayed when he finally returns to his home world. You feel it all and you feel how much he has suffered over the years. His family was taken from him and his son was tourtured and raised for 10000 years to eventually kill his father by the one who used to be his closest friend. It was just so beautiful and very well done. What was escpecially astounding was just the voice acting, by god David Shaughnessy did such a fantastic job conveying the emotion of a character who’s faith has been tested for thousands of years yet still clings onto it. Now even though there was no saving his world, he finally found peace within his soul (at least for the most part, we can’t really confirm whether or not Rakeesh may actually return due to being a Man’ari and not being killed in the twisting nether) and his main story arc is pretty much over. What more lies in store for our favorite prophet? I cannot say. He stated that he’s going to focus on being an advisor for Anduin but it feels like Greymane is sorta taking that role. In fact, I don’t think Velen and Anduin shared a single moment in Legion, other than agreeing on not attacking the Horde at the beginning of the expansion. Though I feel he might run into a similar problem as Sylvanas in that he might have a hard time finding a purpose after his main foe has been vanquished. But she sorta found work again when they brought Greymane back into the story and brought up the reality that her kind will eventually rot away. The only route I can see them taking Velen is if obviously a certain demon son of his returns from the nether in a universe where the Legion is now defunct or continuing to be Anduin’s tutor in the ways of the light. We do know from the Anduin comic that he will have a role in the final battle, whatever it may be, when Anduin is an old man. I am interested to see what the future holds for our great prophet for he is one of the more interesting and badass racial leaders with his strength in the light and his vast knowledge of the cosmos.Pyrogar17 9h
10h The Cloud... (Spoilers) Someone just help me understand... when did the Sargeras cloud engulf Azeroth? In all the shots of Az even while questing on Argus you don't see this cloud... And now Sargeras is this cloud and hes been humping us this entire time? Something doesn't add up ...Mércénáryz33 10h
10h What do you predict about bfa Heres how i think the story will unfold. Heres how i think the story will go. 8.0.-kultiras and zandalar 8.0.5.-mini patch- lost isles-hobgoblin and pygmy playable races. 8.1.-first tier patch facing off ashara, as well as the exploration of the under water dephs of the naga city. Possibly a jinyu and tuskkar race that becomes playable to guide us through the depths. 8.1.5.-break in combat and we will probably visit plundar isles to find more allies and build up on our navy. 8.2.0-we journey to nyalotha-here is where we will face off against n'zoth, but it may trigger something. This will be the second tier raid. Perhaps this is where the naga will join us as a neutral race. 8.2.5.-we return to the surface and head over to tel'abim just to cover more grounds. As well as possibly recruiting hozen for the horde and possibly something else for the alliance. 8.3.0-from here i think it is likely that we may face off against all of the old gods, a 5th old god, or something new. This is going to be where the final raid tier takes place. Perhaps stopping the corruption of azeroth herself. 8.3.5.-aftermath and a new isle discovered.perhaps new allies tthat will set up off towards our next journey. 8.4.0.-last patch for bfa and a scenario that leads to the next expansion. In my opinion, these zones will all be covered in bfa because this is our naval expansion. Perhaps another will come directly after covering the forbidden and veiled sea that leads to the other side of azerothChåoslord35 10h
11h Anduin is a Good Character I am continuing this discussion over to the story forums, as it's nearly run its course over in GD, and I also want to see other opinions. The thread received generally positive comments in regards to Anduin. Basically what the title says. I've always been interested in the story of a kid growing up in the world of Azeroth, finding his place, and then simultaneously being pressured into other roles, especially by the father. This is a story that can relate to many different people. Also, what makes him interesting is him struggling under the weight of his crown, on top of struggling with the death of his father. Another thing that I find interesting is his relationships with the Horde, specifically how he finds the good in both Baine and Thrall, where Varian could see none. Lastly, Anduin is interesting to me in his own right simply because there are so many venues that his character to go, and that keeps the reader looking for more. There is something that is very special to players who have known him since Vanilla, and casually walked passed him while playing Alliance, doing the Onyxia quest chain, or simply enjoying Stormwind Keep. There is a very special connection players who have played Alliance since Vanilla have towards him, mainly because he grew up with us, and that is something no other character in WoW can match. Feel free to discuss, agree or disagree!Baultenn129 11h
12h Fel taint gone in Void Elves. Is the void extremely good at removing fel taint or what? Blood Elves have been infused with the Sunwells light for years but it still needs more time to remove the fel taint. But Void Elves immediately after conversion lose their fel green eyes.Rivendel6 12h
