Jun 19, 2012 Prot pally help Hello everyone. So I recently switched to prot spec and I'm loving it. Before coming on here and asking for help I have researched some of the questions I have myself but I would like to get advice from the forum. I Got my current build off of The only Aggro problem that I have had was in FL last night. A Mage would pull from me from time to time but that was it. So I guess me questions are... 1) How is my talent build? 2) Am I on the right path for gear? 3) How is my gemming/enchanting? Now I know I don't have everything enchanted but it's a work in progress. Any tips are very appreciated. ThanksDéadnàught9 Jun 19, 2012
Jun 19, 2012 RoflStomped Lol, ok I haven't played in a year. My gear was season 9. I had some honor points left over so I managed to get the season lower tiered chest. Held my breath and ran into a battleground. ROFLSTOMPED. Well aside from not knowing where the hell my buttons were I was getting cut down in like 3-4 secs. Man it was painful. Ok I'm rusty but is my gear really that bad? You can tell me to L2P, cause I really need to RELEARN TO PLAY but I'll take any tips you can give me.Phelan2 Jun 19, 2012
Jun 19, 2012 Help me? Just a few simple questions. I'm a pally so I didnt really know any other place to ask, Sorry if this is a bad place for this kinda thread. Basically, my name... lol. Could I get banned for that? If so, any new name ideas? Sorry for being dumb ~Love DBJHentia1 Jun 19, 2012
Jun 18, 2012 Blood Knight Tabard quest trouble I'm trying to complete the blood knight tabard quest, but i'm not getting credit for destroying the weapons. Has anyone experienced this problem?Stylez3 Jun 18, 2012
Jun 18, 2012 Paladin tanking ? Even though im low level im leveling my pally to 85. And im having trouble keeping aggro on multiple targets, and frankly Im getting crap from other lowbie players in my groups. Sometimes they are idiots and PULL before I pull an its really really hard to get aggro back. I really love paladins and dont want to get discourage because I cant keep aggro. So how can I keep aggro on mulitple targets?Swiifty9 Jun 18, 2012
Jun 18, 2012 SOR HELP Hey guys im thinking of making a pally and using a sor to ding him to 80.... The only thing is i really really really hate lvling i was wondering if anyone could give me some personal opinions of there lvlving experences as a pally... Like why you loved it so much or if you did it and just hate lvling as much as me how you managed to suffer through it. Any advice would help but plz no trollzDotboomdot6 Jun 18, 2012
Jun 18, 2012 Thoughts Regarding Talents in MoP Maybe this is in the wrong place, but here seems as good as anywhere else for this. First of all, I want to preface this by saying that I don't post around here too often, but I do read a fair bit. I've done my share of tanking over the years and really enjoy it. HOwever, after (finally) getting around to looking into the MoP Talent Trees, I was a bit conflicted on the decision they had to 'simplify' the trees, and make the talents much more flavour-oriented, with (supposedly) all three talent options having a little something for each spec. Now, maybe I'm not looking at things creatively, but it seems that, at least for Paladins in general (and tanks, being one myself, in particular) , with the exception of the level 75 talents and the level 90 choices, there are only obvious decisions for players to select. How is it that these choices actually end up giving you more choices which end up making the class more fun to play and offer more choices that shift talent choices more towards making a player's personal playstyle for the tank? In Blizzard's defense, they seem to have gotten the playstyle thing right in the Level 10 section, with the movement boosts, with each of the bursts appearing to give similar net, in-combat speed increases, with the only real difference being HOW you get those boosts? I thought that the level 10 talent was the sort of thing that Blizzard was going for, not something closer to the level 45, 70, or 90 talent choices where, frankly, the choices are very obvious, and in the case of the level 60 talent, have no truly obvious PvE Tanking use, obviously and heavily skewed towards PVP, except Reptenence, but I suppose that ends up making hte decision obvious