Story Forum

Oct 26, 2010 Welcome: Please Read! Welcome to the Warcraft Story Forum! This forum is here as a means for players to discuss the storylines of the Warcraft universe, as told in-game and through the novels, manga, comics, and short stories that Blizzard publishes. Community forums work best when participants treat their fellow posters with respect and courtesy, so we ask that you take the time to read through the forum Code of Conduct ( and guidelines ( before posting. Important Reminders: Search The search function at the top of the World of Warcraft community site is extremely effective and robust. Before you create a new forum topic, please be use it to search for similar topics, blog posts, or web pages that may contain the answer for which you are looking. Making a new thread on an existing subject can result in your thread being deleted or, if you continue to re-post the same content, the loss of your forum privileges for spamming. Rating The forum rating system can be used to promote positive discussion, demote unhelpful comments, and even report posts that violate the forum Code of Conduct. By hovering over a post you'll be presented with several options, including a "thumbs up" (Like) and a "thumbs down" (Dislike) icon. Clicking the "thumbs up" icon will rate the post up. If enough people like a post, it will gain a Highly Rated status and appear at the top of related search results. Highly Rated posts will also have a highlighted background. Clicking the "thumbs down" icon will expand a drop-down menu which will include "Dislike," "Trolling, "Spam" and "Report" options. "Dislike" will rate the post down. If enough people dislike a post, it will be darkened, and with a lot of dislikes it will be hidden completely. You can also quickly report a post as trolling or spam, or use the report function to fill out a more comprehensive description of a violation. Please note that you can only rate each post once. Use your power wisely to help foster a positive and helpful forum community. While the community team will be moderating this forum as normal, members of the Creative Development team will also be monitoring discussions and looking for constructive feedback. Have fun posting on these forums, and good luck with your adventures in Azeroth!Lylirra1 Oct 26, 2010
Nov 9, 2010 Meet Creative Development What is Creative Development? Creative Development (CDev) is a "hub" within Blizzard, facilitating the development of ancillary products and services that tie into Blizzard's game universes. While there are several different divisions of CDev, this Warcraft Story forum focuses on the efforts of the Publishing division. What does Creative Development's Publishing division have to do with Warcraft's stories and lore? The Publishing division within Creative Development is the driving force behind every published story you've seen outside of the game: short stories, novels, comics, and manga. Who comprises the Publishing division of Creative Development? Publishing is made of two groups: Story Development: This group focuses on story idea creation, story outlining, and story development for licensed fiction, as well as for internally-written stories. Historians: This group is the repository for all Blizzard lore, providing counsel for the game development teams and the CDev Story Development group. What is the Publishing division's usual process for developing a story? Idea Generation & Outline Creation: Working with Chris Metzen and the designers on the respective game's development team, the Story Development team generates an idea and an outline for a story. The writer on the project is typically invited to our offices at this point in the project, so that they can be in on the ground floor of the story's creation. Story Development & Lore Checking: Over the course of the project, the Story Development team talks constantly with the writer, as well as with Chris Metzen and the game developers, in order to help hone the story into a Blizzard-quality tale. At the same time, our Historian team combs through the iterations of the story in order ensure that the story adheres to the universe's established canon. * Please note that the CDev Publishing division has only been fully staffed since early 2009, allowing for more resources and manpower to dedicate to each published product. What does the Publishing division hope to accomplish with this Warcraft Story forum? We'd like to give the community a chance to influence the development of our upcoming stories, so we're trying something new; this forum will serve as a direct line to our story developers. Please note that we're not looking for fully-formed stories - save those for the Global Writing Contest (which we operate and judge) - but rather we're looking for specific examples of what people like, don't like, and what they would like to see (story-wise) from us in the future. Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
Nov 9, 2010 Story Starter Guide Looking for more Warcraft information, but don't know where to start? Whether you've played Warcraft I, II, or III, these books will showcase the people and events that have shaped the Warcraft universe over the last few (in-game) decades: Rise of the Horde by Christie Golden - Set before the orcs invade Azeroth for the first time, this story explores what the orc race was like before its clans were forged into a single savage Horde under the influence of the demonic Burning Legion. Part of the novel focuses on the orc Orgrim Doomhammer and his childhood friend, Durotan (who would later become Thrall's father). Other parts of the story depict the aging shaman Ner'zhul; his ambitious apprentice, Gul'dan; the mighty Grommash Hellscream; the wise draenei leader, Velen; and several other significant characters. The Last Guardian by Jeff Grubb - This is a good introduction to older human history in Warcraft, with emphasis on the events of the First War (Warcraft I). Medivh, the Guardian of Tirisfal, decides to take on an apprentice: the young mage Khadgar. As time goes on, Khadgar learns that a half-orc named Garona is acting as a secret emissary to the nation of Stormwind. While he and Garona try to reach an understanding, Khadgar realizes that Medivh's behavior is growing increasingly erratic. Ultimately he and Sir Anduin Lothar, the childhood friend of both Medivh and King Llane Wrynn of Stormwind, reach a terrible realization: Medivh, an incredibly powerful wizard, is under the control of Sargeras, Destroyer of Worlds, creator of the demonic Burning Legion. