Aug 29, 2012 CLCRet problems Since I downloaded the patch CLCRet no longer shows up on my character. I have checked "load outdated add-ons" but that doesnt help.Agincourt3 Aug 29, 2012
Aug 29, 2012 Ret pvp 5.0 Mastery Crit or Haste??????Beregønd2 Aug 29, 2012
Aug 29, 2012 Protection spec pvp? I was wondering now that WoG doesnt have its cooldown, and we get the judgement buff. Is Protection Specc good for pvp again?Malkiah5 Aug 29, 2012
Aug 29, 2012 Stat Priority Whats the stat priority for Ret Pallys in 5.0.4? QQZpx0 Aug 29, 2012
Aug 29, 2012 CLCret 5.0 string? Anyone know what the new string is for clcret? I know the basic rotation, but I find it a lot easier to have something to look at center screen.Darthelmet2 Aug 29, 2012
Aug 29, 2012 Ret PVP 5.0 is terrible.. Seems ridiculous.. Insane heals and no damage.. I shadow word pain from a priest took me to 50%.. I have 66.14% resil..Decisionz6 Aug 29, 2012
Aug 29, 2012 Change your Judgment macros With the change in spelling, they no longer work if spelled "judgement." Took me forever to figure out what was going on.Carmy1 Aug 29, 2012
Aug 29, 2012 uh oh! Looks like the warlocks observer pet can steal divine shield. No more bubble boy for you silly holy rollers.Dochaelian10 Aug 29, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Shockadins are back? I know it's 85, and have no idea what it's like at 90. Mostly likely this will be nerfed, but my holy shocks are now healing for 30k, my holy lights heal for 19k, divine light for 39k. This is ruthless / raid finder gear. I just popped avenging wrath and holy shocked a frost mage with full cata down to about 30k in 8seconds or so. What is going on?Mythical3 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Prot pally pvp Do you think prot pallys are any good in rbgs in this new expan or will they always be lacking?Ibden0 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Inscription or Blacksmithing in MoP Hey guys! Looking forward to MoP, what's looking better?Montecristo9 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Pick My Race! I want to start a paladin but I am having trouble deciding which race to choose. I am going to play Alliance. Should I play a Human, Dwarf, or Draenei? I dont care about racials. Just want to know what you all think I should be and why. Thank-you.Cocobeard12 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 More noob Ret questions for 5.0.4. So I'm reading but I'm failing to understand. So, here goes. ... 1. That's from the EJ thread. And it confuses me. I'm under the impression that you can still only burn a maximum of 3 HoPo on HoPo-consuming skills. Is this true (again, I don't have beta)? Is there math behind building up 5 HoPo before burning TV? In theory I kind of get it; only having to use more one HoPo-producing skill before your second TV makes sense, but is it math-sensical (made up words are the best)? 2. Are PvE Expertise and Hit caps being lowered tomorrow, or are the 7.5% values only true for level 90? 3. Frankly, all of our new glyphs seem like utter garbage, minus augmentation to our survival. Which ones will you be using come patch day? Mass Exo is obvious for AoE fights, but what about single-target? 4. Are we still swapping to SoR at 4 targets? Less? More? 5. How sure are we about Haste > Mastery > Crit for post-patch 85? I'm about to go sim a bunch of stuff myself, but I'd hate to reforge and regem everything and then have to do it again tomorrow. :( If I'm forgetting to ask something that could potentially make me play horribly in raid tomorrow night or create a gaping hole in the Paladin forum Ret thread rewrite, please let me know. Okie, thanks in advance!Svayne19 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 holy pally stiviable for rbg in Mop? with the lost of last word in our talent tree will resto shammies be more viableNegreeta1 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Cookie cutter Holy Paladin PvP spec? With 5.0.4 out, I need to know what the 'best' holy paladin pvp spec is. Any sources would help! :D Thanks!Krigelle5 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Paladin Tier 14 preview What do you think? I think normal mode looks the best, LFR 2nd best, Heroic worst.Pallisade39 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 How do I know I'm ready for heroics? First time ever as a healer at max level, so here's my question: Before I queue up for an heroic, should I have a certain haste rating, ___ amount of spirit/intel/etc.. Thanks for the answers. P.S. Should ALL of my gear be 333+ before I queue? Or would it be fine going in with 1-2 pieces below 333?Naomisura5 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Glyph of Righteous Retreat YES! YES! I was checking out MoP Talents and I came across the Minor Glyph: Glyph of Righteous Retreat: During Divine Shield, you can invoke your Hearthstone 50% faster. BUBBLE HEARTH IS BACK!!!Serea10 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Prot : Patch Day Spec/Gems and talents Will CTC matter? Should I just stack stam? Whats