as well for PVE, but at least, as I said, you get a real PVP choice...but why offer PVP options at all in what is very clearly a talent tree that is built around PvE utility? I hate to suggest it almost, but wouldn't it make more sense to add a PvP tree to all classes that has a little bit of everything to some extent, bringing it up to four specialisations per class? Just a random thought along those lines. The level 30 selection, I must credit Blizz, appears to be in the same vein of the level 10 option, with a real stylistic choice it seems when it comes to stuns/slows/CC. And for that, again, I must applaud them. But that begs the question: why is it that of all the options you have only two tiers with such 'interesting' choices that seem to fit the mantra Blizz is trying to fulfill in Mists, bringing the character and allowing for a wider selection of playstyles within a specialisation? For the record, even without really researching the trees beyond the quick glances, I ended up selecting the following as the 'obvious' tanking tree, glyphs included. I had hoped, again, it'd be a little more difficult to decide, but it seems that somehow, while trying for interesting, again they might have just made talents boring, and not by taking away the 'variety' that, yes, was relatively pointless, but by making our choices entirely too obvious.!112122!YXjpHt Oh, and in an unrelated note...what's up with the absolutely pointless Minor Glyphs? The only two which might have any use are Falling Avenger and maybe Focused Wrath. All of the rest appear to be completely useless.Pierrick2 Jun 18, 2012
Jun 18, 2012 Going Pink! Giving up the Grey! Just started getting my Hpally up and gotta say, Sooooooo much smoother than leveling my hpriest was. As fun as Hpriest/disc "was"to level hpally is like having both those along with Hpowa which is tbh amazing!!! For a long time on my priest i felt like the red headed step child of blizz. Stripped down hpally is what my old RL said (he was a hpally). I brushed it off thinking if i got good enough with disc/holy priest i could outheal the pinks. WRONG!! Leveling is fun though, The insta casts, hpowa, and many procs that go off quite often (compared to serendipity and Surge which were CRAP). Cant wait to heal in DS/HDS and some old content when i get to 85. TLDR: WHY DIDNT I ROLL I H PALLY FIRST!!!??!?! LOLKabalah4 Jun 18, 2012
Jun 18, 2012 Why is that every retardin..... In BG forget everything else and head straight for the Mage? Don't they know that Mage used to beat down ret pally with just wand?Highßorn47 Jun 18, 2012
Jun 18, 2012 paladin 1 shot macro recently just lvled up a pally. browsed around the forums but i keep seeing arguements about the proper order for the macro and the best way to do it? i would be using this for pvp purposes not pve. cant anyone help me with it?Scizzor7 Jun 18, 2012
Jun 17, 2012 Ideas for a transmog cloak? Hello fellow paladins, I have a quick question about transmog cloaks. If it isn't obvious, I'm working my way towards transmogging the Cataclysmic PVP set. I need a fitting cloak. Specifically, one that could possibly fit both my shield and blue-grays in my shoulders, etc. I'm using the Vicious cloak at the moment, but it's a little too bright for my taste. Nevermind matching my tabard, I just love the damn thing. Thanks in advance!Entensity6 Jun 17, 2012
Jun 17, 2012 Weapon dispute heroic volcanospike v rf maw for holy obviouslySaager3 Jun 17, 2012
Jun 17, 2012 HPal 2v2 ideal partner? Hello all, I'm having some issues with finding a partner I work well with. Thus far I've teamed with a couple people, but by and large we just seem to be a bad comp. We usually make it up to 1400 range and then start encountering Priests who simply mana burn me down. I try LOS but their utility, combined with their partners is usually too much for us to overcome. Is it just me or are H Pal's in a very tight spot in 2v2? Anyone else feel the same way or maybe offer some tips for "best fit" partner?Ozrek1 Jun 17, 2012
Jun 17, 2012 Honor gear grind question I am currently grind for my pvp gear in BGs, Tol Barad, etc. Until I get get full honor gear and begin Arenas and RBGs will perform alright to get by in a PvE raid spec in my crap pvp gear? Reason being is that the guild I am with sometimes I am called to raid as dps and don't want my dps to suffer because it is a pvp spec. My main spec is tank and I do not wish to respec that as it is mainly a pain to get my bars config for that.Tobyto1 Jun 17, 2012