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Beyond the Dark Portal by Aaron Rosenberg and Christie Golden – Currently Out of Stock in Blizzard Store, but can be found on here: This is a good introduction to Alliance and Horde history during the events of Warcraft IIx. Instead of starting a new war, the shaman Ner'zhul has decided to open dimensional rifts from the orc homeworld of Draenor into fresh new worlds to conquer. Horrified at the possibility, Sir Lothar's former lieutenant, the human paladin Turalyon, leads an Alliance expedition into Draenor to stop Ner'zhul. With Turalyon are the mage Khadgar and the ranger Alleria Windrunner (the older sister of Sylvanas and Vereesa). Alleria and Turalyon began falling in love with one another in the Second War, but Alleria turned her back on Turalyon after the Horde invaded Quel'Thalas and killed many of her people. In the midst of battle on an alien world, can their relationship be mended? And can the Alliance expedition reach Ner'zhul in time to stop the Horde from bringing death and destruction into new worlds? Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden - This story depicts the life of Warchief Thrall, starting only a short while after Thrall was born. Raised among humans as a slave, Thrall became a master gladiator before deciding that he would escape his slavery. The story depicts Thrall's subsequent friendship with Grom Hellscream, as well as Thrall's journey to rejoin his clan and master the shamanic arts. When a disguised Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer provokes Thrall into a challenge to single combat, Thrall fights his first truly momentous battle: a fight whose consequences will change the course of history. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King by Christie Golden - This story explores the life and character of Prince Arthas Menethil leading up to the events of the Third War (Warcraft III) and Warcraft IIIx. As the plague of undeath ravaged Lordaeron, fear and desperation drove the prince to more ruthless measures until he had utterly lost his way. The story also explores the romance he shared with Lady Jaina Proudmoore, in addition to the unrequited love that the high elf prince, Kael'thas Sunstrider, bore for Jaina. The above stories are but the tip of the iceberg. Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
May 1 Read This Before You Post For whatever reason, this forum is seeing a massive influx of new posters. Whether it's due to the imminent launch of an expansion (and the tidal wave of lore accompanying it) or just a surge of passion, I feel like I need to reiterate some ground rules and common courtesies. 1). Be Objective! Do not come into this forum and make threads that begin with "So and so is such a terrible character" or loaded questions with heavy bias, i.e. "Why is the Horde so evil?" Doing so is just going to incite other posters an inevitably turn the thread into a flame war. On certain occasions this can also be grounds for disciplinary action. Play nice and keep an open mind. We're here to discuss story elements, not argue over opinions. Try to think like a writer. This is especially true for highly controversial topics like the Forsaken. 2). This Forum Is Not For Fan-Made Fiction! Despite what the name may imply, the Story Forum is not for sharing or discussing fan-made material. It is for discussing officially sanctioned lore/stories only. In short, if it doesn't have a Blizzard logo, it doesn't belong here. That doesn't mean you're forbidden from linking any fiction you may have written (it can be useful in explaining your position on a topic, for instance) or posting the odd paragraph; however, copying large amounts of text or creating threads specifically for any fiction you've written will be deleted or moved. If you want to discuss your own material please take it to the fine folks at the World's End Tavern Forum (otherwise known as the RP forum): 3). If You Have A Question, Chances Are Someone Else Has Already Asked It World of Warcraft has a lot of content, and the expanded universe of Warcraft as a whole has even more. However, there are several very popular topics that get addressed again and again. Before you create a new thread please check through the past few pages to see if there's already an existing thread on your topic. Not only does this keep the forum nice and tidy but it benefits you as well. Long threads tend to already have a very healthy discussion of its topic, and you may find through reading it that your particular insight has already been brought up, discussed, and concluded. If not, it's always better to stimulate an existing discussion than to try and start a new one from scratch. Don't worry, those of us who frequent this forum do carefully read each others posts. You don't need to start a new thread to draw attention. Furthermore, the regulars of this forum get very sick of answering the same questions all day long. I know the Search function hasn't always been the kindest tool, but again please take a few moments to quickly browse through the first few pages. 