Feb 16, 2012 Ret PvP clunkiness at low level. Note: I should be showing up as 49 and with a couple different gear upgrades, but I guess armoury takes a bit to update. The title gives most of it away, but does Ret PvP get less clunky as the levels grow higher? I feel so * slow* whenever I'm on my paladin. Compared to when I was leveling my warrior, rogue, shaman, and druid through the brackets. I knew what to keep dealing the damage with after I opened up. Now, its more of "I hope this person I randomly clip is totally confused for a moment while I wait for crusader strike to come of cd or tAoW to proc." Granted however, is that a single clip crit is sometimes all I need to one shot somebody with my amount of BoA's. It's simply the fights with healers or multiple people. I can't peg them down fast enough unless I get a lucky proc or Divine purpose proc. Does ret PvP really revolve that much around wings and HoW spam? Even after the patch?Coporalcow1 Feb 16, 2012
Feb 16, 2012 Question about focus macros. I recently attempted to set up a focus Repentance and HoJ macro to no avail. I've scoured the forums and videos to see how others are doing it and set mine up the exact same way. I have double, triple, checked them time and time again. The macro will only Repent/HoJ my target and not my focus target. If anyone out there has some experience with this I would love a solution to my problem. Thanks in advance for the help.Rentel10 Feb 16, 2012
Feb 16, 2012 Mop Ret changes How do you feel Some of the changes are nice very nice actually ,then there always the annoying changes . Some spells them selves have some nice changes Exo-instant cast Jud - 4% physical damage increase GoAK- Reduced to 3mins HoW- Generates hp Then we have a couple new spells that are sweet Boundless conviction - Store up to 2 Hp over the max of 3 Any of the LVL90) talents are nice -! Blinding light - blinds enemies for 6 secs Then the annoying We still have to use HP =D Divine storm - 3hp to use lvl15,30,75) talent trees, We own 2 outta the 3 that we choose from already..I really hate to have to choose Between Zealotry or Divine purpose The Hammer of the righteous and Divine storm are annoying to me because youll have 2 completely different rotations plus seal swapping for trash ugh Before all you had was Divine storm taking place of CS and same rotation, now you gotta use Hammer of the righteous over CS to build 3hp to use Divine storm over TV on multi targets blah.............not to mention having to seal swap depending on the amount of targets per pull ... Over all I like allot of the changes , well have to see how this plays out ... Justicär10 Feb 16, 2012
Feb 16, 2012 So I'm going to Dragonsoul tonight.... Tips as far as a good dps rotation? I did download FCFS... but I'm not too keen on it, probably because I'm not using it right. Paladin community! HALPBragerminor2 Feb 16, 2012
Feb 16, 2012 MoP- Prot CS and HotR really 4.5 sec CD? Ret gets both a Holy Power generating Judgement AND a potentially faster CS, while Prot get a (newly) slowed CS/HotR? Am I missing something? Well... That's upsetting. Talk about completely ruining our rotation even further.Casanunda7 Feb 16, 2012
Feb 16, 2012 The sky is falling Yes, there really are hammers falling from the sky.Stafoo2 Feb 16, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Holy Insight/Boundless Conviction Blizz, words cannot express how much I <3 you right now... I think I might be tearing up... :'DPandademic0 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Life after CTC Cap Help? So I have just began my life as a tank but have been wondering something. Now that Im CTC capped while in raid, I want to lean more toward now keeping CTC while improving my health pool. We already have begun hardmodes and such. Right now with my current gear I can raid with my group, use a Stam flask and still be CTC, but my question is, how do I go about figuring if I can start gemming away from my avoidance/migitation to stam while maintaining CTC? I know theres Chardev, I use Reforelite and all, but am I going to need to just start messing with gems and just paying for it each time? Not that gold is an issue or anything, just wondered if the pros out there knew something I didn't.Rijiac3 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Cooldowns for 1tanking Madness? How's it done? Asking for an old friend that just got back into WoW again and will be tanking for me. I know with 2 tanks: 1st Platform - Dream 2nd Platform - Bubble 3rd Platform - BoP 4th Platform - Bubble But how do you pros do it 1-tanking with a paly? Does nothing change because there will only be 1 impale per platform with 1tank? We 1-tanked it with a DK, and we actually got 2 impales on 4th platform, this is why I ask. Thanks in advance. -QuelQuelthanas9 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Boundless Conviction (MoP) Take a look at any spec under the paladin class abilities. We gained an ability called Boundless Conviction, where we can store up to 5 total HP, but any HP using ability will only ever