Jul 19, 2012 I'm Holy PVP doing 3's, improvements? I run with an UH dk and a rogue. Any tidbits would be nice!Luminescent1 Jul 19, 2012
Jul 19, 2012 RIP Judgement. We hardly knew ye. "Judgement" is now correctly spelled as Judgment in beta. It feels so silly to spell it like that.Kaitelynn15 Jul 19, 2012
Jul 19, 2012 Need help with Transmog! :D I need some help putting together something that fits well with Pauldrons of Roaring Flame if anyone is willin' to help<3 :DExalus1 Jul 19, 2012
Jul 19, 2012 How do retribution paladins heal? Specifically, I wish to know which spells to use for emergency healing or off-healing in PvE. I think I'm going to throw survivability cooldowns into the question as well. I've never really played a healer before, so please go easy on me. I'm guessing you use Word of Glory if you have holy power. Otherwise... Thanks in advance.Wilfrid2 Jul 19, 2012
Jul 19, 2012 Noob Ret Pally So this is my first account, and I've been looking through the stickies, and find that I really have no idea what any of it means. I'm looking for a rotation to go through, where I don't run out of mana after like 3 enemies. If anybody could just shine some light on what I should be doing, I would appreciate it. Thanks lol.Unrapeable5 Jul 19, 2012
Jul 19, 2012 Bliz Change CS back to 100% and 40% spell Bliz if you keep the AP to Spell power thing in the x-pac PLZ change CS back to the 100% damge and 40% spell power, becasue if where getting like 600 to 1000 spell power as ret then CS would hit harder as the hold way and not this 110% cs we have now. but leve the + 5% damge on the pvp Gloves or change the pvp gloves to a like the Rogues gloves on CS.. WoW you A Dude !@#Callissai7 Jul 19, 2012
Jul 19, 2012 lvl 36 ortestion pally rotaion hi i am need of help with my lvl 36 protection pally and wanted to know what the rotaion for him is. can someone plz help!!??Guull1 Jul 19, 2012
Jul 19, 2012 Paladin PvP Has Been Killed Paladin PvP has officially been killed in patch 4.3.2. And now before you say "Wow stop qqing *!*" lemme get my 2 cents into this thread. Ret Pallys while appearing to be a pretty good utility spec for PvP are literally the most paper thn plate wearing class in the game. This is why i switched to prot for PvP. Prot was niot over powered. A tank should be able to effectively kill 2 people or else why would thy call him a tank? All classes and specs need to be viable in PvP and now Prot Pally has been left to FC ONLY. Normally i wouldnt care because i could juts go and play ret. However after my first game as ret in 3 months, i remember why i stopped playing ret to begin with. We were nerfed with 4.2. Making our holy word CD 5 seconds longer was the most awful thing they could have done to rets for PvP. Taking away vengeance was the most awful thing they could do to kill Prot PvP. All they needed to do was lower the damage on the Blood DK's the Prot Pallys and Warriors have been majorly screwed.Jheseus85 Jul 19, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Looking for a one-handed mace... That matches this set, with an effect that overwrites the enchant (Power Torrent, namely). I prefer smaller. Blue, gold, red, and a little green are all fine, so is black and white. Please nothing that's too difficult to get, I don't raid DS on this toon. Thanks in advance all.Ihazpally3 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Herald of the Titans help- Spec Hi, I was wondering what the best set up would be for a Prot Paladin doing the Herald run, also would it be best to stack Stam gems (with a mix of DPB of course)?Torchs11 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Any Block Cap add-on out there I was looking for an add-on that can do the calculation to determine what my Block Cap Score is. Does any one know of one?Kimberlite7 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Suggestion for next VP upgrade As the title says I'm looking for a suggestion on what my next upgrade should be. Any other suggestions on my gear(I haven't gotten to enchanting it all yet) is very much appreciated.Azorahai3 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Hi, I am nub. (Need Holy PVP help) So, I leveled this Pally a long time ago and never played him. Now that I am addicted to PVP on my hunter I am wanting to try healing. I am completely lost with my pally. I don't know which abilities to use. lol I need some basic strategy as well. I feel like I am a toddler trying to figure out advanced algebra. Help me Paladin forums. You're my only hope.Turboderp5 