4). We Are Not Your Personal Encyclopedia On that note, this is not a Q&A forum. Think of it like a book club. You wouldn't show up to your group meeting and then start asking everyone what happened in the last chapter. You're expected to do your own research before coming here and opening topics for discussion. If you're looking for some direction there are many very helpful resources at your disposal: The Story Starter Guide, a sticky at the top of this forum. It includes information and links to out-of-game novels that are a great investment if you're interested in the lore of Warcraft: WoWPedia (formally WoWWiki), a crowd-sourced wiki on nearly everything you could possibly want to know about the Warcraft universe. A superb first-stop and excellent reference material for discussions: TvTropes, while not specific to Warcraft or Blizzard, is a great way to familiarize yourself with various writing or storytelling techniques. Potentially confusing points in the story of Warcraft can seem much more approachable when you realize it's all just part of a larger plan, and many posters on this forum like to reference popular tropes. Be warned, this website will devour countless hours of your time: That said, if there's something that's notably vague or unclear, by all means bring it up! Just avoid questions that can be solved easier and quicker with a search engine than a forum post. 5). Back Up What You Have To Say Be clear and concise with what you're trying to say and provide as much source material as is helpful. The more information you provide, the easier it will be for others to understand and respond to what you are trying to say. This is especially true for potentially obscure in-game quests. 6). This Is A Warcraft Forum Blizzard has many successful franchises with many rich, engaging stories. However, this is a Warcraft forum. Any threads pertaining to Starcraft, Diablo, or any other Blizzard product aren't allowed. Each of those games has their own forums specifically dedicated for their own lore. The Starcraft lore forum can be found here: Diablo lore can be discussed on the Legacy forum here: 7). Have Fun! This forum enjoys a very close relationship with its posters. Everyone here loves the work that Blizzard does, and on some level yearns to make it better. So be respectful to your fellow posters and don't make inflammatory attacks against Blizzard or members of its staff. This forum has a rather unique dynamic that is much... healthier than other forums, so don't come in here with a poisonous attitude. New ideas or insights are always welcome, as are humor and witty banter. Engage in topics that you find really exciting, but don't openly scoff at those that don't. Don't be afraid to change your mind. The past, present, and future are all fair game. Just be mindful of the rules and common courtesies, and above all else, have fun geeking out. Oh, and the Like and Dislike buttons exist for a reason!Odok112 May 1
1m Do you like your racial leader? What do you guys think of your racial leader/king/queen? If you don't like them, who would you replace them with? While I play a few races, Blood Elf has always been my main and favorite. And to me, Lor'themar is one of the best leaders in the game. He always puts Belfs first, but not in a tyrannically way like Garrosh; he's a brilliant strategist/tactician; has been a key person since MoP; he works well with most of the horde leaders, and with some of the smelly Alliance dogs....cough cough, I mean Alliance leader; he has an amazing sense of fashion; and most of all, he doesn't want to rule, which makes me want him even more.Yusuke150 1m
15m So the light is bad too? Absolute faith in the light seems almost as bad as full Shadow, where does this put paladins and holy priests when we the player know the light isn't as good as it seems and can even be the antagonist. Paladins blindly following the light or even using it seems like it's pretty unappealing as a player.Dithus50 15m
20m Argus is above the noise. One thing that stands out really firmly to me(and I think is awesome) is that there's zero Alliance/Horde representation on Argus. Almost everywhere we've ever gone has been paired with a backdrop of blue and red banners warring for territory or prizes. Now, on Argus, it feels like we're actually beyond those politics and being real heroes. I'm sure Blizzard will bring us back to that after we're done with Legion, but for now, it's nice.Mezzivezz201 20m
37m Which is the greatest Original Paladin Uther the Light Bringer, Tirion Fordring, or Turalyon? Turalyon may have 1000 years of war under his belt, but it seems like most of those years were stalemates or losses. Even letting his wife lose her soul to the void... Uther was a major Hero of the Second war, and nearly roflstomped Arthas into the ground, and would have, had the lich king not given Arthas a blank check of power to save him. Tirion was a man of pure honor, refusing to break an oath to an orc, even at the cost of his prestigious position, and his family abandoning him over it. Later shows unyielding faith to face down the lich king at the place where he is strongest.Rivendel21 37m
59m If You Could Write One Piece of Lore... What would it be? For me, Common is a purely universal language. Orcish is specific to the orcs and only non-orcs who go out of their way to learn it, know it, otherwise the common language among the Alliance, Horde and most every other faction is Common.Cannibal42 59m
1h Is Ner'zhul the Locus-Walker? Was the Locus-Walker always an Ethereal? Is it possible that he could be the broken spirit of Ner'zhul in disguise, somehow infused in an Ethereal body? 1h
1h The Legion's Finale: Where Is Everyone? In a couple weeks we defeat Sargeras, and effectively destroy the Legion. Why are so many of the various factions and characters dedicated to destroying the Legion completely missing? Velen's vision states he see the sky filled with Naaru and Dragons beyond number. So, where are they? Where is A'dal? Xe'ra attacks Illidan and tries to force him into accepting the Light, and Illidan kills her. A'dal, Saa'ra, G'eras none of them have anything to say about that? It was A'dal that brought the Draenei and Belf Paladins, Magi, and Priests together to face KJ and Kael's forces at the Sunwell, but he's going to sit this one out? Where the heck are the Dragons? Specifically Alexstrasza and Wrathion. Alexstrasza has nothing to say or do after the corruption and then death of her beloved sister? No response to the largest Legion invasion ever? Wrathion warned us years ago to unite and prepare, and then tried create his own anti-Legion army in WoD (which super-failed). He wants to fulfill