your spec going to be?Itsu18 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Losing our Relic Tomorrow Hey, this is pretty much all I know. Is this major loss of stats being compensated by anything else? Or am I just out 203 strength?Altharaz13 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Stat priorities Ret pally 5.0.4 Anyone know what the secondary stat priorities will be for ret in MOP? I know haste is getting a nice buff for us, but how does it compare to mastery and crit? Thanks in advance.Trucidare12 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Block diminishing returns=Re-gem? Simple question, now that Block has diminishing returns, will Prot Paladins stop gemming mostly mastery? If so, what would we gem?Zizadin5 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 video A little 2v2 action if anyone cares....any tips or comments are appreciated Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 So tomorrow doesnt change prot at all? I should be fine as prot since i just go full stamina right? or should i drop mastery for hit and suchKa3 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 28, 2012 Goodbye sweet relics We had fun. I loved you the most when you where a libram and gave us cool little upgrades to certain abilities. I hated you when I used one from Naxx for 3 tiers as holy. You were endured as a stat stick for 2 years. And when I de'd you just now, you turned into 2 maelstrom crystals instead of 1. Thanks for the good times. You both will and won't be missed. Edit: Noted that they once were librams not relics.Helagoth2 Aug 28, 2012
Aug 27, 2012 Just hit 85 (week ago), pushing ratings So I just hit 85 to try to push for ratings last week. I geared up, got my heroic maw (replacing my 308 blue). The problem is simple, it doesn't seem like I can keep my partners up. When I first hit 85 (literally ilvl 325) I hit 1900 MMR with the warrior I am currently playing with. I had a 308 weapon etc. Long story short, I'd have my 2k achievement if we continued to play. The problem is, after gearing up to where I am now, I'm still stuck at 2k. I'm playing with a r1 Glad Warrior, a 2400 feral (kitty cleave), I've played with a multi-glad DK, 2300 Hunter (PHD). I've also done 2s with both the DK/Warrior. In 2s, I can't break 1900 with the r1 warrior, with the DK we can't break 1800. In 3s, where there is more room for me to not have to just tunnel heals and avoid CC, I can hit 2k MMR at most. Honestly, I have not played since s9, and I might just be really fully of myself, but I was expecting to hit 2200 pretty easily. Previous seasons I could come on my priest/shaman, be completely behind on gear and still be fine. I can't tell if I am doing something wrong, and none of my partners are willing to say if I am or not (they just say either a) warriors are horrible this season or b) I just lack throughput). I think throughput IS a problem, I just don't understand how I can't beat teams that we are completely outclassing. My flashes are hitting 17.7k non crit, 31k crit, if that's a baseline. So long story short, is it gear that's limiting my holy paladin play, or is it me?Carmen13 Aug 27, 2012
Aug 27, 2012 Ret PvP and Patch 5.0.4 Can somebody who has played in Beta tell me what will change in Ret PvP when 5.0.4 goes live? What talents should I choose, what glyphs should I choose, how I should reforge my gear? Is there a 5.0.4 or MOP PvP guide available? I could not locate one.Mikhos3 Aug 27, 2012
Aug 27, 2012 Blinding Light Am I the only one who finds Blinding Light to be a dissapointing spell compared to the spells other classes got? for example, Symbosis is pretty sweet having a different effect for every class and spec but Blinding light falls short in comparison. Blinding light: Emits a blinding light in all directions, blinding enemies within 10 yards, causing them to wander disoriented for 6 seconds. 23% of base mana 3 min cooldown instant castPallydenn48 Aug 27, 2012
Aug 27, 2012 Having healing troubles, OOM etc. Would any experienced Paladins please take a quick look over me and assure me that its either my terrible gear or spec that's keeping me from being effective in 5 man heroics. I really feel I have the mechanics down well, but I am still struggling in there. Also, when is the proper time to use Divine Plea and the other big CDs?Durig2 Aug 27, 2012
Aug 27, 2012 What to do with old relics? So I know this may sound stupid, but I've been collecting Relics since my Vanilla days, so I have a ton of them. Well now that they won't be used anymore, should I just offload them to get what vendor money I can or continue to hold on to them. If they are gonna just go *poof* I might as well get something out of them. Question is are they going *poof* or will they just not be useable anymore?Caelle21 Aug 27, 2012
