New Player Help and Guides

May 19, 2016 Welcome. Please Read! Welcome to the New Player Help and Guides forum! This forum is here to provide you with a friendly environment where you can ask questions and receive helpful information from experienced players and learn more about the adventures that await you! Community forums work best when participants treat their fellow posters with respect and courtesy, so we ask that you take the time to read through the forum Code of Conduct ( and guidelines ( before posting. Important Reminders: Search The search function at the top of the World of Warcraft community site is extremely effective and robust. Before you create a new forum topic, please be use it to search for similar topics, blog posts, or web pages that may contain the answer for which you are looking. Making a new thread on an existing subject can result in your thread being deleted or, if you continue to re-post the same content, the loss of your forum privileges for spamming. Rating The forum rating system can be used to promote positive discussion, demote unhelpful comments, and even report posts that violate the forum Code of Conduct. By hovering over a post you'll be presented with several options, including a "thumbs up" (Like) and a "thumbs down" (Dislike) icon. Clicking the "thumbs up" icon will rate the post up. If enough people like a post, it will gain a Highly Rated status and appear at the top of related search results. Highly Rated posts will also have a highlighted background. Clicking the "thumbs down" icon will expand a drop-down menu which will include "Dislike," "Trolling, "Spam" and "Report" options. "Dislike" will rate the post down. If enough people dislike a post, it will be darkened, and with a lot of dislikes it will be hidden completely. You can also quickly report a post as trolling or spam, or use the report function to fill out a more comprehensive description of a violation. Please note that you can only rate each post once. Use your power wisely to help foster a positive and helpful forum community. Have fun posting on these forums, and good luck with your adventures in Azeroth! Guidelines In addition to the forum Code of Conduct (, here are some common courtesy guidelines to follow. While these do technically fall within the bounds of the Code of Conduct, these cover more specific examples of common errors that will lead to thread deletions or posting privileges being revoked. [ul] The World of Warcraft forums are for discussion of topics directly related to World of Warcraft. The forums here are specifically to discuss the game and related topics. Any topics not related to World of Warcraft,, or Blizzard Entertainment are subject to deletion. Don't post in all capital letters, use a misleading title, excessive punctuation, and/or non-standard symbols, etc. While everyone wants their posts read, we ask you to refrain from using these types of tactics in order to bring more people to your thread. Let your post stand on its own merit. Threads violating this guideline are subject to deletion. Using the words "Blizzard," "Blue," or any community team members' names in a thread topic is frowned upon. Everyone would like Blizzard to read and acknowledge his or her post, and we understand that; however, use of such words in the subject line does not help that come to pass. Please make your thread title relevant to the post subject. Threads violating this guideline are subject to deletion. Posting "First" or IBTL ("in before lock") constitutes as spamming. You will be suspended if you create a post that is intended to call out that you achieved a specific reply number in a thread. This is considered spamming. Posting IBTL ("in before the lock") is not helpful, and if you feel a thread should be moderated please use the rating button to do so. Do not "bump" posts. The act of posting simply to bump a thread is considered spamming. This also includes bumping very old threads for no reason (called "necro bumping" or "necroing"). Petition posts are frowned upon. These are discussion forums and, as such, we ask that you hold discussions. Creating a thread to ask for replies as votes is not a discussion. Threads violating this guideline are subject to deletion. Do not post about locked or deleted threads. Posts that are moderated have a reason behind the moderation. It's up to you to read the forum Code of Conduct and these guidelines to determine what you did wrong, learn from your mistake, and attempt to post again without breaking any rules. Kaivax0 May 19, 2016
Sep 29 A Return to World of Warcraft: Player Guide So you’ve decided to return to World of Warcraft. Welcome back! There’s just one thing you’ll need before jumping back into the fray—knowledge. To aid you in making your glorious comeback, we’ve compiled some handy information every returning hero should know. Once armed with knowledge, nothing (and no one) will stand in your way. Sep 29
Aug 26 Welcome to Warcraft - Frequent Questions Hello all, and welcome to World of Warcraft! This can be a very rewarding game and offers a variety of cool experiences with the chance to meet some interesting folks. We'd all like to extend a hearty welcome to the newest members of our ever-growing community and wish you the best of luck in your gaming experience. Before we get started, one of the first questions you might be asking is why the text of certain posters is in green or blue. Green is because those posters are forum MVPs. They have no special privileges or powers and, besides the text, are in no way different from many posters you might meet on these forums. MVPs are recognized by Blizzard for providing consistently accurate information and helping to maintain a positive atmosphere on the forums. This, of course, does not preclude some of them from being a little snarky and sarcastic at times! You will also notice posters that represent themselves with blue font. These are official representatives that work for Blizzard. They do have the ability to answer many questions and offer some bans when the situation warrants it. More information about these two can be found in the first sticky on the General Forums, as well as links to the forum Guidelines and Code of Conduct: Moving on! While Warcraft can be a very exciting experience, there are likely many questions you will ask along the way and a few problems you might run into. Fear not, for all the people who post in these forums (whether they'd like to admit it or not!) were in the same boat at one point or another. In fact, you might even see some of them come in here and ask questions of their own! Take this as a sign that not everyone knows everything about the game! For your reading ease, the most asked questions will be highlighted in this thread. Refer to the Categories and list below to easily navigate your way through the posts (you can also do a ctrl+f search for any important terms). As always, have fun while playing Warcraft and happy hunting! Categories: Rules of the Game a. Buying Characters b. Buying Gold c. Private Servers d. Reporting Others/Being Reported The Game a. Order/Content of Expansions b. Server Transfers (What are they, where can I transfer to?) Character Information a. How to repair b. Level requirements for Helms/Shoulders c. Armor/Weapons for Classes d. Professions: What level, How to Unlearn e. Talent Points: What are they, How to Change f. Glyphs: General Information g. Mounts: Level/Training/Cost h. Spells: Where are they, how to change action bar Zones. etc. a. Levels of Zones b. Levels of Dungeons c. Levels of Raids d. Levels of Battlegrounds e. Scenarios Auction House a. How to Place Items b. How to Buy Items/Bid on Items c. How to Cancel Auctions d. Black Market Auction House User Interface a. Coordinates b. Chat Channels c. Add Ons Basic Mechanics a. How to Swim b. How to Unstack Items c. Other Keyboard commands d. Mouse (basic) Common Problems a. Destroyed Hearthstone b. Cannot return to corpse after death c. Failing Quests d. GM Tickets Useful Links a. General Information b. RAF FAQ c. Guild Recruitment d. Choosing a Server (How to)Frejya262 Aug 26