the responsibilities of the Aspect of earth, and all he gets a is a Chromie scenario cameo. Wrathion has no interest in the goings on at Dalaran, Suramar, the Broken Shore, or Argus? No agents out there looking and listening? The other forces of the Light: The Sha'tar and the Al'dor or even NPCs from the Shattered Sun. All we got is High Priestess Ishanah, a Priest champion, is rather insultingly a innkeeper....and that's it. The largest draenei force ever and no one shows up. None of those factions care? Grand Archorite Almomen, Exarch Naasun, Badhuum, no one shows up? Nobundo has no interest in the Krokuun? Akama, if you picked him (he doesn't die btw, if you didn't) no interest in Illidan or Velen or Argus? Also, the Grand (draenei) Army of the Light. Every source we have, even Xe'ra in Legion says it is formed of the left over populace of worlds burned by the Legion. And yet, in game, all we have in Draenei? No Aldrichi, no lightsworn Ethereals, no other human or former members of the Alliance Outland Expedition that also found themselves port out of from the destruction of Draenor? Not saying they all get screen time, but couldn't they be at the portal sites keeping them safe and protected? Most of this post is an ripoff of the linked thread, but he cannot post on these forums: 1h
1h I think Sylvanas killed Vol'jin. So I was thinking about the broken shore events and I think Sylvanas saw a chance to seize power in the horde and weaken the alliance. we all know what happened to the alliance because sylvanas pulled back, but horde players thinks she went to help her war chief, what if she want to finish him off? Vol'jin was stabbed by a felguard spear witch is pretty bad and I would think maybe burn a little but what killed him was POISON...BLACK POISON! have you ever seen a felguard use poison? I haven't! I think while badly injured but his troll healing should have saved him after a few days rest, I think Sylvanas rushed to him to she could pour some of that name brand black poison she uses into his wound without anyone noticing and take control of the horde while the alliance forces were battered and that she could raise them from the dead later. if you really want more proof that it was her, look at the wounds they vul'jin had then watch the cinematic with her fighting greymane and look at what the poison did to him and how it spread! they wounds are the same (well vul'jins was glowing green but that's because of the demon spear still burning him I guess, the poison sylvanas just stopped him from healing)Liongrin157 1h
1h Story Forum Community Lounge 136 Link to the Archive: Link to the last lounge: 1) The thread must be called "Story Forum Community Lounge" followed by its number. 2) No serious lore discussion. 3) No hating, flaming, or serious debates unless all sides wish to engage in the talk. 4) You must post these rules in the Original Post, so all can see the rules in future lounge. Previously, in the Lounge: We were discussing Illidan, naturally. Also: Story Forum Discord: 1h
1h Light vs Void morality question. People claim the Light is not better than the void. Ask your self this, if you had to leave your child in the care of either A. A Knight of the Silver Hand, Heroic paladin. Or B. A Twilight Cultist (worships old gods who came from the void), who has glowing red eyes and is speaking in a language you cant understand, but hurts your mind, who would you choose? You KNOW who you would choose.Rivendel11 1h
2h Could we actually kill an Old God? I was thinking, we know it's disastrous to completely destroy an Old God like which happened to Y'shaarj and the Titans declared it too dangerous to do that again. But, that's never stopped us from doing stupid things before. Would the complete destruction of, say, C'thun from that Silithus wound make a good opening pre-patch event?Niingjing30 2h
2h What I think Elune really is... We have seen ingame that things we thought couldn't be redeemed like Dreadlords can be cleansed (Or corrupted) by the light. What if an Old God crashed onto Azeroths Moon? What if that Old God had been corrupted by the light? What if that Old God was Elune? Think about it.Atillus13 2h
3h Probabilty of Jaina becoming a raid boss What do you think the chances are that Jaina will become a raid boss? I'd say that it's 80-90% at this point.Mythelm89 3h
3h The Light, the Void, and Moral Relativism We've recently received a lot of new lore about Warcraft's cosmology - and specifically the Light and the Void. Unsurprisingly, this new information has created and reinforced a lot of contentious ideas and opinions regarding the universe and the forces behind it. One prevalent opinion I've been seeing is that both the Light and the Void are neither good nor evil - or that they are both good, both evil, etc. This is unsurprising, given the recent focus on the necessity of balance and the shift away from a more obvious black and white dichotomy. But when we discuss the shades of grey that make up the morality of the Warcraft universe, it's important to recognize that there are shades. Some hues are lighter or darker - perhaps dramatically so - and these nuances are where the true depth and complexity lies. To dismiss all things as uniformly grey is no better than seeing them as entirely black or white; personally, I believe it to be worse. The Light is still, in no uncertain terms, good. It is the cosmic force behind all goodness in Creation. Hope, love, compassion - all these exist because of, and belong to, the Light. Creatures born of it are almost universally benevolent. Its followers are not infallible; they can even be gravely misguided. However, the Light is still inherently a force for good. The Void is still, in no uncertain terms, bad. It is no coincidence that it sprang from the absence of goodness, from dark places where the Light was missing. While it is a necessary force of the universe, that does not mean it is not still antithetical to all things goodly. By its very nature, it seeks to dominate and consume all and everything in Creation - minds, matter, souls, etc. Perhaps in a philosophical vacuum, the argument that the Light and the Void are just two different perspectives might have merit. It could be argued that, relatively speaking, the Void only follows its nature, and that it sees the Light as a perverse influence upon what Creation should be. It could be argued that the forces of the Light trying to forge Creation into a place of peace and prosperity is just as unnatural as the Void twisting into into a nightmarish hellscape of discord and anguish. But when discussing these issues from the perspective of a mortal, there is little room for doubt about which cosmic force is the brighter shade of grey.Wolfsung59 3h