Aug 27, 2012 Paladins vs Monks Is it me, or does it seem like Monks are better then pallis in every single way? They tank better then us, and DPS better then us. They are even better heals then us and healing is what I usually fall back on when paladins get kissed by the nerf bats. The worst part of this is, I don't expect monks to be throttled below strong, and I don't expect pallies to be buffed above balanced. So I expect Monks to be better then paladins in Melee dps, tanking and healing for 2-3 patches at least. Does anyone here believe that paladins will outperferm monks anytime in the next few patches?Mezcao18 Aug 27, 2012
Aug 27, 2012 Is there any concensus on ret PVP stats? In the upcoming MoP patch that is. I haven't been keeping close tabs on MoP stuff, just reading the various changes in the patches. Have the silly beta players come to any conclusions on how secondary stats look for PVP now for retribution? The importance of expertise is going to tank with so many ways of generating holy power that are not effected by dodge/parry. Crit still has no synergy with any talents or retribution abilities. Generating more holy power means more Templar's Verdicts, so mastery might get better, but Crusader Strike and Templar's Verdict are hitting for less, so it may balance out. Haste's value is going to increase like 60 fold, for the extra holy power, extra judgement damage when out of range, more art of war procs, and more Crusader's Zeal procs if that still exists. So... maybe haste is king now? It would feel dirty stacking haste on a ret paladin. At a quick glance, it seems expertise and crit will be garbage, or at least their overall effect will be much less pronounced.Turaven1 Aug 27, 2012
Aug 27, 2012 Mana Capped I just read how in the upcoming patch Int will no longer increase our mana pull. Is there cause for alarm for healadins? I'm currently lvling through pvp and I use my judgements to increase haste and spirit but in a 4 to 5 minute assault I'll burn through my mana even with my emergency potion and divine plea...I'm interested in hearing your thoughts since how class has the most expensive heals out of the healing role.Doltair8 Aug 27, 2012
Aug 27, 2012 Question for holy pvp Go for all crit gear or balance it out crit/spirit gear, thanksTbagoperator0 Aug 27, 2012
Aug 26, 2012 heal or tank I am starting a new Pally and was looking to see which one is easier/ more beneficial to make?Dasheit23 Aug 26, 2012
Aug 26, 2012 Races Why do paladins get little love with races? They didn't let me be a Gnome. They didn't let me be a Worgen. And they wont let me be a Panda. Warriors, Hunters , DK and Mages get all the love, its almost as if they want everyone to roll either of those four.Victarion11 Aug 26, 2012
Aug 26, 2012 Pally tank help I'm trying to get into heroics, but I've been wondering: Is Hit and Expertise necessary? If so, how do I get to the hit and expertise caps?Teufeldolch6 Aug 26, 2012
Aug 26, 2012 Which talents you getting (holy) MoP Stay of Execution, Arcing Light, or Holy Prism. Holy Prism seems to have a very short CD and seems like it would dps a boss very bad if a raid were to stack up next to it. Stay of Execution seems like something that'll prevent a tank from dying for a long time Light's hammer would be like our healing rain. I haven't decided what I want. I'm also deciding between the lower level talents (SS, Eternal Flame, Selfless Healer)Macnessa3 Aug 26, 2012
Aug 26, 2012 A melee sad story of polearms A long time ago in a galaxy not far, far away..... The polearm was a weapon used by druids,hunters,paladins and warriors alike. As the years have progressed we saw the polearm turn into a agility item that catered for the druids and hunters. The models and design of many of these polearms has been great, amazing sometimes in my opinion but sadly this has been neglected. Neglected in the sense that we are unable to see these items in-game anymore. Druids and hunters can use them yes without a doubt but as soon as combat starts druids are forced into a form that renders the item model obsolete. As for hunters the combat focus becomes their ranged weapon with the mighty polearm reduced to something dangling on their backs and in some cases even covered up by their capes. Vanilla allowed for these items to be used in the hands of paladins and warriors the animation of the weapons where not lost in the heat of combat. To this day we see some polearms in the game such as Blight a lvl 45 blacksmithing crafted item or the Replica Grand Marshal's Glaive/High Warlord's Pig Sticker which catered for str uses. The item that really comes to my mind however was the Halberd of Smiting a proc based weapon. BC and Wotlk saw some use of the moved towards agi use of polearms by paladins/warriors mainly because paladins and warriors still got some benefit from agi at that point. The real tragic story however is that these items really are getting lost in combat. The caster weapons still dangle from their sides and can be noticeable seen staffs could be argued are lost much like the polearm however the key difference is the polearms 'head' is faced down and really is not prominent like as staff. With the introduction of the new changes made in MoP i see the polearm as a dying breed of a item and miss their animations. The jab