Sep 29, 2012 MoP Prot Gear Guide Welcome. With MoP coming up many of us tanks are now worried about what gear will you need to enter heroics/LFR/Raids/ect. In order to reduce the strain on you i compiled this handy dandy gear guide! In it i tried to list all gear that i believe you will be interested in from item level 450-500. In it i have listed all gear that contains any of the following tank stats: Hit/exp/mastery/doge/parry. NOTE that i included some haste and crit items. Currently Haste is a WEAK tanking stat. So getting a piece of gear with Haste on it can be a nice booby prize for a tank who just cant get that tanking item to drop. So any time haste shows with any of the above stats i included it. Crit is nearly worthless, but can be reforged. As such only crit items with mastery are included. Once again consider them carefully and dont roll on them over a str based dps. PLEASE do NOT take this to mean its okay to roll on a piece of haste or crit gear over a RET pally. Its not. But if no one needs it, haste items can be a decent upgrade for a tank and mastery even with crit is amazing. I also am only listing raid items at the LFR level. Realize there are Normal raid, and heroic raid versions of these items. First three posts are by Armor Slot. Helms/shoulders/chests/wrists/gloves/ and waists in this first post! Legs/boots/capes/Shields/weapons/necks/and rings- Trinkets- Crafted item- Reputation items- Quests items- Dungeons/Raids/World Bosses/BoEs- PVP Gear (coming soon) - Item enhancements/links/conclusion- Quick run down of the item level dropping from the following sources: Item Level Chart Content/ item level range Looking For Raid 476-483 Raid-489-496 Heroic raid-502-509 Protector Kaolan-503 norm 516 heroic Heroic 5man-463 (rare)/476 (epic from final boss) Normal 5mans 450 and below BREAKDOWN BY GEAR SLOT Helms Pre heroic 5mans Quality Temple Guardian Helm-quest- Masterwork Spiritguard Helm-crafted-12 (Ghost Iron Bar)+1 (Trillium Bar) Contender's Revenant Helm-crafted-12 (Ghost Iron Bar) Pre-Raid Quality Helm of Rising Flame-Boss Drop- Brother Korloff in Scarlet Monestary/Cathedral Greenstone Helm-Random Drop and effect Dreadful Gladiator's Scaled Helm-Honor Vendor Sightfinder Helm-Boss Drop -Commander Vo'jak -Siege of Niuzao Temple Raiding Quality Reinforced Retinal Armor-crafted by engineering-6(Living Steel)+12(Ghost Iron Bolts) White Tiger Faceguard-Raid-Tier Garalon's Hollow Skull-Raid-Garalon-Heart of Fear Yi's Least Favorite Helmet-Reputation- Shado-Pan REVERED Giantfoot Headguard-Boss Drop-From Chief Salyis/Galleon in Valley of the Four Winds Malevolent Gladiator's Scaled Helm-Conquest Vendor Shoulders Pre-heroic 5mans Masterwork Spiritguard Shoulders-crafted item-7(Ghost Iron Bar)+(Trillium Bar) Bladesworn Shoulders-quest- Contender's Revenant Shoulders-Crafted-7 (Ghost Iron Bar) Pre-raid Spaulders of Immovable Stone-Boss Drop-Wing Leader Ner'onok in Siege of Niuzao Temple Vigorsteel Spaulders-Boss Drop-Darkmaster Gandling-Scholomance Greenstone Pauldrons-Random Drop and Enchantment Dreadful Gladiator's Scaled Shoulders-Honor Vendor Serpentstrike Shoulderpads-Liu Flameheart - Temple of the Jade Serpent Raid Shoulderguards of the Unflanked-Random Boss Drop-Meng the Demented/Qiang The Merciless/Subetai the Swift/Zian of the endless Shadow-Mogu'shan Vaults Spaulders of the Scorned-BoE White Tiger Shoulderguards-Raid-Tier Shoulderpads of Misshapen Life-Boss Drop - Amber-Shaper Un'sok/Amber Monstrosity - Heart of Fear Pauldrons of the Broken Blade-Boss Drop-Blade Lord Ta'yak Shoulders of Autumnlight-Reputation-Golden Lotus-REVERED Malevolent Gladiator's Scaled Shoulders-Conquest Vendor Chest Pre-heroic 5mans Temple Guardian Chestpiece-quest- Masterwork Spiritguard Breastplate-crafted-12(Ghost Iron Bar)+1(Trillium Bar) Chestplate of the Stone Lion-Reputation-Klaxxi-HONORED Contender's Revenant Breastplate-Crafted-12 (Ghost Iron Bar) Pre-Raid Hateshatter Chestplate-Boss Drop-Taran Zhu- Shado-Pan Monastery Canine Commander's Breastplate-Boss Drop-Houndmaster Braun-Scarlet Halls Breastplate of Wracking Souls-Boss Drop-Instructor Chillheart-Scholomance Greenstone Breastplate-Random Drop and effect Durable Plate of the Golden Lotus-Quest- Raid