4h I AM my scars! Good god, I love Illidan Stormrage. !@#$ you, I create my own destiny. It's like she didn't pay attention to who Illidan is at all. I also didn't notice it the first time, but he was bleeding after grabbing Turalyon's blade. Dank. Illidank. I love that boy. Welcome back, boo. Looks like that vision of Light-infused Illidan isn't coming to pass after all. I can't help but notice the foreshadowing from when he picked up Gul'dan's skull and simply crushed it. He doesn't want any more power.Caelus42 4h
4h Possible Next Expansion Datamining Just as a warning, this is entirely going off the credibility of a random MMO-Champion poster, but the contents of the post are very interesting, and may confirm rumors and speculation about an ocean based expansion. 4h
6h How did the Titans get their weapons? Or who created the weapons? Did they just magically appear?Murcielagos7 6h
6h Night elf Paladins? How exactly would they work? Would they be part of the sisters of Elune? If so, would current priestess join the Paladins and train? But normally priestess of Elune aren't involved in direct conflict I thought? I'm just super confused about all of this.Songers14 6h
11h Why are Ally/Horde still racial factions? Just about every NPC faction from the Bloodsail Buccaneers to the Earthen Ring are multiracial across Alliance and Horde races. All of our Order Halls are multi-racial organizations. We constantly fight along side heroes of the opposite faction, and we're all fighting literally for our existence against a common enemy; hell, THE common enemy. Why are we still in these weird racially bound political entities? I feel we're at the point that we should be able to select a race and a faction, rather than our faction being dictated by our race, with faction representing political/religious ideologies rather than a purely racial aesthetic. EDIT: Let me just clarify, I don't advocate getting rid of the Alliance/Horde. Just, that, I'd like to see them grow to be more focused on ideology than race. Alliance focused on order/stability and Light worship, whereas the Horde would be focused more on personal freedoms, strength, and Element/Spirit worship.Gromtar29 11h
13h Arcane healing. In theory, since the Arcane can alter reality, and has been used to revive the dead (Necromancy early Kel'Thuzad style) as well as its ability to alter, speed up, or reverse time, shouldn't it be possibly to see an arcane healer?Rivendel5 13h
17h Dwarf Skin Confusion So Im a bit confused here. When making a dwarf character you can make their skin grey which in turn makes some of their face options have a red eye colour. Not Dark Iron red but like a regular red iris that the other Dwarf skin tones do not have access too. Are these supposed to be Dark Iron/Bronzebeard half breeds or? Also should be noted that Moira does not have the glowing red eyes of her people? Why?Erinian1 17h
18h 8.0 Predictions Hello! As you all may know Legion more than likely is in its last patch. If 7.3 is in fact the last patch of Legion, then what will 8.0 have in store? Using the lore of the game I will give the best predictions I can for the time period, location, contents and other possible occurrences in 8.0. TIME PERIOD Let's start things off with the time period. I believe that in 8.0 we will get another world reset like in Cataclysm but in quite a different way. Deathwing won't be coming back instead, I believe that 8.0 will be much farther ahead in the future compared to Legion. Why you may ask? Because in the lore of the Warcraft universe, two characters (Alleria & Turalyon) have apparently been fighting on Argus for THOUSANDS of years even though on Azeroth, they've been gone for about 30 years. This means time travels MUCH faster on Argus then it does on Azeroth; 33.33 times faster in fact! So the real question is what time frame will Argus be set in? How many years in the future will we be? If you read the comic, Son of the Wolf you may remember that at the end, Anduin was significantly older than at the start of the comic. My guess is he was in his mid 50s (let's say he's 55 for simplicity's sake). So let's say Anduin is about 25 start of Legion (also for simplicity's sake). That's a whole 35 years into the future. In 35 in game years, Blizzard could change so much on Azeroth. ENEMIES The major enemy of 8.0 more than likely will have something to do with the void lords. At the end of Argus, out of nowhere the void lords show up. They had all new models, older models (most notably the ethereals) got a fresh coat of paint in the form of an updated model. Blizzard doesn't just update models and add new models for no reason. If you remember at the end of Warlords of Draenor, the Burning Legion showed up along with new and updated models. Models that also ended up appearing in Legion. Going off of this, we can assume that 8.0 will more than likely heavily involve the Void Lords. LOCATION As for the location, There is not really any location that stands out, though Kul'Turas is my best guess (though I don't think Jaina will end up being a main antagonist). At the beginning of Legion, Jaina gets into a disagreement and teleports off to god knows where. She hasn't been seen since she warped away, though Kul'Turas would make sense. It's her native country so she would logically know where it is. Kul'Turas sailors are also seen in the sea giant cave in Azhara.Not only that, but the only Old God not yet to have been seen is N'Zoth, who is generally depicted as a ginormous octopus-like monster with many tentacles. Kul'Turas is an island so an octopus monster antagonist would make some sense. FINAL WORDS So that's my predictions for patch 8.0! If you have any thoughts, corrections or comments please put them down below. :)Wugao18 18h