Sep 30 Giving Back - In-Game Help for New Players List was last pruned of inactivity on 4/12/2016. You can check this post to see how I determined inactivity: It's never too late to volunteer! I'm always adding people to the list. Also, despite the name, these mentors are also available to returning players who need help, too! Disclaimer: This is NOT a place to populate your friend list in-game. These are mentors here to help. These players are also NOT chosen by Blizzard (though a few of them may be MVPs that have volunteered!). They are simply other posters who are willing to be helpful! -- Originally started by Hektikk of the Trollbane server, on the old forums. Now created here and maintained by me. Help on the forums is good, but sometimes as a new player, you need help in-game with your various questions. And that's where this thread comes in! It's a list of volunteers--players just like you or me--who are willing to become mentors to new players. They'll get you started if you're brand-new, and answer questions as you are learning your way through the game. You may even make new friends! Before you choose a potential mentor, read on for some helpful hints about how to make your experience a successful one! -- NEW PLAYERS: IMPORTANT: DO NOT post in this thread asking people to come to your server to help, or to ask a question about the game. The point of this thread is to provide you with a resource so that YOU can seek out the help you need in-game, not for people to search for you. For questions, just make a new thread and ask the regulars here on the forums. - To use this thread, check if someone from your faction/server is on the list already, or decide where you'd like to play on based on available volunteers. Next, add the volunteer to your friends list. Then, you can see when they get online and whisper them! You can also mail them via the mailbox, or check the Google lists (links in post #2) for any of that player's alts. If a mentor has a BattleTag listed, you can use that to talk to them no matter what server/faction you're on. However, they will have to accept your friend request first. - Keep in mind that players on Oceanic servers can ONLY see players from other Oceanic servers in the game world. If you wish to be on an Oceanic server, it is highly recommended you seek help from mentors also on Oceanic servers. - NOTE: Due to restrictions, Starter Accounts cannot mail anyone, whisper other players, or use BattleTag/RealID messaging. If another player whispers you first, or you both add one another to your friend list, you may whisper them. - Be sure to identify yourself when you contact someone. Mention this thread. Some players might ignore you otherwise. Also keep in mind that a player might be busy, so they might miss your whisper the first time around. Don't spam or harass them. - Don't beg or act entitled to bags, gold, dungeon runs, guild invites, etc. No one on this list is obligated to give you items or do you favors. - If someone is rude or very unhelpful, please ignore them, then consider messaging me in-game or on Twitter (@LadyLatias) to let me know (please don't call them out on the forums). Conversely, if you had a great experience with someone, let me know that too! - If any of the characters on this list seem to not exist/be active anymore, please make a post here saying so and I will remove them. -- VOLUNTEERS: - Be patient and treat the newbies well. No one wants to roll on your server, have you talk to them for a few days, and then have you get bored with them and ignore them. If you don't have patience for teaching, don't volunteer. - You are welcome to submit your BattleTag, but only do so if you're willing to have strangers talk to you at any time. Also note that people who friend request you can NO LONGER include a note to identify themselves. Please remove and/or report BT friends if they are being rude or harassing you. - If you want to be a volunteer, please post a maximum of five characters per faction per server. Alts are no longer listed here, but they will be added to the Google lists. - Please do not submit characters that are under level 10, bank alts, or otherwise not played frequently. - If you no longer want to be a mentor, or are going to quit the game, please post to have your name removed from the list. If you plan on doing a change to a character on this list (server transfers, name/faction change, etc.), please let me know that too! -- If you want to be a volunteer, just post here with your character(s), faction, and server, and I'll add your name to the list. I will also list Battletags if you wish (not required). Welcome to WoW! Happy questing!Cerylia1041 Sep 30
Sep 1 Blindsight's How to Choose a Server Guide [Originally posted by Blindsight-Spirestone on the old Warcraft forums--it's my understanding he no longer posts, but this is a valuable and informative guide] Since it's a frequently asked question on these boards, I've thrown together a quick guide for how to pick a server. Server Datacentre Location - New York, Chicago, Phoenix, Los Angeles First and foremost: Limit your search to servers that are as close to you (physically) as possible. Closer servers will have better latency, and thus deliver a better play experience. WoWWiki has a great list by datacentre: Realm Type - PvP, PvE, RP, RP-PvP Now that you know which servers to look at, the next most important question is if you want to play on a PvE, PvP, RP, or RP-PvP server. RP vs. non-RP servers should be a simple choice: when interacting with other players, do you want to act "in character" replying to other players like they're living inside the world of Azeroth, or would you rather just play WoW like any other video game treating everyone else like a player at a keyboard? If you want to play on an RP server with active RPers: "Wyrmrest Accord and Moon Guard are very popular, but Moon Guard is very over populated." -Nok PvE vs. PvP is a bit of a tougher decision. On a PvP server, once you get to about lvl 20, in just about every questing zone you go to you can be attacked at any time by any player of the opposite faction (Horde vs. Alliance). If you like the idea of jumping other players while they're running around killing mobs/questing, this may be for you. If you don't like the idea of a max lvl player killing you in 1 shot when they ride by, then you may want to stick to PvE servers. Some people feel that PvP servers have a slightly more mature community since most children and/or immature players can't stand being killed randomly. Other people feel that PvP servers have a less mature community since it's full of teenagers who like to grief other players while they're just trying to quest. YMMV. Realm population - New, Low, Medium, High, Full The next major consideration for choosing a realm is the realms' population, both the total number of players and the Alliance / Horde ratio. This is a bit more complicated, and there are different ways of looking at the data. First, has a tool for taking a "census" of various realms, but it relies on data uploads from players on the server. Its data is only as accurate as the data it receives from player uploads, but it gives a pretty good baseline idea: Another useful way to look at population data is in terms of server age. Older servers tend to have higher populations. WoWWiki has a list of all US realms' creation dates: So that's great, but what does it mean? How does population affect the game? Here are a few points to consider: Empty servers: By far the easiest way of ruining the MMO experience is to have nobody to play with. Avoid servers with very low population. Queues: Very high population realms often have queue times. This could mean waiting for half an hour every time you want to play during prime time. During prime time (weekday evenings and weekends), check the realm status page to see if the server is listed as full: Economy: Higher population realms have more robust economies. This means the auction house will have many more items listed and will be much more competitive. 