Breastplate of Ancient Steel-crafted-8(Living Steel)+8(Spirit of Harmony) Breastplate of the Kings' Guard-Random Boss Drop-Meng/Qiang/Subetai/Zian-Mogu'shan Vaults Chestguard of Eternal Vigilance-Boss Drop-Jan-xi/Qin-Xi -Mogu'shan Vaults Boblet's Bouncing Hauberk-Random Drop White Tiger Chestguard-Raid-tier Cuirass of the Animated Protector-Boss Drop- Lei Shi -terrace of Endless Spring Dawnblade's Chestguard-Reputation - Golden Lotus-REVERED Cuirass of the Twin Monoliths-Reputation -Golden Lotus-REVERED Chestguard of Eternal Vigilance-Boss Drop-jan-xi/qin-xi Mogu'shan Vaults Ornate Battleplate of the Master-Crafted-8(Living Steel)+8(Blood Spirit)+8(Spirit of Harmony) Unyielding Bloodplate-Crafted-8(Living Steel)+8(Blood Spirit)+8(Spirit of Harmony) Ravaging Warrior's Chestplate-Boss Drop-Chief Salyis/Galleon in the Valley of the Four Winds Carapace of Crushed Conviction-Boss Drop-Chief Salyis/Galleon in the Valley of the Four Winds Bracers Pre-Heroic 5mans Masterwork Spiritguard Bracers-crafted-5(Ghost Iron Bar)+1(Trillium Bar) Serrated Forearm Guards-Reputation-Golden Lotus-Honored Contender's Revenant Bracers-Crafted-5 (Ghost Iron Bar) Pre-Raid Bubble-Breaker Bracers-Boss Drop-Hoptallus in Stormstout Brewery Ri'mok's Shattered Scale-Boss Drop-Commander Ri'mok in Gate of the Setting Sun Greenstone Vambraces-Random Drop and effect Dreadful Gladiator's Armplates of Alacrity-Honor Vendor Raid Bracers of Six Oxen-Boss Drop-Feng the Accused in Mogu'shan Vault Bonded Soul Bracers-Boss Drop-Gara'jal The Spiritbinder-Mogu'shan Vaults Serrated Wasp Bracers-Zone Drop-BoE Bracers of Defiled Earth-Boss Drop-Elder Asani/Elder Regail/ Protector Kaolan- Terrace of endless spring Battle Shadow Bracers-Reputation-The August Celestials-REVERED Malevolent Gladiator's Armplates of Alacrity-Conquest Vendor Gloves Pre-Heroic 5mans Hive Protector's Gauntlets-Boss Drop-Raigonn-Gate of the Setting Sun (normal) Masterwork Spiritguard Gauntlets-Crafted-7(Ghost Iron Bar)+1(Trillium Bar) Axebreaker Gauntlets-Boss Drop-Xin the Weaponmaster-Mogu'shan Palace (normal) Wall Breaker Gauntlets-Reputation-Shado-Pan HONORED Contender's Revenant Gauntlets-Crafted-7 (Ghost Iron Bar) Pre-Raid Hive Protector's Gauntlets-Boss Drop-Raigonn-Gate of the Setting Sun Gauntlets of Resolute Fury-Boss Drop-Master Snowdrift- Shado-Pan Monastery Axebreaker Gauntlets-Boss Drop-Xin the Weaponmaster-Mogu'shan Palace Greenstone Gauntlets-Random Drop and effect Raiding Ghost Reaver's Gauntlets-Crafted-5(item="72104" /])+8(Spirit of Harmony) Gauntlets of Ancient Steel-Crafted-5(Living Steel)+8(Spirit of Harmony) Starcrusher Gauntlets-Raid-Elegon-Mogu'shan vault White Tiger Handguards-Raid-Tier Windblade Talons-Raid-Blade Lord Ta'yak-Heart of Fear Gauntlets of Battle Command-Crafted-6(Living Steel)+6(Blood Spirit)+2 (Spirit of Harmony) Grasps of Serpentine Might-Boss Drop-Tsulong-Terrace of Endless Spring Waist Pre-Heroic 5mans Bladesworn Girdle-quest- Coldbite Girdle-Quest- Unbreakable Waistplate-BoE Masterwork Spiritguard Belt-Crafted-7(Ghost Iron Bar)+1(Trillium Bar) Contender's Revenant BeltCrafted-7 (Ghost Iron Bar) Binding of Broken Dreams-Boss Drop-Sha of Doubt - Temple of the Jade Serpent Pre-Raid Sparkbreath Girdle-Boss Drop-Azure Serpent/Gu Cloudstrike-Shado-Pan Monastery Waistplate of Imminent Resurrection-Boss Drop-High Inquisitor Whitemane- SM/Cathedral Greenstone Girdle-Random Drop and effect Dreadful Gladiator's Girdle of Prowess-Honor Vendor Dreadful Gladiator's Girdle of Accuracy-Honor Vendor Raiding Star-Stealer Waistguard-Raid-Amethyst/Cobalt/Jade/Jasper Guardians- Mogu'shan Vaults Waistplate of Overwhelming Assault-Raid-Blade Lord Ta'yak-Heart of Fear Protector's Girdle of Endless Spring-Raid-LeiShi/Tsulong- Terrace of Endless Spring Klaxxi Lash of the Consumer-Rep-The Klaxxi-REVERED Klaxxi Lash of the Rescinder-Rep-The Klaxxi-REVERED Greatbelt of Livid Fury-Boss Drop-Chief Salyis/Galleon Valley of the Four Winds Cord of Crazed Strength-Boss Drop-Chief Salyis/Galleon Valley of the Four Winds Malevolent Gladiator's Girdle of Prowess-Conquest Vendor Malevolent Gladiator's Girdle of Accuracy-Conquest VendorCelyndrashad32 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 Anyone else miss Auras? Pains me