the overhead smash animations that for all intensive purposes might as well not be in the game seeing as how irregular a hunter actually melee's. The other day I was on the MoP beta and came across a polearm that had str on it. I was like wow maybe they have brought that back into the game then i realised it was a random enchant. For all the work put into the item I feel sorry for it. A druid and hunter might argue that they have no items that cater specifically for them, when the item is lost in combat due to druids having to shape form then it is only the hunter who can really enjoy the aesthetic appeal of the item they carry. Gone are the days where warriors got a special bonus for weapon type so really the polearm could be used in there hands without fear of losing a special property. We may was well give the druids/hunters amazing looking staffs for all the good the polearm serves ingame. Sure paladins/warriors get swords/maces/axes but i ask is the specific catering for the druids/hunters really worth losing amazing graphics and visual attacks of the polearm. Further we may as well not bother giving it a multiple attack animation seeing as how infrequent the current use of it is. I ask it the death of polearms really come upon us? P.S I totally forgot the poor old DK's and how they would feel about the use of this item.Serket25 Aug 26, 2012
Aug 26, 2012 Need advice please I just started playing this char again, I haven't played him in 2 yrs. I was hoping someone could tell me the best ret rotation for dps at lvl 70. Also, what seal should i use, thanks.Sinath2 Aug 26, 2012
Aug 25, 2012 Ret: Mastery or Crit? For pvp, should I stack mastery where I can or Crit?Tilskudd52 Aug 25, 2012
Aug 25, 2012 No holy radiance in mists ? I have been looking over the paladin talents / spells for the MoP patch coming out tuesday and I can not find HR in there ?Uth4 Aug 25, 2012
Aug 25, 2012 I couldn't breatheìe2 Aug 25, 2012
Aug 25, 2012 Sacred shield for prot weak sauce? (MoP) I was just messing around on ptr with my pally tank and I noticed that sacred shield looked rather weak (4 or 5 k damage absorbed sounds paper thin). Then I selected it and started messing around in dungeons and I noticed something... The damage that the shield absorbed seemed to raise with my attack power (even though it doesn't say that in the description). I noticed that the higher my vengeance got, the higher the absorption from sacred shield got. At one point in a dungeon it was absorbing 20 k every 6 seconds, instead of the base 4k-ish. The ability was actually pretty amazing after that. Has anyone else noticed this, or know anything else about it? Do you think that this aspect of the shield will carry over to the real game?Aribeth5 Aug 25, 2012
Aug 25, 2012 Why does it happen? Upon starting playing this game, I was very dissappointed to learn that there was no ranged holy DPS spec. Reading further, I discovered there was a "shockadin" but that it isn't strong enough, and only does about half or less of the damage of other DPS builds. My question is: why? supposedly it is very competitive and even sometimes excels while leveling, but that it suddenly drops off at higher levels. Why does this happen? Do the damage spells just have a bad formula for their damage numbers and it finally catches up to them at higher levels? Do you get more melee tools at higher level that, when rotated, do more damage than the spells you were using up to this point? I just can't figure out why it starts out well and then suddenly becomes useless.Agabus16 Aug 25, 2012
Aug 25, 2012 What major glyphs look good in MoP? I'm thinking of (in terms of Ret PvP): Glyph of Templar's Verdict - Since I will be using this finisher a lot, I feel like a near constant 10% damage reduction will help out with survival a lot. Glyph of Turn Evil - Instant cast CC for pesky Warlock pets as well as Death Knight ones to include Gargoyles. Also works on Lichborned DKs. Glyph of Word of Glory - Mimimizes damage lost and maintains pressure when I spend HoPo to use WoG to heal myself or someone else. I also want opinions on Glyph of Inquistion. Is the increased duration worth the 15% loss? I mean that would equate to less HoPo spent on keeping Inquisition up and more "fire-and-forget" fun but IDK...Ascendant22 Aug 25, 2012
Aug 25, 2012 Blood elf female LoD The Light of Dawn animation seems to be glitched for Blood Elf females, at least on my computer. It wavers around because its attached to the hands in a strange way, so when my toon throws her hands forward to "cast", it jerks around. When I heal in Well of Eternity as a Night Elf, I get this nice stable, pretty, cone that's very easy to see where it's going:)Evalasting2 Aug 25, 2012
Aug 25, 2012 So... Is Pbad the best ret in the US?Kreayshawn8 Aug 25, 2012
Aug 25, 2012 Xmog Help! Requesting a shield and 1h sword. Possibly cape (what do you think?)Connfucius6 Aug 25, 2012
Aug 24, 2012 Human or Draenei hi im thinking of race changing my paladin to human should I stay as a draenei or go human?Crusadelia23 Aug 24, 2012