use 3 HP total. What are your thoughts? It's basically an extension to our Holy Power bar. Edit: It's earned at level 85Maeltum14 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Mastery Hey guys, I was just wondering if I should be sacrificing socket bonuses for pure mastery gems. When is the extra mastery worth the loss of the bonus?Nec2 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Next valor purchase? Uhhh. relic, cloak? I'd prefer to buy a BiS taken into account that I will be raiding whenever my new desktop gets here, and wouldn't want to buy anything that will be a waste of valor. What would my fellow paladins propose for a protection paladin?Entensity7 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Holy regen: Human Spirit or Arcane Torrent Which of the two mana regen racials provides the better mana regen to holy paladins? Human Spirit (Human) or Arcane Torrent (Blood Elf)Alnair7 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Nerf to mobility in MoP So after checking the new talent update we seem to have now lost Acts of Sacrifice and gained no gap closer, any other rets getting a bit worried?Scripture18 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 T13 Styles (Upon Styles) Hello, everyone. Between my quest to obtain my two favorite armor sets (T2 and T13) I've come across a bit of a problem. I have found a perfect cape for my T2 transmog set (Recovered Scarlet Onslaught Cape), but I've yet to find one for the t13 set! Let's be honest, the VP cape for Ret Paladins simply looks no good, so I'm calling out for assistance from my fellow Paladins. What capes have you found that look real good, if not perfect, with the T13 armor set?Auno5 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Seal question for ret pally My paladin is level 44 at the moment and I'm currently using seal of truth at all times. Can anyone provide examples of when to use the other seals?Vanduren5 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 weapon to match mog anyone know a good 1 handed mace to match the mog i am wearingSizux0 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 T2 vs 403 Gurthtalak Because maths is hard, I was wondering if anyone could tell me which was superior in terms of PvE dps The t2 has the higher weapon damage, crit and strength. Gurthtalak has the proc. What do?Mechaniical6 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Pali help Hi guys I'm fairly new to the forums and I have a question I'm leveling a pali prot spec and so far its fun but I've never run him in an instance and I wonder what a good set up is for the action bars and where to find a rotation appropriate for his level? Ideally I would like to learn how to tank and not suck Any tips in plain english would help (please skip the math just let me know what works and what doesn't) again thank you to all that respond it's appreciated.Medraut1 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 retribution pally rotation hey guys got a question I need help on rotation on a ret pally I have Google it and watch you tube but everyone has different ways I just wanna rack ur brain's and get an idea Cos I know my dps is down atm I'm over getting kicked from raids please please help thank u :-)Wilso7 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Am i geared enough for reg DS? im doing about 20k hps in raid finder, but having mana issues. I think it's because im overhealing. stats incase im in pvp gear: 2k spirit 8.3k spellpower 16.7 haste 2700 mp5 while in combat 15% crit 9% mastery I also have the lfr heart of unliving and tsunamiGetreal2 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 whats new whats the news on the cool down for word of glory? Shortcircuit2 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Question for ret players Would you prefer a more reliable way to use exorcism to boost dps, for example ret being able to cast exo while moving (i.e. warrior slam), and something along the lines of crusader strike stacking a buff that lowers the cast time of exo until it's instant cast (i.e. 33%/66%/100) instead of a random instant proc? Would you prefer a shorter cooldown on bubble for ret, at the expense of ret bubble no longer makes you invincible or lowers damage by 50%, and instead makes you un-cc'able and undispellable for 6 seconds? Would you prefer one or both of these changes (or similar changes) at the cost of lowering some of ret's total wings burst dps capability?Kniav3 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Rotting Skull Sorry if this has been asked. Is Rotting Skull viable over a pure strength trink like Creche or Varothen's Brooch? Should I upgrade to it or attempt to obtain Creche? Thanks.Jorixx2 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Ret pvp state? Questions! Considering leveling my ex-beast of a ret pally to pvp with. Currently pvping as rogue, and looking to work on a 2nd toon. How is ret holding up these days in open BG's? Frustrating or fun? Are there classes people dont stand a chance against currently? Would most likely