Feb 29, 2012 Can I improve? I recently made the switch from PVP ret to holy, and I love it. I think I finally have a good handle on all my gear/gems/chants/glyphs, but I was hoping people could point out anything that I could improve on, like changing some talents around or using different trinkets or chants. For example, I was thinking about putting points into more efficient exorcisms, but didn't see any talents that I wanted to lose so idk. Any input would be nice! I know I need a couple more of the minor glyphs btw, just dont feel like spending 400g yet on a glyph that basically does nothing. Thanks!!Feladas3 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 How to BURST? Ok here is the deal, I dont play my pally much and i would like to start back. I hear about all this burst dmg but i dont know what it is. I KNOW wings are popped but then what? Any advice?Drindin4 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 ret stat question I have been stacking mastery with my reforging and stuff thinking it would be better than haste or crit I am at 17.69 mastery right now....Should keep the mastery or reforge for crit or haste? I know strength is tops but I never get to reforge for itLilknifer7 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Show off your Transmog Sets. Here's my Ret set. Still missing a few pieces. Gauntlets of the Righteous Champion - Doubt I get. Flameguard Gauntlets - Farming weekly Ashkandi, Greatsword of the Brotherhood - Farming weekly or Kalimdor's Revenge Healing set - Full T2 & Full T7 with Red Dragonscale Protector and working on finishing Full T8 (10man) Bizzerd6 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Reg gurth vs H Slicer vs H gurth I've been seeing horribly conflicting reports as to which weapons I should be using. In some cases reg gurth is being said to be better than H slicer. This seems improbable, as our proc chance was nerfed by quite a bit. I'd just like to know if I should be rolling against my blood tank or not when it drops. I've also seen some BiS lists listing H slicer over H gurth. This seems a little wonky, but is the proc chance really that bad? Side note: H Ultrax trinket or bone-link?Bmg1 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Ret trinket Question - Rotting Skull v Creche Is Rotting Skull worth picking up for fights with heavy burn phases? (Zan, Deathwing) I've already got Eye of Unmaking and Creche, and I'm wondering if it would be worth throwing VP at before starting to gear my other sets.Yvesh3 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Ready for Normal Raiding? Hey guys, Wondering if some of yall could help me out and see if my gear level is ready for raiding normal DS. I believe I've gotten the handle on my mastery, dodge, and parry with the gear I have. If yall see any problems with gear, stats, forges, etc speak up please. Thanks, FateFateslight4 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Valor or keep set bonus? So trying to gear up and raid. I am happy with my set up but like everyone there is always more to improve. I have not broken up my immolation gear because I have the valor hands but it would break up that set. Also I can now buy the Valor head or chest bont then I would be breaking up that set. Any help or suggestions on if its ok to break those sets for the higher Item levels?? Should I just change them out for higher item levels? Any help greatly appreciated. I have 4 trinkets that I change around as needed.. Veil of Lies Indomnitable Pride Soulshifter Vortex Fire of the Deep Sorry do not know how to link them for stats. You can look at my profile and see what I am currently in.Soulstisse5 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Too much mastery as a prot paladin????? I was doing firelands last night and all, we were doing fine, got to the beth and someone asked my my mitigation stats and i told them Dodge - 14%, Parry - 19%, Mastery - 48.5%, well they told me i should redo my reforges because i was mastery stacking too much and i should get my dodge and parry to equal out with my mastery. Is this true or what?Persseus26 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Prot or Ret for farming off spec? I am Holy Moley but when it comes to farming in Uldum that's not going to cut it. Every herb comes with a complementary mob. I have an 83'ish tank set and was prot farming for a bit, but it was slow killing. So should I get better gear for prot or go ret. If ret then what stats am I Looking for mainly? Or can the strength/stam gear for tanking be used the same? I'm just trying to down the mobs fast so I can move on.Pvpoverkill4 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 PvP - Nothing to do as Ret? Without Judgement granting Holy Power (I had an 85 Paladin at the start of Cataclysm, when Judgement still granted