13h Where is the human lore overexposure? Throughout the forums I constantly see posts about humans being overexposed in the Alliance narrative, which is actually confusing to me because that has definitely not been the case. Are people perhaps confusing the overall narrative for just the setting? Because I do agree that humans on the Alliance have dominated the setting. A lot of the interactions we see are in Stormwind, a lot of the architecture is human in nature (although a lot of it was Dwarven too but it's hard to tell), and we are ultimately being led by two humans (Khadgar/Turalyon). Still, the only major human-centric Alliance narrative in the last two expansions has been Anduin Wrynn's succession after his father and the consequent exploration of his doubts, and as we saw lately, his resolve as king and leader to the Alliance. You can also tack on Genn's involvement in Stormheim as Worgen are still ultimately human. In Warlords, most of the lore development revolved around the Draenei and the Orcs. The garrison aesthetic was Human inspired, with the Horde's being orcish. This was probably a callback to Orcs vs Humans. What story revolved around humans though? The major story points surrounded Draenei and Yrel, as well as Orcs even for the Alliance. Both factions were led by Khadgar. He may be a human but his development isn't human development. It's just... Khadgar. In Legion, the lore development revolved around a new race of Tauren, Night Elves, dead Night Elf Highborne, Draenei, Broken Draenei, Void Draenei, the first Void High Elf, and lots of Night Elf/Blood Elf demon hunters. Humans appeared in Khadgar and Turalyon, which again were for both factions. Khadgar represented the neutral Dalaran which houses both factions, and Turalyon represented Draenei not humans. We had lots of human involvement in the class halls, mostly due to the fact that Warcraft as a setting was heavily human-based all the way through Warcraft 3. It was also Orc based but a lot of that has been since retconned and reinvented. Naturally they'll use human lore to continue the story. They created some new ones (such as the hunter class hall) but the point does stand. The depictions do heavily involve humans. Still none of the humans were of any consequence. Just depictions, but never any actual lore development for the human factions. What I'm seeing here is people confusing human exposure in the setting to that of the story. There's a lot of humans in the background, and some even on the leadership, but the humans as a faction themselves have yet to have development. We're finally moving the story of humans forward with reclaiming Gilneas and Stromgarde, fighting for Lordaeron, and re-establishing contact with Kul Tiras. Yes it's true that the depictions will still involve humans, but this time it's actually relevant to the story. This is a good thing. This also means that the lore that actually involves non-humans will have non-human depictions. I'm hoping that the resistance of the Night Elves in Kalimdor will show us the Night Elves in all their glory, along with the new Allied Races. Void Elf vs Nightborne in Ashenvale anyone? We apparently recruit the Dark Iron. Perhaps the invasion of Lordaeron will heavily feature the Dark Irons themselves and possibly even the Wildhammer given the proximity of their bases? Perhaps now those factions will get a chance to shine, independently of the human depictions. In the same vein, we'll finally get some development for the human faction which has stalled since the early days of Mists of Pandaria.Mythlos80 13h
13h Canon artifact wielders OBVIOUS SPOILER Now that we know how the artifact weapon are depowered, we also learned who the "canonical" of several of the artifact weapons. Morgraine got Apocalypse T'uure went to Ishanah Vargoth got Aluneth Korvas got the Vengence artifact weapon Iron Body Ponshu got the mistweaver one Reshal *sic* got the moonkin artifact Who else do you think deserves to have gotten the "canon role" of having the artifact weapons/do you think the current know ones fit the artifact they wield?Zerde68 13h
14h Main charcaters in BFA by Wowpedia false? I am just asking this because for some reason Wowpedia lists the Main Characters for Battle for Azeroth as: Anduin, Slyvanas, Jaina, AND Thrall and Vol'jin? Yeah I call doubt into this, where was Thrall and Vol'jin referenced anywhere in Blizzcon revealing BFA? And why isn't Genn listed as a main character aswell? Also interestingly enough Wrathion is also involved. How much this is true aswell is doubtful.Argronak7 14h
14h Who Is Excited To Murder Their Class Hall? In BFA it's all out faction war, and most Class Hall heroes were faction loyalists in the past. Many of them will obviously return to their faction and start trying to murder your friends worldwide. It's going to be a little weird murdering my actual followers though. I'll have no regrets beheading the traitorous (and annoying) Nighthuntress Syrenne, but Haudron has served me well and I'll feel a little bad when I kill him next time he tries to stop me from killing Lor'themar in Silvermoon.Threeslotbag97 14h
15h Narrative Disconnect due to novels? I was almost half tempted to post this in general but I figured here would be more appropriate. I have felt for a while now that while novels are great, and the business strategy of Blizz diversifying the Warcraft IP into different mediums makes sense, I feel like there is a narrative disconnect due to the books being set in the current WoW era. I thought only a handful of players held this opinion until a recent youtube video & its comments showed me otherwise: The story that is relevant to the current era, even if in a novel, SHOULD be shown in game, even if its in a series of cut scenes unlockable by a quest line. Otherwise it feels like the player is being cheated out of narrative or, at worst, that the WoW CDev & franchise managment team really doesn't care all that much for the player to experience the relevant story to the game Please don't misunderstand me, I think that more Warcraft books should come out, especially since Chronicle has given us a more firm time line and literally thousands of years in the setting for potential stories