18h What characters do you want more of? I want to see more of Vandel from "Illidan", Halford Ramsey from "Curse of the Worgen", Gelbin Mekkatorque, and Gallywix. What about you guys?Wereberius28 18h
19h I'm convinced of playable Ethereal I know threads like these are super common, but I feel like Blizzard has been building up to this lately. If you take a look at some of our playable classes, a good chunk of them deal in shadow/void magic. Not just Shadow Priests, but Subtlety Rogues, Warlocks, and I believe Alleria is also hinting at some future "Shadow Hunter" additions to Hunters. And that's only factoring in the Ethereals who are void-touched, like Locus-Walker. There's also a huge population of Ethereals who are more on the Arcane side of things, which brings in Mages. My point on that is, playable Ethereal would have a number of options in class selection by now to be thematically fitting, with content already suggesting more to come. And if there are Void-Touched Ethereal, why not also Light-Touched Ethereal? Paladins/Priests? What if an Ethereal Death Knight had a spin on it to be considered some sort of bandage-bound undead wraith? Not to mention their recent model updates, which is the biggest "hint" if any. And as far as armor is concerned, Blizzard's art team has proved they have the creativity to solve things that might interfere with the core class appearance, since there were initially some comments about how Demon Hunter tattoos would be visible. Every expansion lately has included an area / chunk of content that has somewhat hinted at the next expansion's theme. In Mists, we had the formation of the Iron Horde, which was Warlords of Draenor. In WoD, we had Hellfire Peninsula and the demons, which was Legion. And in Legion, we now have these Ethereals and the Void. Playable Ethereal would be a perfect fit for the next, or future, expansion. They have the experience and history with the Void to bring in a truly legitimate cause for fighting the Void, other than "this is some bad stuff". Playable Ethereal have always been in my "idbecoolif" list since Burning Crusade, but now I think there's legit cause to bring them onboard. What do you all think?Malefic28 19h
20h Odyn is an Old God/Serves the Void. He was locked in a prison in the sky because he's an old god/evil guy.Vanorstus21 20h
1d Alleria's Absent Addiction Problem I've read through the new short story, and, honestly, I'm a little confused... Putting this as simply as I can, we know for a fact that the Sunwell can reach a High/Blood Elf anywhere in existence. This has been solidly confirmed. We also know that Alleria was alive and well during the Sunwell's absence. How did she not affected by its absence like every other High/Blood Elf? Compounding this problem, during the Sunwell's absence, she's off fighting with her pious Human and the Army of the Light in places where time passes much faster then it does back home on Azeroth. So, she's not just missing the Sunwell's sustainence for the length of time it was absent relative to Azeroth, she's missed it for overwhelmingly more years, making things make even less sense. Either Blizzard didn't factor this in, I am mistaken, or Xe'ra or someone else in the Army of the Light blessed her body with the power to shake its natural addiction. What is it? On a side point, the Blood elves didn't know about their addiction to the Sunwell until it was gone. Illidan's most important gift to Kael was teaching him how to siphon magic from living things, and Kael passed this knowledge onto his people... which, again on a tangent for a second, is the major cause of the High Elf/Blood Elf split. Alleria wasn't there during any of that. Anyway, so, siphoning magic from living things to survive her addiction is essentially out of the question; if you were thinking of putting that forward.Arrodis37 1d
1d The first Paladins A few days ago a debate started between me and my guild leader on the topic of wich race were the first paladins. I say it was the humans and she says it was the dreani.Am i right or is she?Tibérius115 1d
1d At what point was Arthas irredeemable? I think the moment he picked up frostmourne he was pretty much gone at the point. I would argue that even to the minute before he picked up that sword he could have changed his destiny - the swords whispers were pretty much telling him what to do at that point and he was corrupted for good. I only say this because he did show small aspects of regret as a death knight, they were just far overridden by the corruption. If you could show Arthas what he would become even when he was hunting Mal Ganis in Northrend I really think he would have altered course!Leonphoenix44 1d
1d Other Druid Forms Are druids only limited to the forms we see in game? Or are they capable of shifting into other animals, like raptors or spiders?Kromtarn38 1d
1d Gallywix for Warchief I'm serious. Kind of. A little bit. Think about it. Trade Prince Jastor Gallywix is a cunning leader who rose from poor child to succesful Trade Prince through nothing but his own wits. Even as a kid he was raking in fat stacks. Despite several decades worth of political machinations and assassination attempts, he still remains in power. He fought on the front lines when the Legion invaded Azshara, even at great personal risk to himself. He attempted to hide powerful, world conquering weapons from the tyrannical Garrosh Hellscream, and desired peace between the Alliance and Horde. He's so devoted to the Horde that he had the Bilgewater Cartel carve Azshara into a Horde symbol so large it could literally be seen from space. He's an intelligent, competent, courageous, loyal goblin who desires a peaceful Azeroth and will fight to see it. What are your other choices? Two elves and some cow guy? What's his name? Blaine? Never heard of 'em. Make The Horde Great Again.Valko14 1d