Holy Power, and it felt a LOT better), Ret feels awfully slow a lot of the time. Without DP or AoW procs, it's just pitiful. I don't think I could stand PvP w/o the 2pc bonus from T13... or T12... or whatever tier we're on right now. -_- Gearing up as Ret is painful as hell. I use all my Holy Power to bomb WoGs on the better DPS and healers in trouble, basically assist them full time with HoF and HoS, and while this can be pretty fun and rewarding as it makes you feel useful (54k crit WoGs in this gear is hilarious), it makes me wonder if the damage outside of cooldowns is any good or if the spec is just boring when you're not red with wings. If you're in say, full S11 Ruthless, how big does WoG/Flash/DL heal/crit for if you're Holy, by the way?Projectiletv60 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Unable to bounce Living Meteor So, doing Rag as ret today (i've always healed before). The meteor is coming... Exorcism, nothing, Judgment, nothing. Crusader Strike, nothing, die. Is this a bug or can we not hit it somehow? As Holy I would always knock it back with Exorcism. Lusignan1 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Str or Mastery What should ret pallys gem for pvp. Str or mastery and why? TYBiged7 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Repentance Is there a way to macro it to say who i repented?Rhydun2 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Are Ret Paladins viable for RBGs? Ive been told that Rets are not good for rbgs just because they don't bring enough to the team for them to be helpfull. Is this completely true?Unicornslayr1 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 [Ret PVP] Souldrinker+Mend+Insight Macro? I've never gone sword and board while being trained but wondering if there was an exception since I just picked Souldrinker from LFR. Equip Soul Drinker (mending) Equip Ruthless Shield Cast Seal of Insight Cast Divine ProtectionThen macro swap back to 2-hander + DPS seal. Souldrinker heals for about 3900 Mending heals for about 700 Insight heals for about 2100In the span of a Divine Protection, 10 seconds, you can get back roughly 20-30k HP depending on procs. Anyone try this out and can advise to save me some time and possible headache? lol Thanks!Wharrgarrbl10 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Disarm Help I am posting this here because I trust and respect my fellow Pallies advice. I use a weapon chain for pvp right now, I have enough honor for a second ruthless glad weapon, is it faster to switch weapons if disarmed or just keep using a weapon chain? Tankhealplz2 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Holy Radiance 4 Piece T13 Stealth Nerf? Some sites are reporting that the 4 piece holy paladin bonus has been reduced from 20 percent to 5 percent. This change is NOT listed in the official patch notes. Could someone please confirm?Baricade27 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 29, 2012 Do Ret Pally's need expertise (PvP) The title pretty much says it all, im using glyph of seal of truth, for the 10 + expertise, but do pally's need it at all in PvP?Ezraelzard24 Feb 29, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 Which 2H is better for Ret? My offspec is ret for some of the 1 tank fights. Currently I am using: Ataraxis, Cudgel of the Warmaster I ran LFR and got the 390 version of: Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps Which one would be better for me as of right now? For down the road, I will eventually get the 403 Gurthalak. If Blackhorn's mace is better now, will the 403 Gurthalak be better when that drops? And finally, when HM Blackhorn starts dropping the heroic Ataraxis, whill that be better then 403 Gurthalak? Thanks in advanced.Zarix5 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 Madness CD question I am having issues timing my cooldowns to maximize dps during cataclysm phases. Should I be saving them for it, or do the standard opener with them and try to line it up afterwards?Caloza19 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 ret question i wanted to know how ret is in terms of rotation, do they have a big and complicated rotation or are they fairly easy to play? was thinking of rolling a tauren pally :)Wartotem10 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 If You Could Get 3 Second CS If you reforged, and re-enchanted from mastery and crit, and went straight haste. Say theoretically you could get a 3 second crusader strike with JotP and a s-priest or shamans +5% haste. Would it be worth the loss of mastery at that point?Tarvoz14 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 best pvp spec questions so, i been playing my paladin and iv heard that holy is the best spec at the moment for pvp. i don't mind healing folks but i prefer to actually fight, so is ret a viable pvp