a little that Crusader Aura is gone (and that tanks no longer remind me to remove it in a dungeon because I mistakenly forgot to change it.) Am I the only one lamenting Auras a little bit?Skyelaar4 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 Aggro Seems Iffy? In before "l2p". Does aggro seem to be super sensitive? I tend to lose aggro easier these days.Blaximus25 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 Best Alliance Pally Class Here in a few days I'm going to faction change to alliance to play with some IRL friends, and the fact is, I have no clue what race to pick. I've almost exclusively played Horde for as long as I've played WoW. My question is, what is the best Alliance race to play as a pally and why? Here's what I've got so far: Dwarf Stoneform might be interesting, and Explorer would be nice if I ever decide to do Arch I don't see many dwarfs, so just their rarity in that respect is appealing Human All of the racials sound good, with the rep bonus sounding amazing I see humans everywhere and I'm not that fond of their models Draenai Gift of the Naaru for a free heal could be useful, and Heroic Presence sounds interesting Giant Blueberries, what's not to love? Any advice?Salathdran14 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 Lights Hammer Radius Animation Please I have one complaint about Lights Hammer at the time being. That is that most tanks and DPS that I have gotten in the past 2-3 days are complaining about not knowing the radius. Anyone else having that issue. If there could be one thing changed about this ability maybe ad a glowing area effect holy circle or something to help people know where the spell ends.... Just one thing throwing the idea out there.Schnappi0 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 Selfless Healer for healers Had to dust off this pally once again in order to help the guild with some Main Healing and was starting to get a little frustrated with early mana management. Felt myself slipping into old habits of Divine Lighting and Holy Radiancing ALL the time to keep up with the idiots standing in the bad and was finding myself drinking all the time, literally IRL and in game. So I spent past couple days wondering wtf was up, checked out a lot of what other pallies were taking talent and glyph wise and kind of stumbled upon the Selfless healer tier. Now I was taking the shield, cause I wasnt going to give up my WoG for a Hot, and who knows maybe its nice, but I think i can speak for the community and say we love our WoG. But reading back over the selfless healer talent, it seemed very intriguing; every time you judge you gain a 35% increase in cast time and efficiency of healing OTHER players with Flash of Light stacking up to 3 times, and therefore after 3 judges, its a FREE cast that heals for a TON. And even if you dont want to stack it to 3, its still our Flash heal, the fastest cast heal we have, even one stack or two of this wonderful talent is amazing. Now I was one of those pallies that never minded judging ALL the time, too me, I just got used to it, and when DS hit and they reworked it so you only had to do it once a minute, I still found myself doing it ALL the time out of habit. My toolbar says Judge these days is at a 5.4 cd for me, so in between shocking peeps to build my Holy powers, I'm also back to judging and loving it, always have many stacks of power for the occasional free AOE heal or our powerful wog, and in case some other idiot is being, well, an idiot, i have a free or nearly Free fast and POWERFUL Flash Heal. just my $.02, but i think its a wonderful talent and if you want to try it out, I think you'll like it.Pisd2 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 blessing for ret pallies When you guys are soloing/questing, which blessing are you using?Handera3 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 Is it just me or... ret damage crap? I'm pulling the same, if not less than I was at 85, yet ive seen monk tanks pull 2-3x what I can, and a frost mage pushing 60k single target, 120k aoe.... I'm by no means a bad player, so I'm thinking i'm either missing something, or pallies are just not in a good place right now...Braydrel11 