gear up with honor gear in randoms, and then perhaps move to 2's and 3's. Thoughts? Feedback is appreciated. Happy hunting.Fourfidy2 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 What's your "ideal" dodge and parry? While it all depends on what gear/reforging you have and staying as close to CTC as possible - what do you consider your "ideal" dodge and parry, due to diminishing returns? Personally, I've been shooting for 15% dodge, 16% parry. Currently a little low on dodge, a little high on parry - but CTC is good, hit and expertise are pumped up somewhat. One stamina trinket, typically using Dodge food for convenience (feast) and stamina flask. Finally working on HM DS (1/8) and plan to start working on Ultraxion HM tonight.Mootastic12 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Tanking Trinket: Veil of Lies Post here if you're protection and have had DPS win Veil of Lies after rolling need. Also post what evils you wish to befall them. I had mine taken by an Unholy DK. I hope they have stale cake on their next birthday.Anesthia2 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 You know what I miss most about paladins? Having the redoubt talent proc as a ret paladin with a two hander on and getting the block animation. Looked cool for some reason. :STuraven7 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 [PVP] Holy - how do the good ones do it? Admittedly, this is WSG random BGs, but I just watched: Take on 3 hunters & 3 hunter pets (2 monkeys and a spider) and he never dipped below 90% I was being patient and watching for the other hunter's silence shot and trying to time mine. when it was on cooldown i was using Scatter shot. He never stood still and just kept throwing blessing of freedom on himself. Looking at his gear he has really good gear and obviously knows his class well. I just want to know how he over came 3 hunters pounding on him with timed silence shots and scatters. I never saw a single was all instants. How do holy pallies generate holy power to instant heal themselves? Do holy pallies have a way to generate holy power from being offensive? I'm not QQ, I was just thoroughly impressed. This guy took on 3 fully geared hunters and didn't hiccup. At the time of me typing this he had over 4 million healed with 50 some HKs and not a single death.Caüse11 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Let's Play Corrupt a Wish Someone makes a wish, you grant but in corrupted way. I wish to be top of the DPS charts.Speedlot500 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Let's work as one to create an ultimate guide I put this idea forward: why don't some of us who focus on one certain aspect of the game all get together and make the ultimate paladin guide? For example: I love pvp...and I usually just run randoms since my teamies are friends are sporadic in their pvp play. I know lot's of pvp guides just cover arenas but I can contribute on how to run battlegrounds as a holy paladin and others who do the same can work with me and we will offer a comprhensive section on randoms. or a few of you may be prot pve raiders and know that aspect inside and out so you can work together and compare and combine ideas. this way we can create the encyclopedic knowledge base for paladins we could structure it something like: section 1: what is a paladin? (overview of the specs and play style) section 2: leveling as <insert spec here> ( different methods of leveling such as "fast" or "story") section 3: I'm lvl 85 now what? etc etc we can have sections for all aspects of every spec, comparions of builds, rotations, addons, lore, gear...everything. just contribute what you know and don't take offense if someone offers a different take on it. try it out and see and compare with each other. anybody else in? like I said I primarily do random battleground healing so if anyone else wants to help with that section let me know. Gibreel0 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 how can i improve healing? so I've been having this little problem i cant seem to correct on my own and wanted to know what you guys know that i don't. First off...i'm a pretty good healer. yes, i am and i don't complain about the numbers i pull since i'm 90% of the time i'm the top healer in my raids and I've been like that since the start of Wrath. However, despite my efforts to maintain myself current on all info available, tactics, spreadsheets reforges blah blah blah... there's a couple points I find myself at a crossroads... 1. Sometimes i try to work on my over healing percentage. As you all know paladins are plagued by the over healing disease and unless we are playing a heavy mastery build...well we are just wasting heals. Now, when i lower my over heal (greatly, less than 25%), i'm end up way low on the meters and my raid and other fellow healers suffer greatly.. 