spec for paladins or is holy truly the better of the 2 specs?Magictrick3 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 Hey Blizz... I want my paladin horse back, elekks are stupid, can I please have my horsey back? :)Zaraes11 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 Gurthlalkaahkaadfa voice of proc? Sat on a test dummy for about 5 minutes straight and got 1 proc. Sat on a test dummy again for only 2 minutes and got 3-4 of them. It was cool each tentacle did 100k dmg but wow so random lolWharrgarrbl5 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 Ret pally stats and reforging Can someone tell me do u reforge for mastery before u reforge for crit/haste? ty in advanceZasaf11 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 Divine Storm Is worthless MOST rets don't even spec into it. This used to be our top tier move. Now it shares the same CD with CS, does about half the damage, and heals less than WoG. What's the point? Seriously. It just makes ret rotation super clunky. After getting a slight dps boost on AoE mobs by mixing it with SoR, then you finish the mob off and theres that single target still standing, you have to switch seals to truth in the middle of combat and start using CS. That's a clunky rotation. If I'm going to spend a point into a move, I want it to be IT'S OWN MOVE. Not share the same CD with the move I always already use. Give it it's own CD.Grancarudd11 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 Ret or Holy for Season 12? I've been playing ret for my entire PvP carrer in WoW (which isn't long) and I just got really skilled with it just a couple months ago. But, now that I've got it all down, my RL friends/arena buddies are insisting I main spec/gear holy for the next season. This makes sense, cause we would be able to run TSG. I plan on main speccing ret again in Mists, but for now here's the question; do you think it's a good idea to play holy next season and learn about it and go farther in 3's with it, or stay ret and try to find a niche spot in a 3's group that would most likely not go 2k+. I'm shooting for that area next season for the first time. Cheers!Mukara1 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 BG's/Arena Recount Data After running BG's or arena for a few hours or so what does you recount look like? I can't seem to get away from approximately this: Censure 15-18% Crusader Strike 12-15% Melee 11-13% Templar's Verdict 11-13% Judgment 10-11% Hammer of Wrath 7-9% Seal of Truth 5-7% Hand of Light 5-7% Exorcism 4-6% Holy Wrath 2-3% This was after random BG's. I know TV is relatively low, but I am Last Word specc'd and I do a lot of WoG on team mates and myself. I am really surprised how hard Censure can crit (over 20k even in this gear) and Judgement as well. In fact after a couple nice Hammer Crits around 60k+, Judgement is my second hardest hitting ability. It's not uncommon to get over 50k crits on players in my mostly ruthless gear. I know Hand of Light is low too but I am currently reforged into crit for my WoGs. Overall though does it look like I am prioritizing my abilites correctly? I typically try to keep CS on CD, TV with 3 HP (or Wog of course) I rarely use Inq, unless I am either blowing all my CD's or I am running around with a DP proc I want to use before it fades and there's nothing else to use it on or I am getting kited and won't be able to reach my target before my proc drops. I rarely miss an Exo proc (if I do, it's because I get a double proc before I can use the first one) I usually use Judgment on CD unless of course the afore mentioned abilities are available. I almost never switch to Seal of Righteousness unless I am in AV or Isle and there's tons of people around. I throw on Seal of Justice when I am in Strands and chasing demos but apart from that almost never use it either. Anyways if anyone bothers to read that entire thing and make a few suggestions or comments I would appreciate it:) Please don't tell me to spec HoJ or reforge to Mastery though. I know that mastery does more damage overall but I really like helping out team mates with big WoG crits. Anyways I am off to kick some battleground !