1d Post-raid dialogues Turalyon, Alleria, Velen, Arator, Vereesa, Lothraxion, and NPCs on the Vindicaar all have something to say after the raid.Reignac78 1d
1d Druid question Hey guys I think i saw somewhere mentioned that druids arnt connected to life on azeroth per say but the emerald dream making them able to use their abilities off planet is this true? even on a desolate world such as argus corrupted by fel would a druid still be able to use all nature magic at its disposal?Greénlee4 1d
2d New PTR Map for 7.3.2 Spoilers! A new build has come to the PTR with a brand new map. A familiar zone with some very large scale redecorating! MMO-Champion is calling it "Silithus - The Wound". What the heck could this be? Did a Titan come try and pluck up C'thun? Did Goblins fill the Silithid tunnels with explosives? Did a stray shot from Argus blow the only remaining Vanilla zone to smithereens? Discuss!Hanashi128 2d
2d Pained Does anyone know of Pained's backstory, or was she just a nobody accompanying Jaina? Does she have a 'real' name?Kaimbetu17 2d
2d Pained The night elf that hangs out with Jaina and has a glowing sword for some reason... ...Okay, I've got nothing; who the hell is she?Amelia13 2d
2d Tomb of Sargeras why didn't we just mana-bomb it and avoid all the bad thingsTalenaris15 2d
2d Wrathion and Anduin? In the latest beta build MMO-Champion has uncovered several new Achievements that describe each stage of the Wrathion Legendary questline in MoP. Source: ... Chapter I seems to be the achievement for what is in the beta right now, so no surprises there. Chapters II and IV have generic enough titles that they could mean almost anything, aside from the fact Wrathion will have to be involved. Chapter III however caught my eye. "Two Princes" means the chapter will focus on, obviously, two princes. One is of course Wrathion (unless Blizzard is throwing us a red herring of epic proportions), the other is most likely the only other prince of significance to MoP's story, Anduin Wrynn. So what exactly would these two princes have to discuss? Wrathion seems to believe that the Horde/Alliance conflict is inherently self-destructive in the long term. Anduin likely has similar views and both characters have powers with untested limits. Anduin is rapidly gaining skill in holy magic and according to the Velen short story may be developing prophetic abilities. Wrathion is far more powerful then a Dragon whelp has any right to be thanks to the experimentation done on his egg, and seems to have a very broad understanding of the universe. Perhaps they are even the ones who realize the only way to end the Horde/Alliance conflict in time is to take Garrosh Hellscream and his core supporters out of the equation. Maybe the quest could contrast their methods, with Anduin preferring to appeal to people's good nature (ie convince people that taking down Garrosh is the morally right thing to do), while Wrathion will prefer a more underhanded approach (ie convince people that taking down Garrosh will somehow benefit them personally).Falrinn74 2d
2d Turalyon and Alleria audio drama And for anyone who'd rather read it or is hearing-impaired: 2d
2d New Lore - A Thousand Years of War Decided to compile together all the new lore I've found in the audio drama focusing around Alleria and Turalyon, found here: I highly suggest you go listen to all three parts if you haven't already. It's an incredible story, lots of great, tense moments and the sound effects really transport you into the situations they endure. -Locations- The Twisting Nether is a chaotic realm where the universes sparked by the Light and Shadow bleed together. It can create strange reflections of real worlds like Draenor. Its skies are dark, twisting and filled with strange, conflicting powers. Countless worlds appear on the edge, seemingly close enough to touch and yet unimaginably far away. The Light intermingles with the Shadow, the primal uncontrolled forces of chaos and order, life and death, clash. Moving through the Twisting Nether is an extremely difficult task. Lothraxion, with tens of thousands of years experience, has never heard of a creature that can move through it easily. Kil'jaeden's special eredar assassins are the only known example. Time does not flow normally in the Twisting Nether, allowing decades to pass in just a few years. A week on Azeroth could be a month in the Nether, or ten or many, many more. The Void is a physical place; it's absolutely nothing when comprehended by a mortal. Learning to exist there is an important part of mastering the Void. Argus has a stench of sulfur and charred rock; the same smell as fel. It has at least one Titan structure on it. Since it resides in the Nether, every demon killed on its surface dies for good. Draenor had multiple continents; all except what remains were destroyed when it became Outland. The main continent we visit on Draenor is known as the "central" continent. Xe'ra states there are a thousand thousand dead worlds and only a few left still with life. Azeroth is the only important one. The Army of the Light visits a small Legion prison world, completely obliterated by the Void and left to rot. -Factions- The Army of the Light has been fighting the Legion for thousands of years. When one becomes lightforged, they see the entirety of their past and glimpses of their future. They're made immortal. The Burning Legion do not fear the Light as they believe they've already defeated it in due time, but they are terrified of the Void. -Races- Blood elves have "something akin to immortality" via the Sunwell. Ethereals appear as beings of pure energy, a mass of irregular power, when not wrapped. Naaru have existed since the dawn of the universe, long before mortal life. Titans, when forming, seek warmth and safety, choosing to orbit around starts and form planets around them for protection. Demons cannot evade the gaze of the Light. After a demon dies, they tend to experience relief feeling their soul drift. Shortly after, they're torn back to Argus to be punished for their failures. There's a select few eredar trained by