10/25 Man Raid PuGs: Higher population => more things happening => more groups going all the time. Pick up Groups will form more frequently and will fill faster, meaning you can play more and sit in town waiting for groups less. This also, however, means (on some servers) that PuGs can be more picky in who they take along since anyone can be replaced quickly. A/H ratio: Depending on how you like to play, you may want an even ratio so that everything that involves opposite faction interaction (like world PvP) are more fair, or you may want to be on the advantage side of an imbalanced ratio so that your side is usually winning. The only disadvantage with being on the plus side of a wildly imbalanced population is that soon, world PvP zones (i.e. Wintergrasp) will only allow the same number of players (beyond a minimum level of 20 players) from each faction in at the same time, so if nobody from the other side shows up, only 20 from your side can get in.Frejya117 Sep 1
Jul 4 BEWARE OF KEYLOGGERS! Don't follow that link! Version 2.0 added updates, new information, and cleaned up the format. Transferred from the Old Welcome to WoW forum. -Tera/Baloo I figured that a thread alerting new forum goers of our incessant keylogger issues right off the bat would be best suited in the Welcome/Beginners here goes... What is a Keylogger? How does it work? and why do I care? The World of Warcraft forums are a good place to come if you need information about your class, spec, profession or just have questions about the game in general. Unfortunately, a long with the good information that can be found here, there are also "people" who post links to websites that may imitate a legitimate WoW related website, but actually have a hidden program that gets installed on your computer in the background, without your knowledge. These small programs or scripts are used to record any keystrokes that you make on the keyboard, and secretly send those recorded keystrokes to a person who will then use that information to gain illegal access to your WoW account, bank account, or any other sensitive information. People who have their accounts "hacked" in this manner, will find that when they log on to their characters they have been stripped of any and all gear, crafting materials, Bank contents liquidated, and all of their gold gone. The violated account will then be used to re-post more links to keylogger websites on the official WoW forums in an effort to perpetuate the problem. Eventually the account will be left with nothing more than naked toons, and in some cases the characters are deleted as well once the account has been banned from posting in the forums by the Blizzard Moderators. These hidden programs or scripts can be embedded, actually hidden inside the data of other types of files such as Pictures, movies, flash objects or malicious web pages. How do I know if a link is a Keylogger or not? Well, after you have seen a few of them, you start to notice a few different things that they all seem to have in common. First, most of the time keyloggers are some random topic or a link to some picture or web page that has NOTHING to do with WoW or the topic in which the link is posted. These links are usually accompanied by some random one line comment that makes little or no sense. Also most of the time these links are Chinese specific domains, such as: somedomain dot "cn". An example might look like: > "It's too good to be true!" (followed by a link to a picture) > "Naked woman caught by satellite!" (followed by a link to a picture or video, and a statement such as:"Don't be so relaxed while you are taking the sun naked in the garden of your house... Big brother could be watching you!!!)" > "NERF INC!" (followed by a link to a picture) > "Just Beautiful! (followed by a link to a picture) >"Huge Alliance raid on Halaa (w/ pics)" (with several links to pictures)** (See note below) >"Shapeshifting proposals (Again, with pics)" (with several links to pictures)** >"Hey Kalgan, we're fine!" (With links to several .php documents, Kalgan is/was a WoW Developer) >"#%!#!!ex Toy" (Links to videos embedded in PHP scripts, with a story about a "neglected" girlfriend) Also, some examples of websites that seem to be posted a bunch "look" like they are WOW related websites, but upon closer inspection they are actually not legit: -warldofwarcraft -worldofworceaft - mmosgame - warcraftmoviies (note the double "ii" in movies) - warcraftm0vies (note the Zero in place of an "o") ** "warcraftmovies" IS a legitimate website ** **Note** It seems that whoever is posting the Key Loggers has gotten a bit less lazy and actually put some scheme together that looks like a legit post. These posts are usually about some "proposal/suggestion or bug fix (note:these issues should only be reported in the Suggestions or Bug Reports forums, NOT in the Welcome/Beginners forum, so that's your first clue.)" or of a raid on a major city. Most recently is a raid on Halaa (the PVP objective in Nagrand, Outland), with several links to pictures of their "event or evidence". These links are hostile and will infect your system. If someone is legitimately posting up pictures of a raid, they will be active on the forums and will usually be willing to speak with you about the link in question, whereas a keylogger almost certainly won't respond.Baloo129 Jul 4