Jun 17, 2012 I Want your opinion... Yes you read it right... I Want your opinion on my gear tell me where i could get some upgrades i know a trinket i have has agility please tell me when dungeon i should run to get a better one. Thanks!Lightfighter5 Jun 17, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 2 Piece PvE Set and Wep? Hey guys. I was just curious which 2 pieces of the 5 piece DS set are BiS for PvP Ret Pallies? Also, is Gurth better for a Ret Pally than the T2 PvP weps? I'd appreciate your help!Sadasf3 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 Any good holy pally macros So that I can have less keybindings?Blackmanakin9 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 Expertise Sorry in advance but quick stupid question human ret using 2 hand sword seal of truth glyphed what's my expertise need to be again I am at 9 I will be reforging to get a bit moreSivallian11 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 considering holy.... Hello I'm orcsk from exodar son of... Joking. I played warrior and many toons since BC but I'm intimidated about healing in pvp. Or healing in general only heal I ever did was a rallying cry then enrage renegeration or whatever it is called but I'm wanting to take on a new roll. So is there anything about healing I should know or any tips that can help me out or where I can go too read some stuff up. I'm totally new to healing and leveled as ret.Orcsk9 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 Threat on heroic spine So a couple weeks ago, Last week we downed spine for the 1st time (in this guild and on this alt), and I was tanking bloods. By the 3rd plate, I was having an immense time keeping them off of our healers, and they would be getting hit hard. We had them stack behind me so the bloods would have to go through my aoe (Cons + hammer spam) to get to them, and even then, it was pretty difficult. I ended up having to make a macro for BoP and Glyphed hand of salv. I do have my holy wrath glyphed to stun them as well. Any tips that might help me keep threat off our healers? It was mainly a resto druid rolling hots and pulling like 30k hps the whole fight.Hòlyców5 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 Vent about a tank So yesterday I was on my mage (level 41) running Scholomance in a random. We have a paladin tank that can't hold agro. He gets really really micro-manage-y. I let it slide at first because, who cares? low level dungeon. After a while, he starts telling me what to do as a mage. Drew the line there. I fired off that he should do less commanding and more tanking, 2 dps dying per over-pull isn't a smooth way to run a dungeon. I tell him to use 'hammer of the righteous' on AE pulls (really as a jab at him). Later, on a boss, I still see the hammer of the righteous rings going off and I'm like 'actually on single target you should be using Crusader Strike, not HotR.' Get this, this is what he says to me, I'm 100% serious: "Crusader strike is for Ret, it's in the Ret part of my spellbook, nice try, noob" I would say he was just trolling if it wasn't for the fact that he was using HotR on single targets. Granted it's not THAT huge of a difference at level 40, but the ignorance. It hurt. Then someone (not me) initiated a kick against the tank, to which I voted yes. I just . . . . I . . . . there is no hope for the future.Pallisade13 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 Ret Pala or Hunter? Hey guys. I play a lot of characters however I don't have a true "main". I'm looking to go all out and really invest most of my time online on 1 class. I narrowed the characters down to a Ret Paladin and Hunter. I would like your opinions on each class in the following categories: A. Duels/1v1 scenarios B. Arenas 2s/3s/5s C. RBGs- What is more wanted for an RBG? D. MoP Future (What class looks better for PvP come MoP) I have both classes at max level right now, and love playing them both. However, it takes to much time to play both of them and I need to pick one or the other. My major concern is PvP. I know the beta is still young, but based