to tell, but that's just it. Such new books should be set in the past, give us more background and not be vital plot information for an upcoming expansion. The recent in-game epilogue cinematics for Legion are a very welcome step in the right direction, IMHO, and Christie Golden's writing shine there-- We need more of this so that the average player, not just lore hounds, can experience the story, especially with Blizz seeming to get their act more together far as writing goes. P.S. Let me quickly follow this up this by saying that I greatly enjoy the books (for the most part) by Christine Golden and Knaak. This is not a post to trivialize or denigrate any of their writing, as it is pretty great for the most part! I'll repeat myself and stress it: One of my main other hobbies is reading fiction, fantasy being one of my chief joys. This is not a post to complain about reading, I do not want Warcraft licensed novels, comics, manga etc to go away in the least.Arthedin5 15h
16h Tinfoil theory: why Vol'jin chose Sylvanas What if Vol'jin chose sylvanas because she is most likely to stoke the flames of war and Vol'jin made a deal with Bwomsamdi where more souls delivered to him would power Vol'jin's resurrection?Gunnarr7 16h
17h Order Zone to Learn WoW Story Is there any guide to know the order of the expansions? I started at Warlords so now that I want to level a new character, I wish to follow a story progression in the order of the zones I choose because experience is not a concern for me. I know that after Pandaria is Warlords and then Legion (and then would be Battle for Azeroth) but the previous expansions order I don't know. ThxAntimahuida8 17h
22h Loa of Light? I've been thinking a bit about troll priests who use holy magic. As I understand it, priests in troll society are pretty much an offshoot of shamans; whereas shamans and mages get their powers from Loa associated with elementals or the arcane, priests get their power from Loa associated with shadow or light. But are any Loa associated with the Light? Do the trolls have, say, a sun-god?Gibbons27 22h
23h Before the Storm's timeline Now that we have seen the epilogue, it makes me wonder exactly when Before the Storm is in the timeline. The preview show Sylvanas only about to begin preparation for celebrating the Legion's defeat where as in the cinematic said celebration has already started.Zerde4 23h
1d High Elves Have Officially Joined The Horde! Let's be honest. The Blood Elves died at the end of BC when the Sunwell was relit and they stopped having a single Blood Elf trait other than wearing red underwear. They lost 99% of their edginess along with most of the iconic Blood Elf characters like Kael'thas and Liadrin (who turned into a Draenei). Now, the sketchy, edgy, "Purple Blood Elves" have joined the Alliance, and we might as well admit the Blood Elves are dead. The nice, good, Light-worshiping High Elves are the race that is currently Horde.Threeslotbag79 1d
1d What mysteries are left in WoW? Now that so much has been explained in-game and in Chronicles, what genuine unknown mysteries are there still left in the Warcraft universe? Some: What exactly is Elune? How were Trolls originated? (I believe we have canonical explanations for every other intelligent race) How do Old Gods manifest on worlds? What exactly is Xal'atath?Byniri49 1d
1d So, where are our parents? We obviously came from SOMEWHERE and we're not just beings that were formed from the gods or anything. Where are our parents that are supposed to be proud of us and glad to see their young Blood Elf killing Human scum? Any thoughts on this?Jellytress49 1d
1d Best way to catch up on lore? Hi all, I've played on and off and on and off...since beta of Vanilla, but I've forgotten or never really learned any considerable lore. Are there any websites, books, videos, etc., that can take me from "In the beginning..." to "...and soon WoD!"? Thanks!Hoylegu13 1d
1d Balance Druid Lore I am aware that the whole Balance theme that they’ve been going for since Vanilla isn’t going to change just because I feel weird about it but I have to ask. What’s the deal? What I’ve always gathered from Druids is that they’re all about Life magic. You know like flora and fauna. How does celestial solar/lunar power fit into that? I know, I know, “Elune”. But all the signs are pointing to Elune and Anshe being Light beings, not Druidic beings. The “priests” of Elune. The fact that Elune is believed to be a Naaru. Elune having something to do with the ordering of Light and Shadow. Anshe being the power behind the Tauren Paladins. And then they’re using all this Arcane magic. I mean what’s up with that? You see all those “Astromancers” that use the same kind of celestial Arcane magic. Which makes sense because the Titans are Arcane beings that are from space and use space power. Also, Night Elves (who along with Tauren made Druidism) are very against Arcane magic. The Highborne are really looked down upon for it. So now Balance Druids are these weird Druid/Light Priest/Mage combos. Again, I know it’s not going to completely change but wouldn’t it have been so much cooler if Balance Druids were all about Nature/Plant based attacks? Like more stuff like entangling roots.Wereberius6 1d
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1d Which WoW Class Would You Choose to Live As? This is a take off of Vïntic's thread about WoW races. I wanted to ask a similar question as shown in the title: In the wild and woolly world of Azeroth you, yes you, the typist, are sucked in and can choose any class to play as. Remember this is the world where certain Rogues can step through shadows to take people out. You can summon demons with the wave of your hand to eat your enemies. As a Warrior you have the capability to leap great bounds to hit people with your weapon. If you had your choice, which class would you choose to live as?Vikander54 1d