@#!Aulë0 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 28, 2012 Trinks. So I recently got Heart of Unliving, and omg its nice. Then I was wondering, would Heart and DMC:Tsunami be a viable combo? (I have heroic Jaws on atm with Heart) I noticed a H Pally solo healing 10m H Ultra with Heart/Tsunami, which is why I am bringing this up.Dwargdwarf2 Feb 28, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 Paladin PvP - Heal or DPS Which is more viable in pvp, I hear and have experienced protection pvp to do nice damage, but also hear that pally's can do nice pvp healing. So my question is which roll is the paladin better suited to do in 4.3 pvp?Arinya12 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 Gears up for heroics and raids as holy? Hi, I need some advice on how to start gearing up. What is the item level needed to start doing heroics and raids? What do I do until then? My current item level is 339. Should I just keep running normals again and again for valor points until I reach the required level to do heroics and then proceed with them or are there dailies and other activities I can. Speaking of dailies anyone know a guide on the best quests that provide most money/rewards that can be done daily or weekly? I would like to get a sort of routine for myself. Thanks.Believed5 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 Paladin gap closer (Concept) Looking at MoP's talents and we still have no real gap closer. We have movement increases that are decent, but you can still be snared, stunned, etc. So unless they add a CC immunity to these moves, NO. Paladins are notorious for not having a gap closer. It's ridiculous, we have moves to keep us from being snared, but we can still be stunned 10 yards away from our target. These counter CC's are also on long CD's, seeing as it is easy to get away from us and kite us once again. So I've come up with 2 ideas for a gap closer. First is (haven't come up with a good name yet) Light's justice: 8 - 20 yard range Basically, there's a big flash of light where you are (kind of like flash from LoL) and then you suddenly appear in front of your target. Instead of stunning them like warriors charge, they are snared to you. Meaning that where you decide to move for the next 3 seconds (not sure about timings yet) they are attached to you, and move where you move (pulling them). This would be great in a PvP situation where as we can finally have a gap closer. Here's a link for a visual example: (something along the lines of this with a gap closer) The second one is more universal for paladins, called swift protection/retribution: 8 - 30 yard range: This move is sort of like a Death grip/charge combo. Let's say if there's a mage 20 yards away, this would pull me 10 yards his way, and he get's pulled 10 yards my way, simultaneously. In ret's tree this would silence them for 3 seconds. However it can be used in the other 3 trees as well. Such as prot could use it while tanking, where as when they grab an party member, damage get's transferred to them (similar to intervene). And holy could use it and put a damage shield on the target. Basically it will move you both to half the yardage of the distance. These are just ideas, and no their not the most original ideas, but I think they can be modified. What ideas/feedback do you guys have?Grancarudd34 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 HPal in 3s I keep hearing that Holy Paladins are not good healers for 3s and it is really comp-dependent. What is the opinion on this? I plan on doing Hunter/Rogue/HPal with all 2200+ exp players aiming for 2200 rating this season. I appreciate any opinions from you guys, thanks in advance.Nocturñus5 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 Hpally PVP proffs im about to ding 85 on my hpally this is going to be a pvp only char what proffs would be good to pick up and why ..any help would be greatMòjojojo3 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 Ret PVP Talent Question Hey guys, sorry if this is a re-hash but I haven't seen anything in the forum searches. I'm a bit confused about Judgements of the Pure vs Sanctity of Battle. Does Sanctity imply that increased haste effects and stats will have NO effect on CS/DS whatsoever? Does that mean that without Sanctity JotP is only useful for mana regen? More generally, I want to try and get another point into Seals of the Pure and I'm divided on pulling the point out of Sanctity or taking it from Divine Storm. I'm a bit of a DS junkie now that I've had it for a while and find it hard to let it go. I find it's pretty useful on those pesky rogues on the flag (always trying to hump my back for some reason.. /shoo). But I'm not sure if the haste from Sanctity and JotP are really helping me build holy power any faster. Lastly, I'm stuck with one ret spec for both pve and pvp which makes things a bit tougher although I lean to PVP in decision-making. I think in the end I'll just have to try each out and see what I feel better with but I'd appreciate any opinions. Smaxx1 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 prot paly pvp question so before they changed vengeance in pvp, i was using my current armor, enchant and gem make up that suggested, it worked great! i felt like a true tank! but now since they changed vengeance in pvp, i feel like im wearing paper armor.... my hunter and warlock last longer in mele combat then i do now. so my question is what gives? vengeance shouldn't have anything to do