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Herald of the Titans Ret! Hey guys! I am currently in the process of leveling then gearing a Ret for a Herald of the Titans run. Now, I have ran 2 of these this patch alone, and now its time for me to run one on my pally! But, I was wondering due to scaling and such, is there stats that I should favor more then others? Like Mages are suppose to go arcane and stack Mastery for Herald runs. Also does anyone have a Chardev of BiS ret set for that right? Also I believe this would be the most optimal spec just by looking at talents themselves and some of the stickies.!aj!b!VgkVTWVZSZ!YcfhjQlnL Any help, tips, and tricks would be appreciated. Thanks in advance :D Edit: Looks like I posted on my pally instead of my main. Oh well!Fraixo8 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 ESS vs. Gurth I am not asking which is dominately better but I am asking this: I have both weapons Normal Gurth, and Normal Slicer. My ilvl is about 397. Which fights, if any in Normal/Heroic DS would it be superior to use Slicer over Gurthalak?Bloodyen3 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Paladin changes, Beta build 15851 (7/13/2012) So Chaz capped the Libram thread before I could post (/glare), so I figured I'd post here for those who don't religiously browse sites for Paladin changes. As always, for more in-depth info, please visit or to see what's up. Anyway, getting started, oh man. Browsing the patch changes, they nerfed the mana cost of Flash of Light but also slightly nerfed its healing coefficient, as well as the healing of, well, all our healing spells except for Divine/Holy Light. Beacon of Light transfers 15% of Holy Radiance AND Light of Dawn heals, nice, nice.. Seal of Insight gives 10% casting speed? Interesting, that's where Holy Paladins'll be getting Judgments of the Pure back, I guess.. Also, DIVINE FAVOR IS BACK YAY! Seal of Truth slightly lowered. /grumble But Seal of Immediate Truth increases damage by 30% up from 20%? Ret's damage got cut down from 25% to 20% with Sword of Light, meh. Funnily, they changed the wording to include Polearms. Maybe we'll finally see str polearms again?! (Probably not). Also, hah, called it: Eternal Flame'll now replace Word of Glory. It'll heal instantly, then leave a Heal Over Time for 30 seconds. Sacred Shield on the other hand is now free, but has a 6 second cooldown. And as far as glyphs... Most are wording changes, but Blessed Life no longer gives you a charge of Holy Power when taking direct damage. Battle Healer got bumped up to 30% of damage dealt. Wonder how effective this'll be for Holy Paladins? Avenging Wrath got changed from 2% heal every 4 seconds to 1% heal every 2 seconds (so no net change). Also, I'll leave you guys with this: ... Rofl.Jackishi18 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 How are ret Paladins in mist of Pandorea PvP has the prophecy been fulfilled? Are they any decent?Ravenhul5 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Ret paladins Out of curiosity, does anyone MAIN a ret paladin? Based on my playstyle, I'm pretty much doomed to dps, because I don't like all the pressure of tanking, and healing is kinda dull imo. I love the paladin, but I'm not sure about ret. How is it? I love the idea of 2 handed weapons, but how is it in pve and pvp? Does anyone main ret? Let me know. Thanks!Rednebeert33 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Paladin Dark T2 mog hi, i was wondering if someone could send me a link of the complete set via WoWHead, or maybe link me to the Paladin Mog thread that was on here a few months back, because i can't find itShadowdog2 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Ret PVP Gear Choice I tried posting this question in the Arena forums. Hopefully, I'll get a response here. Two questions that I would like some opinions on: 1.) I have Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps and Ataraxis, Cudgel of the Warmaster. The proc on Gurth is really low, but it has a higher weapon damage. The second has more stats. I have seen Vanguards and a bunch of rets using Gurth. Is it just the weapon damage? 