Mar 15, 2017 RAF & Recruitment Does NOT Belong Here (FAQ) I figured I'd nip this in the bud before it starts up in the new forum. Original post is copied from Munbar of Wyrmrest Accord, but I've expanded it. Q. My new RAF thread keeps getting locked, why? A. The New Player Help and Guides forum is no longer being used for RAF. Q. Why did my reroll/leveling partner post get deleted or moved? A. Because rerolls and "LF leveling partner" posts are deemed recruitment threads, and recruitment threads do not belong here. They belong in the realm forums or the guild recruitment forums. Q. But I'm not recruiting! A. In the eyes of the moderators, yes, you are. You're recruiting someone to reroll on a server or join you for leveling or meet in-game. Hence why the threads will be locked/deleted or moved to the appropriate forum. Posting on a realm forum has a better local audience for leveling partners anyway. Blue post: ... ... Another blue post: ... As one of our regulars Monmon so eloquently put it: ... Q. Where do I go to post my RAF or recruitment thread? A. You should head to either the realm forum of the realm you are planning on finding someone to RAF, or the guild recruitment forum on your faction. If you need something like charter signatures or other "local" hookups, go to your server forum. Q. But I'm on a trial account and can't post there! A. Cry me a river. You're still not allowed to post it here. Get an actual friend to recruit you rather than fishing for a stranger on the forums. Q. Why did they stop using the New Player Help and Guides forum? A. The RAF threads were reproducing so quickly that the forum was getting bogged down by the reposters and spam, detracting from the forum's original purpose, which is helping newbies with their WoW questions. RAF does -not- help new players, as the vast majority of RATS (recruit a total stranger) hookups fall through once the trial account is made, or the new player is left with little experience, gold, and the supposed "forum friend" ditches them readily. The forum regulars went on a crusade against the RAF spam, and we finally got Blizzard's attention. The mods have been quickly removing/locking the RATS threads, keeping the forum happy and clean. Q. What action will be taken against me if I keep posting in the New Player Help and Guides forum? A. Your forum account will likely be banned after repeatedly posting the same thread after it has been locked/deleted. Q. Where should I go to suggest a RAF forum? A. Head to the Website Feature Suggestion forum. ( Q. Can I post in the General forum about RAF? A. As of now, this has been undecided, yet some people have been. It is recommended to go to the guild recruitment forum or realm forum. Q. When will a RAF forum or sticky be made? A. As of now Blizzard is not planning on making an RAF forum or stick. If you continue to suggest it in the Website Suggestions forum, this might change. Thank you for taking your time to read this, please go to the suggested forum stated above before posting your RAF and recruitment threads.Icedragon89 Mar 15, 2017
Dec 28, 2016 Better Living through Technology!(new2macros) *note: this guide is for people who haven't used macros or advanced keybinds and want to try. Macros are basically 'super buttons' that you can create in order to use multiple abilities and spells from the same button. This means even if you have 15 different abilities, you can key them all to 3-5 buttons. With macros you can do things like: 1) have all your buff spells on one button 2) 'hide' abilities that you don't use very often so they only show when you need them 3) 'group' similar abilities so that, for example, all your commonly used melee skills are on one button 4) maximize your rotation so that you're always one step ahead of the GCD Macros are great, but there are a few limitations: 1) complicated! -learning macros takes a good chunk of time. It's only something I've been able to do since my work gives me some 'free time' to cruise the UI/macro forum. 2) software limited -While very powerful, there is potential to abuse macros so that, for example, you could hit one button and your character would kill every mob in range (eventually). This potential for abuse has cause blizzard to put some powerful limitations on macros. More about this later. 3) the One Button rule -each macro button can use only one ability each time you press the button. You can code this so that it will use a different ability each and every time you press it (and on a different target!), but you can't press the button once and, for example, have it cast all 5 self buffs on you. I don't even know where to start?! To get started with macros, it's very simple. Just log on WoW and type /m. This brings up your macro box, where you just have to hit 'new' and the game will prompt for a name and an icon. I recommend that you leave the icon as a question mark. (?) The question mark means the game will automatically pick up the picture of the ability that the macro will use. My First Macro For your first macro lets just replace a normal ability you use on your bar in combat. I'm going to use paladin abilities here, but you can replace them with whatever ability you like. So to make my first macro, I went to the /m menu in game, picked a new macro, and gave it the question mark icon. Then I click on the icon, click on the empty box, and type: /cast This is the basic core of every macro. It's basically like the verb in a sentence. You can use different 'verbs' (called slash commands) but this is probably the most popular. Since I want this macro to cast Hammer of the Righteous, I simple type that in after the /cast. /cast Hammer of the Righteous And pow! I'm done! If you drag this onto your bar and hit it a million times, you basically have the paladin protection spec in a nutshell (lol). However this doesn't really give you any extra functionality over a normal keybind. The next thing I'm going to do is make the macro heal a friendly if I have a friendly targeted, or if it's an enemy it will use SotR (shield of the righteous). To do this you add a conditional. This says 'only cast this spell if 'X' is true.' It looks like this (with a breakdown of the macro underneath): /cast [help] Word of Glory; [harm] Shield of the Righteous \__/ \____/\__________/\/ \____/\__________________/ verb-conditional---|---separator|----------------| -------------------ability---------conditional----Ability What this macro will do is check the status of your current target. A 'friendly'(help) value will cause my paladin to heal the target. An 'enemy'(harm) value will trigger the attack ability. If you can grasp macros thus far, you've already learned enough to make macros useful for you. Putting this on your bar will basically cut the number of keybinds you need by 1. Modifier macro commands Another handy feature you can use with macros is called a Modifier. This may sound familiar but it's possible to set a macro so that it will use a different ability or spell if you hold down control, alt, or shift. Here's a basic example: /cast [mod:alt] Seal of Truth;[mod:ctrl] Blessing of Kings;[mod:shift] Righteous Fury; Seal of Insight If you had this macro bound to 1, and you press 1, it would cast Seal of truth (and the seal picture would be on the keybind). Pressin ctrl would change the icon to blessing of kings and would cast blessing of kings if you pressed ctrl-1, etc....Raygecow149 Dec 28, 2016
Feb 6 ======= Can't Find the Right Class/Race/Alt? ... ^ Is that big enough? If you're giving advice or answering these threads, see guidelines at the end of this guide. I'm a regular poster on this forum, and one of the most common threads is the classic "I don't know what class/race to be" thread. The main problem with these threads is that the original poster often doesn't give readers enough information to make any suggestions. Help us out, and we'll try to help you :) This is a guide on how to write a detailed "Help me find a class/race" thread. This is not a guide on how to find the right class/race...just on how to ask for help about it. Both sections here can have some gray area, so don't be afraid to give us more information. It's just that veteran WoW players usually know a bit more about the classes themselves so they have more background. They also know more terminology, so it's easier to interrogate them. NEW ADDITION: ICE'S CLASS/RACE SPINNERS! ... THINGS THAT DO NOT MATTER: Faction. All classes can be played on both factions. Survivability. Seriously, you can live to hit the level cap. All classes have this. PvP viability. Again, all classes have this. Doesn't matter