with how much damage i can take, did something get changed or is there a bug on prot palys right now? i have ample resilience and i take damage like i don't have any resilience at all. on top of that, since the vengeance change, the site suggests a totally different geming and enchant makeup than before.... so my question is why? if any one has any answers. no im not QQing i just want ot know what change i missed that is messing things up recently so i can adjust to different gearing options to match my play style. has any other prot palys noticed feeling squishy since the vengeance change?Henrieta2 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 Human Paladin Name Suggestions I'm making a Human Paladin, and I can't find any available names that I like. Any suggestions?Lorebreaker9 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 trinket selection help so i have rotting skull, raid finder creche of the final dragon, and i just got the eye of the unmaking (403).....Cantbtouched1 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 My First Pvp Video I've been playing for almost 6 years now and have never tried to make a pvp video. But I did some reading on it and put together this short video of the footage I had. ENJOY Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 Where to go? Hi, I am on my 3rd character but stopped this one about a year ago. Now I am trying to get the hang of the game again. So much has changed that I am not even sure where a good place to restart would be. As a lvl 64 pally where should I go now? Cheers, Chastain DragonsyreChastain6 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 Judgement glyph? I remember seeing some speculation a while back after the censure hotfix that Glyph of judgement may be better than Exo. Is this true or should I stick with the Exo glyph? It has been a while since I've touched this char so I don't know and the Ret guide is a bit outdated.Holysquid3 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 27, 2012 What order do i buy pvp pieces now? Hey guys, used the search function for a while but i didn't see anything that answered my question. I have most of the crafted gear and a single trinket. Just wondering what pieces of gear in what order show for largest increase. ps. 1st pally forum post? i sure think so!Äurora5 Feb 27, 2012
Feb 26, 2012 A Question for the Healing enthusiasts Hey there! I've been doing heals for pvp with just about every healing class so far except the Paladin. I've recently been having a ton of fun with my Holy/Disc priest and was wondering, as far as your own personal experiences with either class (priest or paladin) goes, which one do you think is funner in BG's/Arena? My paladin is lvl 84 so far and I've just started trying holy out and I'm on the fence right now. I just wanted some input before I decide to commit to gearing this pally up. Any input is truly appreciated! Thanks!Shirli3 Feb 26, 2012
Feb 26, 2012 pvp ret and LFR looking to level up my ret for pvp next. wanting to know how much of a pain it is to earn 2pc T13 through LFR never tried LFR before and have a few questions: 1. how difficult is it to get 2pc t13 (especially the 2 coveted ones [i forget which])? ? 2. does tanking allow you to get into LFR faster/do you recommend it? 3. what would you say are average queue times for healer/tank/dps for them? 4. how long do these lfr raids take usually if the group does flawlessly? what about if they wipe a lot? err that's about it :D <3 thank youEmbalm4 Feb 26, 2012
Feb 26, 2012 Guardian of Ancient Kings macro To my esteemed colleagueson the council of the college of protection and mitiagion paladins, I propose; /s JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL! /cast guardian of ancient kingsToast4 Feb 26, 2012
Feb 26, 2012 Healing H Warlord. So we 3 heal it with a druid/shaman on ranged and myself on the Beartank and the melee. Sadly we also do this with 4 melee DPS and a tank (So 5 melee total). I'm having some issues keeping up the tank on the last couple bounces due to RNG *Melee swings, giant 100k+blasts and the ball AoE*. Any tips from those who have tried? Are you having your other two healers assist with healing the melee? Do you cleanse the debuff or do you heal through it? Any help is lovely.Hombello3 Feb 26, 2012
Feb 26, 2012 need to find trainer for journeyman riding If anyone can help me with this that would be great! I have been looking for a trainer to train me in journeyman riding (the one where you have to reach level 40 in order to get this said "spell") and I have been unable to find one. If anyone knows where to find a trainer could you tell me where? Thank you very much. (another note: I am in the eastern plaguelands.)Blackdragon4 Feb 26, 2012
Feb 26, 2012 Ret Pally Heals OP multiple wogs to full LUL > Brizzadin0 Feb 26, 2012