off the talents that their getting who do you think will be better?Cøgrax1 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 Trinket Is Reflection of the Light a good trinket choice for a HPally or are straight up Int trinkets better?Kiark2 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 How does a paladin lose a 1 v 1? Provided both players are equally skilled with their class, and equally geared and everything is no holds barred, how does a paladin lose in a 1 v 1? I just dont see it happening, especially against a warrior. Maybe a frost mage or if a hunter could continually kite ( which is hard due to hand of freedom )? I ask because im trying to get the spirit to play my ret paladin again. Hes level 80.Raygar10 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 Ret Pally or Mage for PVP? Last time I played was about a year ago, so Im really out of the loop when it comes to the stage this game is in PVP wise... I have a 83 ret Pally and a 85 mage...Dont know which one to use as my main.. So that leads me to my question...which class is better for pvp? a ret pally or mage? Thank youRobosh3 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 The Invincible Paladin (PvP)? We all know how it is....Paladins are nigh unkillable in BG's (you really have to outnumber then) I rolled this Paladin to be one of those annoying guys that runs into a middle of an enemy group and /laugh as you keep yourself topped off. So my question is : Holy or Protection?Primarch33 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 Pally Tank: EARTH????? Greetings fellow Pally's. This is my first Pally and I LOVE BEING PALLY!!! I need some advice and/or guidence from all you Pally Vets out there. As I approach level 80+, what EARTH gear/weapons should I be on the look out for? Earthfall, Earthshacker, Earthbreaker, etc. I'm not sure if I should look out for MST, EXP or HST on gear. I do know STM is a Pally Tank's best friend, next to a great healer...LOL. Anyway, what ever help ya'll can give me would be GREATLY appreiciated. Please help me lower my reforging cost.....Valinari6 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 16, 2012 Gear before heroics? Hello all, I've recently returned to the game after a very long time away. Looking at the gear guides most of them start with heroic gear but I doubt this mostly crafted healing set I am wearing now is fit for heroics. I'm still missing a lot of items. I was wondering if there are any gear guides out there that mention regular dungeon items? When I left I was a tank so all the quest gear I received was tank oriented. But now I'm deciding to change to healing for something different. So it's tricky enough learning about the new stats and mechanics while trying to find appropriate gear. Thank you, for any advice and criticism. :)Davin4 Jun 16, 2012
Jun 15, 2012 Big list of questions(I read the tank sticky) I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to read this. :D I'm so confused. (new to tanking and sometimes cant understand what the guides mean when they say certain things) 1.) Can you check my spec and glyphs? 2.) Should i reforge out of Mastery? I know I'm supposed to hit CTC cap and then stack mastery but I don't understand what CTC is. Dodge and Parry to 102.4% but that seems really high. I'm a nub at tank gearing Sidenote) My dps pieces are all I have available at the time, so I'm having to work with them. All of my tier pieces were from this weeks raid. (yeah 3 pieces in one raid! So lucky.) 3.) I checked out the BiS thread up at the top and on the Gems. Being a nub, I got the first one it listed assuming that it was the best choice. Can you recommend what would be the best "blue" gems, aka the puissant gem, or defender's gem ? 4.) The healers tell me I'm not squishy, but I feel as though I am. HoT bosses hit me for 20-30k normal, and around 10-20k when I use one of my Survivability cooldowns. Is that normal? 5.) I have trouble keeping aggro on 5+ mobs, especially when the dps want to get bursty on a specific mob. Is there any "sure fire" way to get threat at the beginning of a pull that will give you enough time to tab target the others for additional threat? Sorry about the wall, but I'm just so confused, and I just got off work. So I'm really tired, I'll check on this when I wake up in the morning. Thanks in Advance :D (Hope I put this in a Readable format)Synysterg5 Jun 15, 2012