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 Stat weight question for Ret So I was playing around with askmrrobot while the servers are down for fun and decided to look at what it says would be optimum gems/enchants/reforges currently. I was shocked to see that it put hybrid str+haste gems in red gem slots and pure haste in yellow gem slots. So I guess my question is, is 2 haste > 1 str at 90?Tarwth12 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 Ret heals need to be adjusted Title says it all. They heal way too much and effortlessly. Supposed to be balanced at 90 and its not. Still broke and needs fixedKaiju2 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 29, 2012 CLCinfo Prot Setup As the title suggests, I am after anyone that maybe able to help my setup CLCinfo for Prot (Before you start saying "needing a rotation helper for prot, LOL! etc etc" YES, I am a noob to tanking First time EVER this xpac actually :-), so just going to use this to start while I lvl. I am currently using Requitals Ret setup and am thinking of just using the same layout, However the rotation Priority/CD strings are where I get a little lost. Any help while be awesome thank you guys/galsLotzablocks1 Sep 29, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Holy Paladin Heals - Divine Light is garbage. Has anyone realized at level 90 How much mana Divine light costs... to how much it heals for? At least at 440 ilvl for heroics Holy Light uses about 1/3 of the mana and heals for 1/2 as much. To me, this is just awful and pointless to use Divine Light at all, since Flash uses about the same amount and casts faster for those "i need a big heal" Just my two cents.Rew11 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 RET QUESTION So Im a ret newb. I lvled as prot, but wanna Ret PvP. What aura do I want on? Im currently using the glyph for my Judgement to slow by 50% So I was gonna use the DoT. Or do I want to drop that glyph, and use the 50% slow aura?Mortival3 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Protection is ruined I already have a level 85 paladin and I leveled mostly through prot on him. During that time, I was easily having more fun as prot, mainly because the damage was there and everything overall felt a lot better. Shield of the Righteous right now is absolutely ruined. The stupid 3 second damage reduction it gives you is almost near useless because it runs out by the time your ready for your next attack. Secondly, it looks ugly as crap. Before it had this epic flash that actually made you feel like you were doing something significant, also the damage was substantially better and I relied on this ability for even PvP just because of how hard it can hit. Also, I'm pretty sure you could line up crits too with judgment, now that is gone. I'm leveling this guy right now and it's been mayhem. I feel like I take way more damage then I ever have as tank and I'm wearing the same exact gear as I did on my other paladin while leveling. This class has gone seriously down the tubes. Protection is not fun, at all. I have no idea what Blizzard was thinking by changing everything to it to make it far less appealing, as if tanking is that exciting as it is... Everything was stripped from Prot and they toss you some boring dumb spells and tells you to have at it. They took everything away that was originally fun, here I'll list a couple things: 1. Shield of Righteous is atrocious and is extremely ugly to use now, also you can't line up crits 2. Avengers Shield doesn't hit nearly as hard and has basically became useless in PvP as well, at least prot is viable while leveling through bgs, well.. "WAS" viable 3. Devotion Aura and what not appears to be stripped. Maybe they added it to a higher level, I didn't check but taking it away while leveling is ridiculous and I think that contributes to #4 4. Survivability is way low. Even with heirlooms, I still take stupid amounts of damage 5. Everything requires 3 holy power now. before, spells pretty much required 3 holy power anyway to be effective but sometimes you don't necessarily need 3 holy power every time you're trying to charge up a shield of the righteous and what not That's just a summary off the top of my