Kil'jaeden himself as assassins for the Legion, capable of traversing the Nether unseen, which is impossible for most demons and disguising themselves on a whim. They have black, dead eyes that emit smoke and when killed, erode into a black dust. -Classes- Warlocks may be capable of an invisibility spell. We later learn the mysterious invisible being is an eredar assassin, but Turalyon thought it may be a Shadow Council Warlock for a reason. -Characters- Argus the Unmaker was chained and tortured by Sargeras to harvest his life force to quicken the regeneration of demons. Lothraxion has been fighting the Legion for thousands of years, but served the Legion for thousands more. He's lost count of how many times he's died for the Legion. Locus-Walker was a powerful ethereal and master of the Void, yet completely free of its grasp. The Burning Legion lost countless lives trying to capture him. Lothraxion even died to him. He'd later train Alleria in the ways of the Void. Eradication is the eredar assassin sent after Alleria and Turalyon. Alleria permanently killed him with the Void. Rosallas is a paladin in the Army of the Light in charge of controlling rifts to and from Argus. -Other- Wielding the Void creates a hunger for more power. Once you start using the Shadow, you will belong to the Shadow. The War of the Ancients was the first time ever that the Legion had failed an invasion. -Questions This Brings Up- In every instance of the Light and Void being used at the same thing, it caused immense pain to the user and literal explosions of clashing powers. How are discipline priests possible, then? If the Sunwell does allow immortality for the blood elves, how did King Anasterian get so venerable when he was just 3,000 years old? How is Alleria also not that venerable considering she's at least 2,800 years old? If demons cannot evade the gaze of the Light, why are demon hunters able to pick them out of crowds but paladins and priests cannot?Cannibal58 2d
2d Who's the boy king that serves the old gods? The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies he will offer you. Who's the boy king that serves at the masters table? We always aim at Anduin but what about Dagran Thaurissan II? Magni is a pawn (The king of diamonds has been made a pawn.) ...and when he achieves majority, Ironforge will be his all the ''three thrones'', the lie of a united ironforge. Varimathras at 7.3 says: Varimathras: So, your Alliance still endures. Longer than I expected, though she has already planted the seeds of its downfall. She is patient, that one. We think about Jaina, but is she that patient today?! What about Moira Thaurissan? Planted the seed...her son, the seed of flesh, another of II'lgynoth's whispers read: Flesh is his gift. He is your true creator. what do you guys think about it?Nardukar37 2d
2d Sylvanas and Helya I know there have been a thousand of these threads, but I stumbled across something leveling on an alt, while going through the Helheim section. This rare was introduced during 7.2, but what's somewhat interesting is his dialogue when he's engaged. ... Could it be possible that Sylvanas, in Helya's absence, has now seized control of the remnants of the Kvaldir?Silris7 2d
2d non-Pandaran Monks and the Wandering Isle? Apologies in advance if this is a duplicate, tried posting earlier but I didn't see it post. TLDR - How do others who play non-Pandaran Monks feel about the Wandering Isle as the Order Hall? How do you see your character as having any kind of connection to it? One of the biggest reasons why I've had difficulty getting into the Monk this exp is the lack of connection for non-Pandarans to their class order hall, the Wandering Isle. For Pandarans, non-Monks included, the connection is obvious; it's the starting zone and you're basically returning to it. However for non-Pandarans, you're basically thrown onto this isle that you've never been to before and told "hey!! this is your new home now". I just don't see the connection. Maybe if it were the Shado-Pan monastery, which every Monk goes back to every so often while leveling to do their training quests. But for non-Pandarans, it felt very jarring waking up on an island that I'd never been to before and basically being told, "welcome home!". As a non-Pandaran Monk I always felt like more of a lone-wolf anyways than part of a cohesive group. So my question is, how have you non-Pandaran Monk players rationalized making the Wandering Isle your home?Nioscyion17 2d
2d Turalyon at Lights Hope So I was thinking about Turalyon and how so many of his friends from Azeroth and it made me think. How cool would it be if Turalyon was feeling doubts after the death of Xe'ra and wanted to get away. So he asked the Paladins if he could see Lights Hope Chapel. Then we get a cinematic where he walks down the halls and sees the statues dedicated to his fellow paladins Tirion and Uther. Then as he approaches the alter he kneels down and calls for help and the spirits of the dead paladins appear to him and help clear his doubts and remind him why they fight.Hordamis10 2d
3d question about warlocks so what exactly is our role? we search for power out of greed and use our strengths to help? is that about it?Feldimir7 3d
3d What will happen to DHs after legion? Their main goal was to defeat the legion. Now that Sarg is imprisoned, the burning crusade seems to have ended. So, what's their new goal?Jacquerexinf29 3d
3d New Rivals for the Alliance and Horde Some videos are saying they believe we will be going to go back to a Horde Vs Alliance theme in future expansions. I just feel that this battle has been beaten to death. Can we get two other factions, maybe from another Continent, on the other side of Azeroth as faction rivals for the Horde / Alliance ? we could load up new Races or possibly create new races since we haven't been on the other side of the globe. We don't know what is out there... Jaina is set up perfect to be a New Faction Leader. I rather see the Horde / Alliance vs 2 new groups then go back to horde vs Alliance. I think fans are a bit burned out of it. I could be wrongLegionprime10 3d