2.) Also. I know that shoulders and legs are optimal. I have the Heroic chest and legs for T13. I likely won't get the shoulders. Does anyone know how much of a hindrance this could be? I know it's now earth shattering or whatever.Eisenhorne1 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Ret 2PC PvE vs PvP Gear Video A quick video by me explaining how to make a choice for using 2 pc pve or full on pvp gear.Vanguards3 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 A few questions regarding Ret pvp Atm I'm leveling a ret pally which I intend to do RBG's and arena's with. As I level I notice that the depth of the ret tree is somewhat lacking in its offensive skill variety. The amount of time it takes to get to 3 holy powers can be long and in a full on fight could take awhile against a person who can kite us fairly well. If I understand the spec correctly it seems the main idea is to outlast the opponent with the defensive cooldowns the class has. My main concern is the spec at 85 or even 90 going to put out decent amounts of dps? It feels like CC and strong dps is lacking in the spec. I may be missing something but that's the feeling I get when I look at the ret spec.Driftncowboy1 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Ret Pally Heals I've been pvping since around lvl 40 and atm am lvl 84 doing them. Now up to this point I was fine about them healing back to full hp with one move cause i figured it wouldn't beable to do that at higher levels. However, only to find out its only stronger. I would like to propose something be done about how much ret pallys can heal because they only lose like 2 heals i believe from not being a holy, but still heal the exact same with all other moves it seems. Since their such high heals they can heal through almost all dmg of 3-4 ppl with a single move (lay on hands) or they can use one of their invincible shields (can't remember the names of them) and Spam heal back up. Basically doing something like the shadow priests. Now I dont mean elimate their heals, but instead reduce them if they go as a Ret pally because they have dps that matches that of other dps classes with 2 stuns that last fairly long and then on top of that can heal substantial amounts of around 70k-80k with lay on hands or spam heal to similar amounts.Deathpatch58 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 HL VS FoL at 85 Sooo..for ALL of wrath//Cata I have been a HL pally..which was nice..really nice. I enjoyed blasting other healers out of the water through raids and what not..but then..I got this crazy idea. My brother, he used to FoL back in wrath..and with cata had srs nerdrage hate for the //nofol// ability..I have recently switched my build from a strict HL to a FoL and really..I'm amazed at how viable it is. Soo really..I'm just here to see other holy pally opinions on the current state of HL VS FoL pallys, or if it is even a 'current state'. Is one more viable then the other? Or is it the level of gear that makes the difference... Edited because apparently it wasn't obvious enough;;This is not to say you wouldn't use your other heals, but more which do you choose to 'spam cast' nice as our AOE's are we do single target every now and again. So plox, tell me your thoughts. <33 Tal.Talouse24 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Glyphs Help!? This sounds stupid...but where do you get the glyphs? I notice at the Auction House they are really pricey.. Also, should I follow this guide on which ones to choose? Looking for advice on what I should do for Protection Pally as I just hit level 75Cycra12 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Judged by the Light I have exclusively played Retribution, but recently wanted to learn how to tank. I started by reading the stickies here, and the links they contain. Then I started working on getting gear. I've been asking to roll for offspec gear, exchanging Justice/Valor for more gear, and buying off the auction house for the rest, and have put this set together. Any feedback would be appreciated (gear, gems, enchants, talent points, etc). I've done daily quests as I geared up, so I could get used to tanking rotations, and finally tried my hand at tanking dungeons today. Still so much to learn.Unjoiner5 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Holy Pally/Pally bug? Whenever I try to run forward or other form of movement my toon will just keep running. Sometimes my toon won't move when I want it too. The kicker is, it's to be ONLY HAPPENING TO MY EFFING HOLY PALLY. Please tell me this is a bug that will be fixed soonNightly7 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Ret palidans I'm wondering what their basic rotation is.Chinupp0 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Leveling as Holy I would like to play a Holy Paladin. Does anyone level as one, or does it take too long? I ask because I feel the best way to learn is to play it as you level. You get a real