unless you're twinking. Raid/group desirability. The only reason you'd be refused from a group is because 1) you're undergeared/bad or 2) they have a lot of that class already. Everyone is viable - DPS are balanced, healers are balanced, tanks are balanced. You want the "best" class/race combo. There isn't a best combo or a best class or a best race. It doesn't exist. Most OP (overpowered) class. Blizzard changes the class balance so much that leveling something purely to be "overpowered" is a futile idea. By the time you hit level cap, the balance would have shifted. Right now there ISN'T a super godly class anyway. Most fun class. I want a bumper sticker that says "Fun is subjective." What I think is fun might not be your cup of tea, so making a good suggestion for you based on "fun" isn't going to be accurate. Use this chart: low Impact on Performance high 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 class gear skill spec IF YOU'RE NEW TO THE GAME AND HAVE NEVER PLAYED: ---> OR HAVE NOT REACHED LEVEL 60 YET Do you want to have a permanent pet? Is a temporary one okay with you? Or does it not matter if you have a pet? Are you partial to cloth wearers or do you want a little more bulk in your armor? What have you played in other games before? Maybe you played a caster in another game and liked it, or have a fondness for barbarians/warriors. WoW might have a rough equivalent for you! Do you want to be able to heal yourself and others, or are you okay with lacking those spells? Which is your preference: attacking enemies from a distance or being up in their faces? Are you the sneaky type or do you take pleasure ripping out internal organs as a greeting right off the bat? Do you want to be on the front lines with a shield or watching over your group to keep them safe? Will you be leveling with a friend or mostly on your own? If you're doing it with a friend, what are they planning to level, or have they not decided yet? Have you read about classes at all yet? If so, what stands out as interesting to you? Have you tried any classes already? Are you interested in the lore or story of Warcraft? Some classes have a lot of easily-absorbed lore while others are a little "less detailed" in their history. Interested in roleplaying at all? This goes with the previous question, but some races/classes are easier to roleplay as a newbie than others (with lots of history to adhere to). Do any of the races stick out to you as being attractive? Not every race can be every class, so if you have an early favorite (or if you really dislike one in particular) this can narrow things down.Icedragon172 Feb 6
1d New Player Friendly Guilds Check In Here! If you're a new player friendly guild and willing to take new guildmates under your wing, then please post in this thread. Guild Name: Faction: Realm: Primary Focus: (PvE, PvP, RP, etc.) Recruiting Officer or Best Contact for your guild:Nethaera104 1d
6d New Player Terms and Abbreviations Greetings and welcome to Warcraft! As a new player you may have seen many acronyms and abbreviations, this short guide (using information from oflegends with full permission) should be helpful in your quest to understand what the heck people are saying :) If anyone notices any missing from this list please let me know. General Terms AFAIK - As Far As I Know AFK – Away From Keyboard Asap - As soon as possible ATM – At the Moment BBS – Be Back Soon Bio - Biological function break (Bathroom, etc.) BS - Can mean either Blacksmith or Bull Poopie, depending on context BRB – Be Right Back BRT - Be right there BTW – By The Way BYO<?> – Buy/Bring Your Own <Insert letter for fourth phrase here, ex. Mats: BYOM> D/C - Disconnected (from the game) EULA - End User License Agreement, a legal document of most games ERP – Erotic Role Play FPS - First-Person Shooter (games), or Frames per Second (WoW) depending on context FYI – For Your Information FTL - For the Loss/Lose (meaning you dislike something) FTW - For the Win (meaning you think something is awesome) GG – Good Game GJ – Good Job GL - Good Luck GTFO – Get the Flip Out/Off GTG/G2G - Means either "good to go" or "got to go", depending on context GZ - Grats H/O – Hold on IDC – I don’t care (IDRC can also be used for “I don’t really care”). IDK – I don’t know. IIRC - If I Recall Correctly IMHO/IMCO – In My Honest/Humble Opinion/In My Considered Opinion IMO – In My Opinion IRL – In Real Life JK - Just kidding! LAWL - Laugh(ing) a Whole Lot LMAO – Laughing My (rear end) Off LMK – Let Me Know LOL – Laughing Out Loud Lul - A variation of "Lol", the letters don't individually stand for anything. MMORPG – Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game Newb – Newbie (A new person), not usually used to insult Noob – A generally insulting term for someone who is disruptive/inattentive. (Some players think newb and noob mean the same thing, and refer to newbies as noobs.) NP - No Problem NPC – Non-player character (a computer-run person in the game) NTY – No, Thank You Nub – Non-useful body. Most players simply throw this term around. Ofc – Of course OIC – Oh, I See OMG/zOMG - Oh my God/Gosh OMGWTFBBQ - Expresses total shock or confusion to the point of the brain being reduced to barbecue. OMW – On My Way OP – Original Post(er) (forums), Overpowered (class, spell, etc) Pls/Plz/Plox - Please PvE – Player versus Environment PvP – Player versus Player Pwn – Typo of the word “own”, usually used when someone is overwhelmingly defeated. "Pawn/pown" is also sometimes typed. ROFL – Rolling on Floor Laughing RP – Role Play (Usually PvE) RPPvP – Role Play Player versus Player Srsly - Seriously Sry/Soz - Sorry TL;DR – Too long; didn’t read TMI – Too Much Information ToU - Terms of Use, a legal document of most games Troll – Someone who intentionally provokes unfavorable reactions in others TY – Thank You w/e - Whatever WB – Welcome Back w00t! - Originally was a combination of the words "wow, loot!" But is now used just to express excitement. WTF - See below abbreviation; replace "hell" with less desirable word WTH – What/Who The Hell WTV – Whatever XD – A smiley face. Think of the biggest grin you can make.Kagara97 6d
Apr 2 [Guide] WoW Game Tokens *****UPDATE TO WOW TOKENS***** Effective: February, 6th, 2017 You can now use WoW Tokens for Balance when you purchase one off of the AH. You may find further information on this new update to the WoW Token System here! Trade a WoW Token for Balance: *****Original Version of this Guide***** Hello to all new and veteran World of Warcraft Players! Welcome to my extensive guide regarding the new World of Warcraft Game Tokens! :-) Which Patch did World of Warcraft Game Tokens launch?: The World of Warcraft Game Tokens were launched in World of Warcraft on April, 7th, 2015. When will the Game Tokens be available to World of Warcraft Players?: Game Tokens started to roll out first on realms that are serving (North America, Oceania, and Latin America). After this it had become expanding to other regions in weeks after the release of Game Tokens on North American Realms. What is the cost for World of Warcraft Game Tokens?: For Canadians the price is $25.00 CAD For New Zealand residents the price is $32 NZD ($23 USD) here, which includes 15% GST For U.S. Residents the price is $20.00 USD Where can I purchase the World of Warcraft Game Token?: You can purchase the WoW Game Token from the in-game shop. If you choose to purchase it for usage on your Account from the Auction House there will be a new tab called "Game Time". WoW Tokens will be listed at a base price of 