2. If i just spam heal all the way and maximize every single cool down i top meters (blast them through the roof actually) and the raid is very comfortable but then i get a slap in the wrist for over healing too much and "not using my resources properly". So...which one is it???? I've tried different aproaches to this but it seems that no matter what our class (because of how it works) is doomed to over heal in order to be efficient!? Also...Ive got a fellow raider who has an off-spec in holy and has lower gear than me (like he still has Kingdoms Heart equipped) and he actually came to me regarding holy advice...and yet when we both matter how much i blow my CDs he just heals more than me... How? what mistakes or details am i missing that i can't develop further into my spec? Your all welcome to check my spec and stuff and any criticism is appreciated. thanksCalathiel10 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Open Libram XVII: 2/02/2012 - Judgement Day ... Inception of OL Post, better known as the "grandpa" thread: Open Libram I: Paladin Weekend Edition - Open Libram II: Seal of Hairflip - Open Libram III: Clad in the Light - Open Libram IV: Edge (Word) of Glory- Open Libram V: Of Flipping Tables and Hair - Open Libram VI: My Little Pally - Open Libram VII: Hammer of What - Open Libram VIII: Turkey Edition: Open Libram IX: Go Go Pally Rangers!: Open Libram X: Tirion Fordring Broke My Heart: Open Libram XI: Deck the Halls with Tentacles: Open Libram XII: The Pally Puff Girls!: Open Libram XIII: The Rowdy Ret Boys!: Open Libram XIV: Ret Light District: Open Libram XV: Year of the Dragonslayers: Open Libram XVI: Have Seal, Will Judge: Open Libram on Pageface: Libram Ponydins as drawn by Lobster: Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 solo bc heroics Hey guys, I wanted to farm the purple judgement set from the bc heroics and I was wondering if I could just solo it as ret? I've never really tried soloing instances before (besides running guildies through VC and what not) so thought I'd ask.Arkhammer17 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Holy pally tips So I just got this toon to 85 about 3 weeks ago, farmed every piece of ruthless I needed to, and looked up "rotations", gemming, enchanting, etc.. I'm really enjoying holy pally, which is why I come to the forums to ask for tips/tricks or anything that would increase my performances(mainly in PvP). Excluding my 0 enchants, is there any way I can improve upon my spec, gems, or, anything really? Good criticism would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Medîc3 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Ret trinks: LFR bone link vs Normal Rag trink Which is better? Just had the bone link drop in LFR.Darthelmet6 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Happy Valentines Day! Just as the topic states! Happy Valentines Day my beautiful Paladin brothers/sisters <3Divination9 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Beacon of Light partner or self? I just hit 85 and only need my rings/trinkets and I'll be geared out for PvP. I'm curious if I should be using BoL on myself or my partner (2s) during arenas. If there isn't a definite answer, would one please give example situations of when to BoL myself and when to BoL my partner?Kexy3 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 How To Keep Mana As A Holy Paladin In Arena Just wondering. I do well on mana, just wondering all the things I can do to keep almost 80% of my mana like top holy paladins.Boringheals2 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Need some transmog help here.. OK! well, im trying to find the crystal-type draenei set..the one from the cinematic can anyone lemme know where there from? i think it may be the T4 set...but..yeaRayladin2 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Inquisition Mod Hey all, was just wondering what mod folks use to more easily track their inquisition uptime thanks in advanceRogier24 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 H yorsaj CDs and AoE for ret My guild recently started working on H yorsaj, and I was having a little trouble adjusting to a few things. I've only really been MS ret since mid way through 4.3, so I've been getting used to everything. First question is how do I want to use my CDs for the fight? I initially was trying to do the usual opener CD burst at the start, problem with that is the fact that I don't really get the full uptime before bloods spawn. Then I tried setting my CDs back until the 1st blood phase, but the problem with that is that if we get black I either would waste my zealotry, or I'd ignore the adds until it fell off. Neither really seems optimal. So what do you think is the best way to use the CDs for this fight? and 2nd, when we get black adds, I've been swapping to SoR and using DS. Should I also try to be keeping up censure on the boss? or is it not worth the GCD? And any other tips for this fight would be appreciated.Darthelmet1 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 15, 2012 Worgen Paladins? With Mists of Panderia on the approach, and every other race besides Worgens and Goblins getting a new class, would it be such a stretch to give us Worgen pallys? It's my second favorite class in the game, and I hate I can't play one with my favorite race. Is there a reason lore-wise on why we don't have them? I mean we have Worgen Priest.Redamouss51 Feb 15, 2012