head at the moment. I'm very disappointed in the direction Blizzard went with not only Paladins in general, but what they did to Protection. Not too many impacted Protection as a spec significantly specifically...but the playstyle and fun-factor that was originally there throughout cata is now missing and turned into a bleak boring tanking experience.Shocklight21 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Exo refresh timer? Did they increase Exo refresh timer?Palastorm1 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Holy Paladin Needs So i have had this toon since wrath, I got him to 80 and then never played him, got him to 85 never played him, now he his my main in MoP and I will be healing for my guild's raids. I honestly have no clue what is the most importent stats to a holy pally and what stats aren't as useful. Could someone fill me in on a holy pally needs or give me a website that would help me figure out how to maximize my gears effectiveness?Apologies2 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Why are there so many Paladins? I don't want to roll another pally, they're so overpopulated on every server. I rolled one and I felt like a clone trooper. Worst thing is, I rolled generic human pally # 219820102837282112823 :/ I felt so.... insignificant :/ lolFennris26 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Healing vs DPS Hi all, I recently dinged 90, and purchased a few (Well, the only pieces in the AH) to try and get ahead for when arena hits. I've got the 4 set bonus, but still I feel like I'm putting in double the effort to stay alive or keep someone alive. It just seems my heals do nothing at all, is it seriously my gear? I wasn't holy when Cata came out, so I can't compare it unfortunately, so could someone have a peek and tell me if my gear is the reason my heals are pretty crappy? If it's like this when S12 starts, then well, at least games will be quick, haha!Reclusionx1 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Glyph of harsh word? So leveling my paladin I've been checking out some the glyph's and it seems that glyph of harsh word. Then using word of glory seems to Do a large amount of dmg, If not double what my TV seems to be doing. Is this always going to be the case or will at some point my TV out scale word of glory? Has any one tested this? Just curious because I do Like templer's verdic and it just seems silly that word of glory out dmg's templer's verdict when its one of our classes main staples.Wolkrye4 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Open Libram XLVII:Thanks for all the Waffles Open Libram XLVII:So Long and Thanks for all the Waffles ... Previous Libram: Libram Archive: Paladin Social Networking: My Little Ponydins by Lobster: "Maid" by the Light by Lobster: "Bunny" Chaz by Lobster: Vanilla Ret Pally "Melgibsmash": Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 I miss Holy Shock hitting like a truck! I know it was unfair in PvP lol..But it was awfully fun ya gotta admit! Well...Unless you don't like facerolling people or if your the one getting hit by those Holy Shocks lol...It was fun though...Good times!Ancienthero1 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Hand of Purity vs. Clemency for PvP? I just wanted to see what other rets thought about this tier of talents. I like having Hand of Purity for DoT classes (Shadow Priests, Warlocks, Feral Druids, Death Knights, heck even mages). However, most of those classes (if they are competent players) can remove Hand of Purity. Clemency like it has potential but only double Hand of Freedom seems useful. Nowadays with all the way to bypass Hand of Protection, it seems useless. What are you guys thoughts on this?Iziren16 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Templar's Verdict And Ret Damage. Things are turning out as I speculated recently. As we level we see our self healing drop. (Which was expected and acceptable.) The problem being is our damage is losing steam as well which is causing a bit of instability in the class. As of MOP live and during the 5.0 pre patch our Holy Power ramp ups are making our finisher 'Templar's Verdict' look pretty sad. I could understand this if our consistent damage