30,000 gold. However note though that the price for WoW Tokens can go below 30,000 gold or climb up in price. Prices are based on demand for these tokens. How much times may you use the WoW Game Token?: You may use the token ONLY on the Auction House! Once it's sold it is Soul Bound to the buyer and can only be used (1) time to redeem for game time for your World of Warcraft account. Once sold as well the seller will receive the gold they sold it for! Can I set my own price for the token when selling on the Auction House?: At this time, Blizzard has stated upon listing it onto the Auction House, A pre-set price determined by Blizzard will be the listing price. This price may go up or down pending on the sale(s) of the WoW Token in each region. You cannot at this time set your own personal price for the WoW Token! The current price you sell the WoW Game Token for in the Auction House is set at 30,000 gold. However note though that the price for WoW Tokens can go below 30,000 gold or climb up in price. Prices are based on demand for these tokens. May I buy the token if my account is inactive?: YES! The option to purchase the token will additionally be on the character select menu if your character has the gold to purchase them. May I purchase the WoW Token with my local currency?: Tokens can only be purchased in US currency at the moment. If the system is trying to use Euros, For example, it's not going to go through - or indeed, give you that option. Will Recruit a Friend Work with these tokens?: YES! They will count just like game cards for your friend you recruited! I'm getting a grey button that states "Not enough Gold", But I'm certain I got the correct amount. What does this mean?: You would get this error in question if you have enough gold if there is not enough World of Warcraft Tokens for sale on the market. In this case, Please try again later when more are in-stock. Is there a limit of WoW Tokens I may purchase per month to sell?: Yup. The limit you may sell is capped at (10) tokens every (7) days. I spent the correct amount of gold, But did not receive the token? What do I do?: Blizzard is aware of this bug and the developers have announced that the gold spent would be returned to the person(s) that purchased the token off the Auction House! You should expect it to return via in-game mail. When buying a token can I use gold from both factions?: Yes. You may purchase the token using gold from both your Alliance and Horde characters! Please note though that the gold pulled from your character(s) all come from the same realm the character(s) are on. You cannot pull gold from multiple realms at this time! May I purchase tokens using my Balance?: Yes, If you have the sufficient funds you will be able to! Xanlorash [The Insane] Looking for more World of Warcraft Token information - Please refer to post below! Thank-you!Xanlorash3 Apr 2
1h 7th legionnaire plate set Right now I have the arm guards, great belt and cloak blue grade for the 7th legionnaire plate war front set. I've looked on places like wowhead in the comments to see if they could tell me where to get the rest of the pieces. I move my mouse over one of the missing pieces I need and all it says is quest, but it doesn't say what quest will give it. Can anyone plz give me the intel I need to get the rest of the pieces I need for the 7th legionnaire plate war front set. Plz Help ThanksMelfina1 1h
18h To Azsuna for the first time? Hello! So I'm just returning since right before Cata end of WotLK and I've leveled and just yesterday reached the Broken Isles. You get your artifact quest and you end up with this choice on where to go first in the Broken Isles. I didn't know where was a more preferred or more manageable list on how to do these according to difficulty, but the consensus seems to be that Azsuna should be first, and Highmountain last and it varies in between. I didn't realize this, however until after I recently just completed the cheevo for the quests in Stormheim which is where I went first. Now I am in New Dal and I want to get to Azsuna. Is there no quest or way for me to get there for the first time? I've read that a Rogue has made it from Dal and by jumping off made it into Azsuna but I'm a priest so I do have levitate but it's risky and I just figured I'd ask if anyone else had a suggestion? I've checked the quest boards in Org but no available quests for entering any other areas of the Broken Isles. I DO have most of the flight paths in Stormheim but when I tried travelling through Suramar I got my butt handed to me. Thanks in advance. -kahnKahnstantine3 18h
1d Guards attacking me in Arom's Stand, Drustvr? I was going through a herb collecting route, and the guards at Arom's Stand attack me, but not anyone else, horde or alliance. What's going on?Coiasilma1 1d
1d Newbie questions. Just a couple quick questions about dungeons. I have some wow experience but not a lot and my gf and I started leveling together recently. We are both 15 now as a priest (me healing) and a hunter (her BM). 1. So first how do I turn off her pets auto taunt? I know when i was tanking in legion this was annoying to deal with. 2. With all of the dungeons scaling now can I even heal a high level tank? Or does my heal scale to the level 50 tanks hp? 3. Do they eventually explain how to tame other pets for a hunter? 4. This one is kind of random but I got her 3 months of game time to try the game out and then we did the RAF system. Does anyone know if I can still get the pet/mount reward? Thank you for your timeFuzx6 1d
1d First time buy free month? So I started playing wow 1 month ago, i reached lvl 110 with my first subscription, and now i have to buy bfa to continue to 120. Ive read somewhere this "When you first upgrade to the full game, 30 days of game time are included". Does that means if I buy bfa now ill have 1 month free or do i need to buy game time too?Bareiyhuman3 1d
1d How to move the quest tracker and bags on UI? On my hunter and mage, the quest list on the UI is moved slightly to the left of the side of the screen, giving some space for my action bars. When I open up my inventory, the bags are also aligned away from the side of the screen. On my demon hunter and other classes though, it's moved as far right as possible. I'm using the dominos addon, and I wanted to have action bars on that side of the screen. How do you move the quests and bags? Not sure if I accidently did it with dominos on those characters. Here is a screenshot showing the difference 1d
1d Question about WoW tokens At what point in the game am I able to start earning a stable income where I can afford the Wow token every month? Will that be when I reach the level cap, or when I max out a profession and grind that, and so on.Bertle4 1d
1d New player TBC questions I start d playing a month or so ago. I leveled, quested, did dungeons, and pvp’d. I got my healer to level 60 and did a few dungeons. I expected the gear to correlate or progress further but the gear all seems less than previously. Specifically, I received a lot of gear from the dungeons like Strateholme. I did five or six for level 60 in TBC. A lot of the gear has only versatility while my previous gear has combinations of crit, haste, and versatility. I did get some gear that had sockets. When I check the gem vendor in honor hold(believe that is name), the gem vendor does not sell all the secondary stats that I am looking for and the auction house has nothing in my level range. The only upgrade that I see are in primary stats where gear would have stamina and intellect while previous it may have only had one or the other. My mana total does not go up but I think I have seen a very slight increase in base healing or damage. I would love to do the content but it is pretty discouraging when everything looks like downgrades from pre TBC. What am I missing? Why would I swap out all my gear when I am only seeing a very slight change in some spell bases with huge loses to crit chance and haste? Heck, the gem vendor did not even have a haste gem to socket.Rymal4 1d