Feb 14, 2012 if you could live in wow? what zone/ where would you settle? for me that's a tough one, i would probably live just out side ironforge by kranos.Stinkyshoses22 Feb 14, 2012
Feb 14, 2012 Heroic DS tanking questions Hi all, So my guild is starting into the realm of Heroic DS content, and I want to see where I stand. Most players I've checked out got w/e dodge/parry was on the gear and went straight mastery til CTC - then stam stacking. I went the route of keep CTC with pure avoidance while gradually reducing mastery. I have a little stam in gems here and there, but not stacking. Will my avoidance stacking be a hinderance vs a higher HP pool in heroics? I usually have basically 20%/20% dodge/parry and 215k hp in our 10m raids (Maintaining CTC). My healers say I'm fine to heal in regulars, but I'd like to be as best prepared as possible. Please share any similar experiences and remedies you may have encountered. Thanks, PogzPogzor8 Feb 14, 2012
Feb 14, 2012 New pally question Do you think I would like the paladin class if I never ever want to heal ever? I am bad at healing and I don't like it so I only have prot and ret to have then. I really liked warrior tanking but mostly because of charge and rend I know the paladin tanking is pbly alot slower. I'm asking because I remember when I used to play when cata first came out I never saw a single ret pally. They were all Prot/holy only. Also might be relivant that I do want to do pvp more than raiding although I will like to do the occasional raid but I like to dps when I raid. Basically I guess I'm asking if ret spec is good in pvp and is allowed to pve or if they're just auto bench?Donaldtrump0 Feb 14, 2012
Feb 14, 2012 Ask Vangaurds There are a lot of vanguards fans out there and I thought it might be helpful to the Ret community to start a thread where we could ask Vanguards his opinions. Hopefully, he will share his experience and knowledge with the group. I'll start off with the first question: I have always heard that the HoJ spec yields more damage than the WoG spec. But since I changed to a WoG spec I'm doing more damage. This leads to the question of whether you live longer to do more damage or do more damage to live longer. What are your thoughts on this?Agincourt8 Feb 14, 2012
Feb 14, 2012 Best Pally Names Saw this in the priest threads and though i would bring it over here. What are the best paladin names you have seen?Loothoar500 Feb 14, 2012
Feb 14, 2012 Prot - Gearing past 378 Excuse me for posting on an alt, but armory is fudged and won't update my characters since I server/faction changed. This character doesn't even exist anymore. I recently started playing again after a year long hiatus and brought a Paladin up to 85 as my new main. I'm currently a guildless protection Paladin that has the best equipment you can get from HoT heroics and justice points, with one valor trinket, and a Soul Drinker I managed to grab from LFR. Everything is properly gemmed(blue gems) and enchanted(+55 stam to chest, best other enchants elsewhere), although even with buffs/elixir/food I'm still missing about 5% from the CTC cap. Even if I resocketted all of my stamina socket bonuses away to mastery gems I doubt I'd hit it. The problem is that at this state in the game, no one is looking for a tank that isn't at least 385. Not in guilds, not in pugs. In order to reach 385+ I only have about three options: 1) LFR every week and hope I get lucky, 2) spend many hours earning about 50k+ gold buying the best crafted tanking stuff on the AH(I've never been good at making gold, I've only got about 6k on me right now and I haven't leveled my profs yet), or 3) start my own guild and pathetically hope to get carried. If there is a 4th option, I'm oblivious to it. I have a Ret set that's equal in ilvl, and perform as well as the gear lets me for the spec as I can play the spec exceptionally well, but there's the issue of being Ret and being undergeared that would prevent me from using that spec to get recruited into either guilds or pugs. The thing is, I know I'm an incredibly exceptional player, but am ultimately held back by my item level and, to a lesser extent, lack of achievements. So, any advice?Twigsie8 Feb 14, 2012
Feb 14, 2012 Heroic ultra as prot So if you take a look at my current gear set, you will notice I am wearing the ret 2 piece and some strength trinkets. Normally I have the heroic morchok shoulders and the mastery trinket from VP and the crappy stam trinket that gives the mastery proc. My question is, do you think what I am wearing right now is viable to tank heroic ultraxion, so that I can boost my dps a little bit? I like to wear this in dungeons and I do decently well, but if I am going to get destroyed then I will go back to my regular set. I am asking because I believe my group will not have enough dps to beat the enrage, and I wan't to maximize my own.Bullstench5 Feb 14, 2012