was compared to most of our other fellow DPS, and I honestly do think TV needs a decent Buff. In all actuality we are forced it seems to take Holy Avenger to make up for most of our damage loss, and if we did skip this talent I believe it would make a fool out of all of us. I do think we need a discussion about Ret damage in a PvP/PvE state and I hope to hear some good ideas and decent conversations about this.Elolence24 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Levelling to 90 as holy may be even slower With the removal of some of our attacking spells I guess levelling as Holy is out. Holy shock will probably reduce significantly in damage as we level.Emerelf10 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 28, 2012 Sacred Shield Still Bugged? Sacred shield used to absorb immediately when cast. Now it isn't up till 5 seconds after cast - Bug or as intended?Elolence4 Sep 28, 2012
Sep 27, 2012 T14 Hpally 4set Anybody else disappointed with the t14 hpally 4set (reduces cooldown on holy shock by 1 sec.!) wow thanks blizzard while prot pallies get 10% increased healing to word of glory and ret gets a 85 sec cd reductionFatalwish4 Sep 27, 2012
Sep 27, 2012 Wanna help me out? I haven't played this paladin at level cap, and when I'm leveling up and doing instancing my deeps is a little... under satisfactory. Any pro pallys wanna take a look at my character and maybe give some helps? Thanks guys! :D edit: maybe its my rotation? I didn't think pallys were hard, i kinda just stuck my face on the keyboard.Kaìtlyn3 Sep 27, 2012
Sep 27, 2012 Glyphs for Ret PvP I was wondering what glyphs people are getting for ret pvp. I was thinking of taking up the Immediate Truth glyph because it seems like ret is based around setting up bursts and this will help with that at the sacrifice of some damage over time. Also, maybe pick up the avenging wrath glyph that heals you while active? I'm really torn here.Shocklight6 Sep 27, 2012
Sep 27, 2012 MOP Heroic Tanking So I've never mained a Paladin in WoW, I just thought I'd do it to keep the game fresh and try something new. I did a lot of Warrior Protection tanking and was very familiar with the stat/gemming for maximum results (i.e. Mastery being their best stat, etc.) How does it stand with Paladins as far as stat/gem priority? I'll be getting a bit of nice extra stats from Blacksmithing/Jewelcrafting as well.Hanyolo1 Sep 27, 2012
Sep 27, 2012 Level 90 epic loot drops Anyone get some epic world drops? I got a 476 agi cloak off a croc. lol forgot to add the item ID lol Dory's PageantryDagana6 Sep 27, 2012
Sep 27, 2012 Do you remember? Do you rememeber a time when being a Paladin was to strive for Holynes and excellence. To uphold the natural laws of Righteousness. To uphold prinbciples and to destroy evil in its wake no matter what the odds? So much so that even back in the day of Gary Gygax there was a specific weapon a Paladin would search for...not a "Soul Drinker", not a "Death Bringer", but a +5 Holy Avenger. Do you remember those days? Or have we completely lost the understanding or the distinction between good and evil? How about we bring a little more justice to the Pally class and create something a bit more comprable to the days of the "+5 Holy Avenger". Think about a weapon strictly made for the Pally class. So much so it could even adjust to the type of spec a person is playing, Holy, Pro, Dps. As a person is able to increase in His/Her ability so does their sword. Not just a world drop, but thee drop. A quest..a challange...perhaps even a simple act of kindness in both world event. Just giving you something to stew about.Yeshuasown5 Sep 27, 2012
Sep 27, 2012 Holy Leveling 85 to 90? Anyone with beta access care to weigh in on this? By leveling Holy I mean questing, not simply chaining dungeons. I made the mistake of leveling from 80 to 85 as Holy and it was a huge headache. The new offensive glyphs have got me thinking that it might not be so bad this time around; is that just wishful thinking on my part? Should I bite the bullet and farm up a Ret set?Pertinacious15 Sep 27, 2012