good feel for the skills since they are not all thrown at you at once and then have to try to sort through and get a feel for all your skills. Also, could anyone direct me to a Holy leveling guide? What talents to get 1st, what level am I a viable healer in dungeons, raids, ect.Kozmo9 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Ret and reforgelite. Do any rets use reforge lite? If so, is there a way to take seal of truth glyph into account? It takes me to 26 exp when I only need 16.Unstabull8 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 18, 2012 Ret PvP problems Alright guys heres the deal, I want to faction change this guy so I can do PvP on another server as a horde ( so I can play with my friends ) but I don't know if its worth the money because well, I heard that Ret Pallys are HIDEOUS at PvP right now. Can any of you share their thoughts please ? Thank you very muchNyon4 Jul 18, 2012
Jul 17, 2012 Wanting feedback on holy paladins Okay, so I am recently returned to WoW(left just before cata released), fresh account etc. As soon as I decided to come back to WoW I wanted to roll as a Holy Paladin. I tried it out and got hammered by people my very first few pugs for not having the "right" gear, level 15 is very serious now I see. I ended up making this Hunter just to start farming gear and heirlooms for my soon be made main. I've asked people how Holy Paladins are, I get "oh, theyre fun!" or "good tank healers", but never an actual explanation why I would choose to roll one over a Priest, or other healing class. The Holy Power thing confuses me, and looks at first glance to be a little clunky. So I'm curious, how does it feel to play a Holy Paladin in both PVP and in PVE? Also, should I make one, what heirlooms should I go for since I see there are no plate ones for casters. And at what point would I drop them and start using other gear? I am sure this has been all asked in the past, but for the last few weeks I have been asking people on my realm, friends, watching youtube, searching google, and still haven't found my answers. So I figured I'd ask here, since you guys would be the most experienced at your craft compared to people with a "pally alt". Thanks for any help you can offer, I will be coming back and checking the thread as I want to learn and not be one of those people who jump into a class not really knowing how it works. ...reminds me, I met a Mage the other day that didn't know how to dismiss his pet at level 84, but that's another story :3Seirah4 Jul 17, 2012
Jul 17, 2012 Question for those on MoP Beta. With the glyph of the mounted kings can you for instance cast blessing of might on yourself then mount and get kings too? or vice versa.Immunelol1 Jul 17, 2012
Jul 17, 2012 dont holy pallys get 20% more intellect i cant find this talent anywhere for my pally. am i missing something ehre?Yangman5 Jul 17, 2012
Jul 17, 2012 I don't get it Why is my Guardian of Ancient Kings a human/angel thing? I'm a completely different race and we don't even use the same kind of light as them.Garhand27 Jul 17, 2012
Jul 17, 2012 How Do you Know? How do you know when you're geared for healing Hour of Twilight Heroics. Before you say anything about my gear yes I know it sucks. I am aware I'm wearing some PvP gear. I am also aware that I am wearing some cloth and some low-level items. I just want to know what are some specific guidelines on when to know when you're gear enough to heal Hour of Twilight Heroics. thanks.Bootysmash2 Jul 17, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Pally Races for Holy Hey there I was wondering what you guys think is the best race for a Holy Paladin. I have been wanting to start one, and I could care less if its Alliance or Horde. I'm just interested in what the best race, both for PvE and PvP.Fylerian4 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Gearing for Holy How exactly do you gear for Holy when you're main spec is Ret? I bought all of the 377 crappy vicious pvp gear from the AH but all the other junk (even my dps 2 is for Ret. I still can't heal worth crap, even though I managed to heal a regular cata dungeon ... but anyways, my heals are super low and I typically go oom because my gear isn't suited. So, what I'm saying is, how and where can I get gear to start doing holy? I have some reputation items I can snag but otherwise it seems like I'm super weak as it is. :P (for good reason, but the heals themselves seem shamefully low) For example, the gloves I'm using are Vicious Ornate Pyrium Gauntlets but I can get some exalted