1d Looting the Darkmoon Rabbit I'm fairly new to WoW, and I haven't really been able to find an answer for this. So here goes: I more or less understand how loot works for open-world bosses. But the Darkmoon Rabbit has me a bit confused. I understand that the Rabbit used to drop a single pet awarded to one person out of everyone who killed it. Now it seems to drop four pets (hurray!). So my questions are: Does it make a difference, loot-wise, if multiple groups (not individuals) are attacking the Rabbit? Will the first group that pulls get the pets, or is it truly randomly handed out to everyone that took part in the combat? If there's a group with warmode on and one with warmode off, will they both be able to attack the same rabbit? If so, does that affect loot distribution in any way? If there are no groups, just a bunch of individuals (which tends to happen when the Faire first starts) does it matter who hits the rabbit first? If you do more DPS/heals/etc. than someone else, is it more likely that the pet will drop for you?Cmdrtaco6 1d
1d Paladin, Druid Or Monk! Stuck please help. So i have had a rough time trying to decide between these three at the moment. Main spec will probably be MS holy os dps (this will problly be split 50/50 for dungeons). Paladin, Druid or monk in that order so ill make a list and would love for some mains to chime in. (i have each at 120 and not sure which i like more so id like to get some facts) 1. I wanna push high level Mythic Dungeons so which of the healers is gonna be good for that same for dps if i choose to dps 2. Getting into a raiding guild will one of those classes be wanted more over the others? 3. Pvp Arena's is gonna be something i also want to start getting competitive with so how are each doing in that aspect dps or heals. 4. how is the utility on each? 5. What made you fall in love with your class and main or Paladin / Druid / monk?Paladwar4 1d
1d Transfer Starter Edition toon Can I transfer my acc and char to a higher pop realm for free?Sakuni6 1d
1d Best Hunter Spec for PvE Dungeons and Raids? Just wondering what the best spec is to do dps in dungeons. I'm always hearing that hunters are terrible and I was thinking of just rolling a mage or something. Also, tanks keep getting mad at me because my pet keeps aggroing. Is there any way I can make my pet not do that? I put him as ferocity does that fix that?Kevenfu11 1d
2d Unlocking Legion class hall missions in BFA Hey guys, My end goal is to unlock Void Elf race, for that I need to get exalted with Argussian Reach. It turns out that you can get some rep from class hall missions. I've never played Legion, but I have a 120 Rogue that I used the 110 boost. How do I unlock class hall missions on a boosted toon so I can do some missions to grind rep?Wakaw5 2d
2d New to WoW So I played until around lvl 60 and then boosted. Noticed I lost my flying in some zones bought the expert flying book still grounded. Do I need to do the Draenor quest to fly in all the other zones now?Mattil1 2d
3d Nightfallen Quest Line Not sure if I'm posting this in the correct area but I'll give it a shot. I was just wondering if anyone could bring something to light for me. I've been trying to grind to get the Nightborne race and the last thing I did was complete the quest 'As Strong As Our Will' and got the Insurrection achievement. I wasn't sure if that was the last thing to do or if I was missing a quest line somewhere. It didn't seem to end right without actually raiding the Nighthold or whatever it's called. Do I have to get exalted with the Nightborne before I can go any farther or not? Sorry in advance if I didn't post this in the correct area as I never post in forums and don't know how everything typically works. If you could give me some insight it would be much appreaciated. Thank you.Vynlorann4 3d
3d How do stats add up Looking at secondary stats I'm curious how much a point of +1 crit or vers = in terms of % as shown in the armory. For this toon for example when I add up the stats from my gear I get: 126 Crit = 29% 60 Haste = 11% 39 Vers = 4% 10 Mastery = 10% The 10% mastery must be coming from the +10 to all stats enchant. Looking at this it looks like mastery is 1% per +1, but Vers is almost 0.1% per +1? Is that correct? Is there a good source that breaks this out somewhere? I haven't been able to find anything on wowhead, etc... that shows what 1 point of a stat is worth in terms of %.Gorodan2 3d
4d Leyshock's Grand Compilatic drop? Hello! I'm a frost mage and I was told Leyshock's Grand Compilatic was my BiS trinket for both single target and aoe, but I'm so confused on how I should go about farming it... Apparently it drops off of some Nazmir rares according to Wowhead but there's no actual information on which rares actually drop it nor the drop rate. If anyone could help me on an effective way to farm it, which mobs, or whatever method you used to obtain one. Thanks! =)Pitufín1 4d
4d What should i boost I play horde but I'm deciding to boost an alliance character with bfa because I dont have one. I enjoy druid or warrior but I dont know witch would be the best to boost. ( I play pvp)Pawslap3 4d
4d Thoughtful n00b seeks friends, guidance Hello, World! I played WoW in closed beta back in 2004 and played through 2005 or so. Zip. 14 years pass. A few weeks ago, I started playing again. Which de facto makes me a fully-qualified n00b because—my!—things have changed. I've spent hours reading other forum posts, Googling, absorbing information—i.e. performing due diligence—but I'm feeling overwhelmed and particularly wary about the part of WoW that used to seem much easier: other human beings. Not to wax nostalgic, but it used to be you could have engaging, kind discussions on general chat channels, join friendly groups and find a guild (also friendly). Now the situation seems forbidding. Is everyone a full-time expert at this? Are people this...mean to each other on every realm? I've leveled a new character up into her 50s but I'm terrified to do a dungeon run because I'm afraid the rest of the group would take one look at my gear (a smattering of blue, mostly green, one heirloom) and tell me to get the hell out of the room (ditto with battlegrounds or anything PvP, really). But solo questing can only get me so far. And, hey, I'm a bit lonely out there. I'm legitimately interested in playing my character and class well, but I'm sure I have much learning to do! I am enjoying leveling from scratch—Blizzard have made this SO MUCH MORE FUN than it used to be. OK, get to the point, I know! I'm seeking kind and thoughtful folks, a community or guild who are/is willing to tolerate a low-level player who is naive and eager to get better. I'm absolutely casual; I play the game because it is fun and relaxing. Which turns out to be several hours per day right now. I was an adult when WoW first came out in '04, so that's a clue that I'm a mature player—I'm not aggressive or over-ambitious; I just want to have fun with nice people. Currently (Alliance) on Muradin, but, hell, I'd pay for a server transfer (or start a new toon) to hang out with welcoming folks. p.s. Yep, I considered posting on a different forum (e.g. Guild Recruitment), but this feels a little...different. Forgive me if it feels misplaced.Melpomene7 4d