Sep 26, 2012 How are pallies at dps and pvp? I have a low level pally around 30 and he's prot ATM. Had a blast dueling another pally the other day. Anyways. I'm not sure how I feel about tanking so I'm thinking of giving ret a try for some pvp and dps roles. Is a pallies dps high enough to get into end game raids? We restricted to healing and tanking for them? How about pvp? I'm not competitive at pvp so just talking for your average pvp. Ret still the way to go or is a pallies damage so low it's not worth it? I would even give holy a try if it meant I could 1v1 someoneBrokenpromis19 Sep 26, 2012
Sep 26, 2012 I am one crap Player.... I always have been. But i want to improve. i want to play prot and ret for both pvp and pve, aside from Vangaurds awesome 5.0 ret pvp guide are there good guides out there..... Thanks!Bekkett2 Sep 26, 2012
Sep 26, 2012 Holy Gear and Stat Balancing So I've played a few hours of MoP and run a number of dungeons. My questions are aimed at, I guess, people who played beta and/or know what end-game stats and play look like. I've noticed that there's a lot of intellect plate with no spirit on it. Why is this? As I naturally equip new gear (assuming I don't reforge), my mana regen takes a dive while haste and crit go up. Does the general direction of stats seem to be these other stats?Brokeback3 Sep 26, 2012
Sep 26, 2012 Did they break Prot? I haven't really played my paladin since Cata and I don't have gear for prot right now to test it out myself. What I have been seeing is 3 tanks being pretty much like they always where and paladins sucking big time. No threat and low dps... I just can't figure it out. I have checked to see if every paladin has had RF on because I am getting agro so much. Not just on this warrior, my other warrior in blues and greens at 85 is also getting agro all the time from them. It isn't like these are new to 85 tanks. These are guys in HoT/Raid finder or better gear. So did they make prot not good at 85 or did they make it to hard to play correctly?Blaux125 Sep 26, 2012
Sep 26, 2012 Retribution Paladin or Arms Warrior I know this question has been asked a lot, but old threads do not get updated as new patches and expansions come out lol. A brief history about my play style: -My recent main character was a hybrid feral dps and backup bear tank (if primary tank failed in dungeons). After the new patch forced me to pick between either cat or bear, I stopped playing druid and created a frost death knight (not this character lol). I loved the DK play style (even though it does feel cheap sometimes like being able to summon 10 minions lol). So the question, which is better suited for my play style? I usually solo when questing, so survivability is important to me. I love creating chaos by rushing into a group of enemies and destroying them all face to face (hence why my choices are either paladin or warrior...because they're both melee classes who wear plate armor). I do a lot of dungeons in between questing for a faster pace while leveling, and I usually queue as DPS, but I do not mind tanking since I'm aware of the shorter queue time. One main factor I'd like to know about is the difficulty of managing rage/mana while in Arms/Retribution and Protection. PLEASE DO NOT use any acronyms in your responses. As you can see from the contents of this thread, I am not a hardcore gamer. So aside from "DPS", I only know acronyms that you would use while texting (ex: omg, lol, ttyl, etc.). Thank you in advanced for your help. PS. In order to get even responses due to biases, I will also post this in the Warrior forums as well.Subzéro3 Sep 26, 2012
Sep 26, 2012 Check out the polearm I got from arch. It's a hunter/monk/druid weapon, sure. Look at it's damage. I even got about 2.5% crit from all the agility... which, given, I'd rather have had it be a sword with strength, but you cannot argue about the damage. Where I was going with this was : is anyone THOROUGHLY enjoying their Ret right now? I just did 4 levels in about 15 hours played (with intense lag... GG Sargeras Alliance), and died one time when I got lag spiked. I can grab 5-6 of anything and literally blow it to pieces. I'm having a blast. But holy crap I need to sleep right now. 27 million exp to go ftw. Edit: I know, I need to reforge and get another profession XD. Someone told me agility doesn't give crit anymore... any truth to this? I'm pretty tired lol.Làmàrculous1 Sep 26, 2012