rep gloves that are ilevel 359 from earthen ring. I mean, their ilevel is lower and i lose intellect but I gain spirit and critical strike rating, should I swap them out? (the other gloves are called World Keeper's Gauntlet's). i don't really know what to doElectrøflux5 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Improve DPS as prot pally fixed.Swiifty7 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Best Paladin Race? What's the best alliance race for a paladin? Best with lore, looks in gear, racial abilities, just opinions on it. We all know "play what you like". This is just a question of preference.Triplelindy11 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Rate the Tank Can someone check my spec? What do i need to change spec wise and what do i need to replace next? and do you think that I'm ready for DS? Thanks for the helpOdexx6 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Ret/Dk/Priest for 3s thoughts? Starting to get an idea of how i want to run my team when i get to 85. I'm thinking Dk for peels for priest Havent really decided yet, whats better to have in your opinion? Also with Ret and Disc i could use frost over unholy if i needed more burst for the team. Nothing set in stone and since i'm not even 85 yet (although i have done some 3s on my alts, but mostly 2s) trying to decide now so i can get a dedicated group cause i hate pugging. thoughts?Kabalah3 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 ret pally off heals I'm relatively new back to the game and am sure that this thread will get "ZOMGNOOB'ed" but im trying to get better at the pvp aspect and want to play my "role" properly. I've been hearing that ret pallies are best used for their burst damage (which I agree totally with) and for our "Off heals." as far as I've seen I dont understand what skills I should be using for healing. Im able to provide myself decent healing but nothing great, and especially nothing very helpful for my teammates, can i get some advice please? furthermore im sure my gemming, reforging, equipment etc. is pretty underwhelming but any advice is greatly appreciated... thanksSulli4 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Holy Healing is fun I just started healing on this character, and it's a blast. Do holy pallies stay as strictly a one-target healer, or do they get any sort of AoE healing later in the game?Aillas4 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Advice for a Ret Paladin PvP Wise. Hi there! This is my first time playing a Paladin, and I just have a few questions. My PvP experiences have actually been quite beneficial, and I seem to always place in the top 4 of each round. But, with gear, I seem to be having a bit of a problem. I don't rely on quest gear unless it has better stats than the gear I gather from dungeons, and that isn't very often. All of the Paladins on my team seem to have slightly better gear than me, although almost none of them have the Level 60 PvP Gear equipped. Should I purchase the gear now, or invest for the next tier armor and weapons? Also, how do I fight against a Death Knight? It might seem a bit stupid, but the only real defense I have against being gripped by is stunning them, and spamming Exorcisms at them.Tyrindor4 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 What is the Paladin AoE taunt? Like warriors get Challenging Shout(i think thats the name), and Druids get Challenging Roar. Not sure about DKs, but what is the paladin equivalent to these? Sometime I don't grab threat fast enough and i was wondering what ours is called if we have one. I couldnt seem to find anything in the spellbook except Hand of something, which taunts only 3 mobs off a specific party member. Doesn't do much if 2 or more people have mobs on them and my spells are on CD.Priestofwar3 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 I love my transmog :) I love this look. What do yall think?Beldaris6 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 WTB Tier 12 Helm for Tauren No me gusta.Exalus3 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Xmog help Ok guys i have a Teebu's Blazing Longsword an im looking to make a flame set. what do you guys think are some of the best for a flaming pally? oh an i have this The Fel BarrierVenturee2 Jul 16, 2012
Jul 16, 2012 Trans Weapons for paladins! Do u guys know if Furious Gladiator's Bonegrinder stil available in the game? also, this week was my 23 th try at gruuls just to get Hammer of the Naaru do u guys know if they removed from the game?Lhyna2 Jul 16, 2012