4d Action Bar Macros? I'm just getting back into playing after two years, and I was wondering if there's macros specifically to change to your bottom left/right action bars? The new HUD is kinda weird in comparison to when last I played, so some of my old hotkeys are gone. I found that I can make simple /changeactionbar # macros, but this doesn't seem to change it to the other hotbars on my screen. I wanna be able to swap to the ones I can see, with a simple macro, if there is any.Tenderloins2 4d
5d Gear Leve;l How come i cant get gearlv higher than 300 cause right now my total item level is 320 and i dont seem to get better gear even when i do mythic dungeonsNumfordd1 5d
5d Newbie Here Looking for some friendly people to show me the ropes and help me build my character correctly and what i should focus on.Vedrialin6 5d
5d Rares Hello guys, how you doing? I have a question, the rare ones spread by the BFA zone, those who give you trickets and some equipments, their drops are unique? Daily? Weekly? Or am I just not really lucky? < like this oneHimamoto3 5d
5d Bringing in new friends and RAF nerf From WoWhead: "In Patch 7.3.5, the XP boost gained from the Recruit-A-Friend program when playing with a linked friend is down from 200% (300% XP vs. base XP) to 50% (150% XP vs. base XP). In addition, the XP bonuses provided by heirlooms do not stack with the RAF bonuses." A little test of this with new player friend killing mobs in Yaungol advance - 672 in party vs 1684 alone. Mining nodes? 1k less exp per node. And those heirlooms are useless to new friend if she plays with me. That seems like we are being punished a fair bit for being in a party together, not like we are getting a bonus. I am unsure about the quest turn ins. My god it makes it hard to get new people excited when there are no fun abilities to get anymore, no real reason to RAF aside from what...the mount I got? We do better alone than together. Am I missing something? How do they expect to get new people excited about this game?Qaaliaa4 5d
6d Class trials I have a level 59 priest twink who I want to get the season 2 set for, however, I don't have a level 70 priest. If I make a class trial, send the tokens to that class trial, can the trial then buy (and unlock) the set for me?Tinasi0 6d
6d Set View/Save View I've read that you can keybind a custom camera view but i cannot for the life of me find instructions on how to do this?Zathrien5 6d
6d Titles Hello! I noticed some players have titles. So-and-so The Gullible" for example. I'm sure those are not typed out as part of the name. How does one earn a title?Vahallae7 6d
6d Heirloom weapons upgrading to 110 Hi everyone. Is upgrading your heirloom weapon to 110 worth it?Snapcrackle4 6d
Oct 8 "ready for pickup" on mission table I see that I got some troops and I know the time is up since I made them yesterday. It now says "4 ready for pickup" but I don't know how to pick them up and I can't find anything on this after googling for like 15 mins. Can anyone help me out here? If I need to pick them up somewhere, where do I go?Shekelsberg6 Oct 8
Oct 7 A Guide to Cross-Realm Technology Legion Updates ... World of Warcraft today is a very different MMO than many remember so fondly. Blizzard has made several changes to the game over the years that encourage inclusiveness and accessibility for its wide playerbase so that they get an equal opportunity. One of the largest and most noticeable changes was introduced in the Mists of Pandaria Pre-Patch, in which Blizzard introduced CRZ, or Cross-Realm Zones, to most of the game world. But how exactly does that work? Can we play with friends on another realm? Join their guild? Does our realm even matter now? I see these questions asked a lot by players new and old, so let's dive into not just cross-realm zones, but cross-realm technology across the game in general, including subjects like Connected Realms and Battlegroups. "What is a Cross-Realm Zone?" ... CTRL+F Directory: Search "XPLAY" to learn about what content is available cross-realm, as well the limitations to how you can interact with players on another realm. Search "CRC" to learn about Connected Realms, or merged/coalesced/joined realms. Search "XREALMS" to learn about who is pooled together to make a cross-realm zone. Search "XGROUPS" to learn about how cross-realm zones and instances are hosted by different servers. Search "XQUEUES" to see me talk about matchmaking and battlegroups but probably not learn anything.Scutshakes10 Oct 7
Oct 7 "BRB. Changing Characters" What's going on when you're in chat and the person you're chatting with says that, and then you don't see them again? ThanksWolkenlaufre5 Oct 7
Oct 7 Already signed error with Charter Signatures Trying to get the required number of signatures, however when I send a request, the window opens for the other player, but when they click join, a pop-up states that they have already signed. This is happening on a Charter with not one name on it. These are people all within my realm, and who have the charter block turned off. Any and all help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.Daedaluswren5 Oct 7
Oct 7 How bad are shaman actually? I've heard plenty of people telling me how bad shaman are and how they get benched all the time. How bad are they actually though? Like is it unfun to play? I don't do high level mythics or raiding, the most I ever do is like mythic 4 but mostly just questing and raidfinder, maybe normal raids.Darkbeard6 Oct 7
Oct 6 Appearance Change in game For the appearance chance in game, is it only the barber for hair, or can I do a full sex/skin color/face change? If so, where can I find it?Celord8 Oct 6
Oct 6 Does BG scaling X0-X9 give you talents? If you're level 30 and you join a BG and it scales you to 39 and you have a new ability unlocked at 36 do you get access to that ability during the battleground?Apropos1 Oct 6
Oct 6 New player, adventure guide or level quests? Hey everyone, I'm a new WoW player and wondering what best way to level. I'm a blood elf holy priest and have just been doing quests from the starting area now down to Ghostlands. I noticed the adventure guide has suggested content too. So if I wanted to get to make max level, would it be better to continue doing quests in areas, moving across the maps as the quests naturally do, or do the suggested content. Thanks!Healingchad5 Oct 6
Oct 6 Need help with realm selection Hey everyone, I'm currently in US-Aegywnn and I just found out that the realm is EST based(i think). I'm having trouble making it to guild raids, since i'm a GMT player. I'm just wondering what GMT realm(s) would be best for me to transfer over to. Looking for a decently populated realms with a good balance between Horde:Alliance population; Preferably Oceania realms too. (but I heard that they're dead? Is that true?)Maytj1 Oct 6
Oct 5 Cooldowns- Real time vs. Game Time Not exactly a new player, but this is a pretty newb question. When you use something that has a long cooldown, e.g. a hearthstone, would that cooldown continue to expire if you log out and do something else for 15/30 minutes? Or do you have to be in game for 30 minutes for it to come off cooldown again? I was also wondering this about other stuff like dungeon deserter, res sickness, etc.Ariustiand4 Oct 5