Sep 26, 2012 MoP Leveling Prot I'll admit that I only had time to complete the first 10 or so quests before leaving for work, but has anyone else noticed a sharp drop in prot damage, and in turn, questing speed? I took a fairly long break after Firelands, but I leveled 80-85 prot when Cataclysm launched and it was much less painful. Although slower than a DPS class/spec, it still felt very manageable. Am I fighting a losing battle trying to level without respeccing and swapping some gear, or am I just missing something completely here?Tetritis8 Sep 26, 2012
Sep 25, 2012 Raiding as ret Why is it so hard to find a raid team that wants a ret pally? QQVarthsik19 Sep 25, 2012
Sep 25, 2012 JP points What should i get ? Im capped from cata so yeah. Im just getting back on WoW and completly clueless. Any help would be appreciated!Abolishier1 Sep 25, 2012
Sep 25, 2012 Holy needs an AOE damage - Here's why With Consecrate and Holy Wrath taken away from Holy, There are a few gaps now that have led to either boring gameplay or holes in what you can do: 1) PVE: a) During big AoE pulls that don't require much healing because you've pre-healed the tank for a big absorb and applied, say, sacred shield, you're left standing around with nothing to do. Think stonecore on the way to the last boss, or perhaps the first pull at Mannoroth. Sure, these pulls aren't particularly important, but they sure are BORING. b) Helping (even slightly) with raid AoE damage would also be fun to do during healing downtime or between big heals. 2: PVP: a) We have no way now to bring opponents out of stealth. This one imo is a pretty huge nerf to holy pallies in general. I am always left just gaping at my bars while I'm getting sapped because I have no way to sometimes play around it like I can on some other classes. b) We have no way of dealing damage to multiple opponents who are trying to cap our flags in a BG. 3: other: This one is less relevant, but the thought of running through old content with friend's alts is pretty annoying with no consecrate (or anything to replace it). I could respec, but currently holy is the only thing I play on this pally.Sephiroth30 Sep 25, 2012
Sep 25, 2012 Will Retribution Paladins be able to keep the The 40 yard judgment that is on the PvP set bonus. I looked at the PvP gear, and 10 yards increase on judgment is not one of the set bonuses. I think right now it is a great thing for rets, especially those who have picked up long arm of the law and burden of guilt.Iziren5 Sep 25, 2012
Sep 25, 2012 Gear Q? Any faction have some decent Holy Pally gear? Or stuff I could buy of AH that's a pretty high ilvl? Any pieces recommended. I just got a list of items to go for from dungeons but I was wondering if there was anything I could acquire with gold?Finban2 Sep 25, 2012
Sep 25, 2012 Silly question: Holy shock CD So, I'll admit this is a silly question but I just came back after 6ish months away. Did they nerf the cooldown to 12 seconds so it goes down to 6 with the talent, or is the talent bugged? (Sanctified Wrath, I mean.)Noxara7 Sep 25, 2012
Sep 25, 2012 Nerf WoG ^^Btwihateyou100 Sep 25, 2012
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Sep 25, 2012 Talent 1 What has everyone been choosing for their speed boost talent? Ive been using Pursuit of Justice more, but is it better to have Long Arm of the Law or Speed of Light?Bradlas16 Sep 25, 2012
Sep 25, 2012 Pally ganking I so I've been bored with wow lately. I thought it would be fun to gank some people with this new CRZ stuff and this pally is the only charecter I had on a pvp server, I never play it though. What is the best spec and everything for that? I just can't seem to do damage in any of them. If another 85 confronts me it's just this endless fight that I always lose help please.Palicow5 Sep 25, 2012
Sep 25, 2012 Seal macros. Just wanted to know if I'm able to macro my crusader strike and templar's verdict to change depending on the seal I have active. Basically I want them to do this. Seal of truth = crusader strike, templar's verdict Seal of righteousness = hammer of the righteous, divine stormReknarok2 Sep 25, 2012