Jun 15, 2012 nerf exorcism this is absurdly OP at low levels, possible to kill anyone in 5 seconds with a single button. not good. lower the damage a bit at lower levels or add a cooldown so people dont win bgs over a couple pallys hiding in the bushes 3 shotting everyone "pvp isnt balanced around low lvls" and yet lower levels are still part of the game, no? why is it justified that a skill be broken for 84 levels? leveling on my 22 hunter, a 20 pally burned me down faster than i could burn him down [without even healing] with just exorcism... kiting wasnt enough here to stop myself from getting burned down by a healerRiince51 Jun 15, 2012
Jun 15, 2012 Need Help - PROT & RET Talent Builds! Hey guys, just started playing WoW again and been looking around for Talent Builds...right now I am just leveling, doing dungeons, battlefields, quests, etc...I am doing PROT build obviously for tanking, but right now I am focusing on DPS so I am just wondering what builds you guys recommend for PROT and RET?Cycra5 Jun 15, 2012
Jun 15, 2012 So would I be a baddie if... ...I rerolled ret and got the axe instead of the sword/mace. I mean 3 expertise is nice and all but... that axe kicks both their asses by far. Oh blizz sometimes I wish you wouldn't keep my hands tied like this.Erisdar6 Jun 15, 2012
Jun 15, 2012 Need help anyone know any Retribution marcos? would u kindly let me know some. Thanks.Cahaid4 Jun 15, 2012
Jun 15, 2012 norm gurth vs norm slicer Should I switch out my gurth for the experimental slicer? I will be doing heroic soon but for now should I get the normal?Pallarific1 Jun 15, 2012
Jun 15, 2012 Seals of the pure vs Eternal Glory for Ret pvp Wog spec, i instinctively chose the chance for free heals thinking its the obvious choice now when i inspect ret pallies they are all going seals of pure, what is it boosting exactly? each tick by 12% that cant be right? Anyone can shed some light here pleaseBleede34 Jun 15, 2012
Jun 15, 2012 New Glyph of Exorcism and Implications •Glyph of Exorcism has been renamed Glyph of Templar's Verdict. You take 10% less damage for 10 sec after dealing damage with Templar's Verdict. Anyone else see this bit of news come out yesterday? Possibly worth taking for PVP, as it provides an almost constant 10% mitigation, assuming you don't miss of course. What do YOU think? I've seen no one commenting on this.Strokes4 Jun 15, 2012
Jun 14, 2012 Rets? OP? What. I don't understand why people complain about how "OP" Retribution is. I mean, aside from our (rarely) massive self-heals, we have absolute rubbish passive defense (the worst next to DKs/Warriors?), WoG is our only game-changer that keeps us alive, Divine Protection is absolute trash, 20% is very little, it can't even be used while stunned (despite being DIVINE). I guess Divine Shield could be called a defensive, but 8 seconds for a 5 minute cooldown isn't noteworthy, and 2 classes in the game can dispell it. Our damage is high, but it really only comes from our fairly shortlived burst. Once those cooldowns are down, our damage isn't too rough. The same could be said for any class nowadays. And even then, with how strong it is, all Mages/Shamans/Priests (2 of which are the most common things in arena) have to do is bind dispell and spellsteal to 1 and spamspamspam. So where is the "OP"ness I keep hearing about? I'd just call us VIABLE, not OP. With that being said, I'm not complaining. I love my Paladin, I just do tire of being called on my CLASS, rather than my SKILL.Asslesskun9 Jun 14, 2012
Jun 14, 2012 Any Suggestions? Any suggestions to increase my mana conservation based off gear?As is im pulling about 15-20k HPS depending on the fight in heroic modes and topping the meters but id like to manage my mana a bit better without losing healing in the processThegreatness2 Jun 14, 2012
Jun 14, 2012 A few tips please? Newly proct tank still came back to playing after a deployment to Afghanistan, I used to be a Resto druid healer gaining server 1sts during Wrath but fell of the WoW wagon during deployment and just havent gotten severely behind, With the release of MoP, i Decided to change things up once again, Spriest was BC and vanilla gaing hand of Adal, Wrath was resto druid, cata has been leveling and scrub gearing random toons atm. Mop will be the dawn of the prot/Holy pally I have a few ?'s Prot - Ive gotten my rotation down for tanking using 969, but i sometimes have trouble keeping aggro on 5+ mobs once in awhile i will use AS to pull to get the 1st three then i will use my HS and Conc together to gain all aggro for most the of time time, but from time to time i will lose one mob thats even after using HotR? my second ? is I am still having a hard time nearing CTC cap, i had the old FL tier gloves replaced them with new LFR gloves and belt and i dropped a bit of CTC from 96% to 95% I know i have a few peices that i could replace and i have been working on farming them. Holy- right now im specced in to PVP holy but that will change with MoP as off spec heals, I am no noob to healing with the macros needed but i just need to know whats best to use and what to pop when its up for Holy pallys, I know Holy pally PvP is learn to press 4 buttons and you win, but when it comes to PVE i know that wont be viable Just looking for a few pointers Thanks again ~Confessions~Confessions4 Jun 14, 2012
Jun 14, 2012 yellow vs red gems for ret pally what gems should i socket as a ret pally? the yellow gems vs the red gems +50 mastery vs +50 strength should i go full yellow or red?Holysissy5 Jun 14, 2012
Jun 14, 2012 No Reason to be excited for Holy in Mists There doesn't seem to be a reason to be excited for playing a holy paladin come mop. The 12% haste is gone along with some other perks. The only appealing thing I could find was the talent allowing holy shock to have no cooldown for a short duration.Dreamcasts3 Jun 14, 2012
Jun 14, 2012 Which weapon? Normal Gurth Or Heroic experimental specimen slicer?Photas6 Jun 14, 2012
Jun 14, 2012 Paladin Cleanse Macro Hey I was just wondering if there was a way to make a macro to Cleanse my arena buddies. I want a Non mod button that would just cast cleanse on my current target or myself if i do not have a target and a Shift mod that would cast it on Jathertt and an alt mod that would cast it on Manapansta. Is this possible? I don't really care for the Mouseover macros i feel that they take to long to used. Thanks!!Panddorra4 Jun 14, 2012
Jun 14, 2012 Ret, Gear, and BGs Hey all Lately I've been playing a lot of ret in random BGs and unlike what I usually read, I don't feel as squishy as most people claim rets to be. Atm, I'm not running any resil gear, although I'm already stockpiling resil gear for later use and my question is this - what difference will I feel from going from full pve gear to mostly pvp gear (with 2pc tier for judgement)? Will I not die as fast, lose dps, either, or both?Arlarr6 Jun 14, 2012
Jun 13, 2012 Any know a nice 1H mace to go with my xmorg? hi all if anyone has any ideas on a 1h mace for my xmorg set, please let me know!!! :)Bùbblèosèvèn6 Jun 13, 2012
Jun 13, 2012 Can't decide which 2 trinkets to equip (tank) Veil of Lies Soulshifter Vortex Fire of the DeepAriana2 Jun 13, 2012
Jun 13, 2012 new to pally! 85 tomorrow Hello everyone I will be 85 tomorrow and not sure where to start with my spec but saw thread that had sticky on it. So now I am stuck with knowing what I will need on my action bars what heals to use and what macros out there will n how to manage mana I have a warrior so man is new to me any tips would help btw gonna be pvping.Orcsk4 Jun 13, 2012
Jun 13, 2012 70 Arena/BGS Hey guys, Since I don't feel like doing the 85 gear grind, waiting for mop to come out and everything will be replaced again... I'm going to try out lvl 70 arena on this guy. I was planning on playing ret/prot and had a quick question about gems. For the yellow slots in the 70 pvp gear, should I stack 20 strength in all slots or should I put the 20 res or crit gems in? Also at 70, anyone know the hit cap for 1hd and 2hders? Thank youDwaynejonson1 Jun 13, 2012
Jun 13, 2012 Am I stacking too much haste? hiya fellow paladins! i've always felt i'm stacking too much haste. not really sure when to stop lol. when should I stop? i've always been muddled, to stack haste? or stack mastery? ideas.. ideas.. :PBùbblèosèvèn2 Jun 13, 2012
Jun 13, 2012 will guild perk mount up and crusader arua just wandering if this would work. have a discustion in guild chat about this.Alistaanub3 Jun 13, 2012