Mar 9, 2012 swapping specs i leveled solo as a ret paladin. i dual speced into prot. but i have absolutely no idea how to tank, or am thinking of tanking. i do however like the healing side and thought about going ret/holy. but if i do this will i need to get a whole other set of armor to carry around with me before i go into dungeons and raids. everything i have now is geared toward strength. any tips and suggestions would be appreciated.Xcalizorz3 Mar 9, 2012
Mar 9, 2012 I need help with gearing my paladin for pvp Hello all. I'm new to playing a paladin at 85. My main focus is ret PVP and I was wondering what stat should I look to stack.. Should PVP ret be more focused on haste, mastery, crit or what. If anyone knows and wants to offer up some advice it would be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you all, bob sagetDamién1 Mar 9, 2012
Mar 9, 2012 CLCINFO for Ret How well does it work for ret DPS? I'm new to Ret and have trouble keeping priorities in order. is this a good addon or is is cutting DPS off? Any thoughts?Bezuhl3 Mar 9, 2012
Mar 9, 2012 Seal of Command I think blizzard should take a look at moving Seal of Command to the protection tree, make it available as a learnable spell for all paladin spec's, or switch it with Seal of Truth. As a protection paladin I think we don't have any seal that really helps us tank, we have seal of truth which is only useful for single target aggro, and seal of insight for when we need mana or health. But considering paladins are designed as multi target tanks seal of command would help our effectiveness at that. If it was placed as a prot spell the judgement effect could be changed to do damage and reduce the threat of all other members in your party by a small portion. I firmly believe paladins should have a tanking seal and I can't think of a better one to have. Please comment and either agree disagree make suggestions, I would really like to see this come to fruition.Clogale19 Mar 9, 2012
Mar 9, 2012 Sick of DK hand me down armor models in pvp! I hate having the DK boots and belt model as PVP gear on my ret paladin. Why can't we just have our own? Atleast if there is not time to make it right, how bout make DKs use paladin model for belt and feet for a season?Losse10 Mar 9, 2012
Mar 9, 2012 If Taurens can, why not Night elfs? So i guess my question would be is why are Night elfs not allowed to be Paladins. Personally i think it would be cool to have a Nelf equivalent of Sunwalkers. A Paladin core of Nelfs getting thier power from Elune (perhaps Moonwalkers? lol no i kid but seriously i would like to see Nelf Paladins)?Archidan54 Mar 9, 2012
Mar 9, 2012 Leveling pvp Which tree is better for random BG's? Prot or Ret?Synergize1 Mar 9, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 best methods of targeting /macros/pvp ? Are top players using mouseovers for defensive cds? ive been using target of target macros for the longest time and have had issues now and then. So im just looking for ways to up my game and i know targeting issues is the only problem.Dwiegbn7 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 Major Change to Resil. - Mists of Pandaria ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wow. Talk about vanilla... PvE gear for PvP once again? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Devs like the way Resilience works in PvP, and how it gives a nice goal for players looking to progress/upgrade their gear in PvP Resilience is a pretty huge barrier for people who want to start PvPing. Resilience will become a base stat, and will increase a little every time you level. Smash17 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 Crusader Aura Hello everyone, i have a simple question, quite basic, but nobody could ever tell me for sure the answer, it concernes the Crusader Aura. According to the spell, it increases the speed by %20. Ok, so far so good. That means that if i have a ground mount, instead of going 100%, i will be going at 120% Now lets suppose i have a flying mount, that goes at 270%. What will be my flying speed? If we use maths, there could be 2 answers, 290%, or 324%. 270% + 20% = 290% 270% + 270*0.2= 324% Its simple, i dont know if you are INCREASING YOUR FLIGHT SPEED 20% of you walking speed, or if you are just INCREASING YOUR FLIGHT SPEED 20%. I know its a stupid matter, but i have quite a lot of curiosity. When im in my 310% mount and i activate my aura, i clearly notice im going faster, but if im only adding 20% it would be a change from 310% to 330% and i dont even know if you would be able to notice that. But in the other hand, if its the other way, i would be going at 372% and that sounds too much...Ksi4 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 Addon UI and Action bars Hello everybody, I would love to know if anyone knows the name of the addon interface and action bars that Strifium uses. Help please ... Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 Need pvp macros. Im sure i can go google this and find a bunch of good macros. but if there are any that you guys find useful PLZ. send em my way. Im ret btw.Coehabamba1 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 vs Shadow Priests I've been hearing over and over from folks that when I hit 85, no matter the gear levels, a shadow priest will 'flawless' kill me. Is there any truth in this, or is it just a lack of skill on the part of the paladins these people have been seeing get exploded messily? What should I watch out for, and what kind of tactics should I use facing these inevitable shadow priests that doesn't involve sticking my head between my legs and kissing my backside g'bye?Valcarde11 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 A little help on HM Ultra? Hi pallies :D currently my guild is attempting HM Ultra and we have kinda hit a brick wall in terms of our dps. Our ret pally finds his dps rather lacking compared to the rest and I would like to try help him out. Only improvement I can find is him lacking the head enchant but that wont push his dps up by heaps. Any help or advice would be appreciated :D below ish his armoury profile and the logs for our attempts on HM ultra. Thanks in advance.\ Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 word of glory STILL op.. 3 games in a row now against 3 different rets they have landed well over 100k crit word of glories on their partners in a double dps set up...doing more quadruple my healers healing....yet also bursting with wings and zealotry for double me and HIS partners dps combined...obviously not over powerd though and the paladin community will rage at my post and say its justifiedDarkstep25 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 Lightweave or Darkglow? Whats the better choice? I just hit 500 tailoring and cannot decideEstelle1 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 Good duo partner with a prot paly? I'm wondering what a good 2nd box character might be to go along with my prot paly. Mainly for running old dungeons/raids. I've narrowed it down to warlock, hunter, mage, or priest, any input on those as a duo partner?Ivora0 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 MoP and TV? So I was looking at the new talents for paladins (Knowing there not finallized) and I was looking over some of there abilities. I noticed that TV (Templar's Verdict) Now costs 3 holy power and only does 165% (Atm is does 351% with 3 holy power). I hope this changes or i'll be sad!Interactive4 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 Glyphs for H Spine Has anyone ran the numbers on which glyph would be better for H spine? Only worried about the tendon burn phase. I'm assuming the Glyph of CS will out perform Exo glyph because of the random nature of our procs, and exo being a ways down our priority list with the t13 2pc, but never hurts to ask!Peejay1 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 [Prot] Any Suggestions to my gearing? I am trying to figure out different tactics for Yor'sahj Heroic. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to live through all the stuff he throws at me, the void bolt stacks, and all the other magic damage he tosses at me. As for my glyphs, I do switch to Divine Protection, and Focused shield for bosses, I just prefer to have my Avengers Shield hit three targets. Leave any Suggestions you have for me, I need it =DZhaild1 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 Need help with a PvP macro-- Hi, I'm looking for help to make a particular macro for PvP. I'm fairly positive it can be made, I just haven't figured it out yet since I don't know a lot about macros. What I'd like is for a button to cast Templar's Verdict normally, but as soon as I mouseover an ally it turns into Word of Glory, and then reverts back to TV until the CD is off. Is this possible? Any help is appreciated.Maeltum2 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 trinkets So I just got the eye trinket from LFR and am wondering which trinket would best be replaced, either apparatus or varo'thens brooch.Smartlili1 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 Open Libram XIX: Judgement Roulette. ... Inception of OL Post, better known as the "grandpa" thread: Open Libram I: Paladin Weekend Edition - Open Libram II: Seal of Hairflip - Open Libram III: Clad in the Light - Open Libram IV: Edge (Word) of Glory- Open Libram V: Of Flipping Tables and Hair - Open Libram VI: My Little Pally - Open Libram VII: Hammer of What - Open Libram VIII: Turkey Edition: Open Libram IX: Go Go Pally Rangers!: Open Libram X: Tirion Fordring Broke My Heart: Open Libram XI: Deck the Halls with Tentacles: Open Libram XII: The Pally Puff Girls!: Open Libram XIII: The Rowdy Ret Boys!: Open Libram XIV: Ret Light District: Open Libram XV: Year of the Dragonslayers: Open Libram XVI: Have Seal, Will Judge: Open Libram XVII: 2/02/2012 - Judgement Day: Open Libram XVIII: You Are Already Nerfed managed to get deleted on it's final page. Open Libram on Pageface: Libram Ponydins as drawn by Lobster: Mar 8, 2012
Mar 8, 2012 tank help Yes, it's another one of THOSE threads. Tanking is just an off spec for me. Healing will always be my main, but I'd still like to maximize my tanking ability as much as I can. Mostly I only tank 5 mans. Occasionally LFR and there's a possibility that I might have to sub in as a tank for reg DS occasionally, if a tank can't make it or we can't or don't want to pug one. Mostly looking for some people more knowledgeable than myself to take a look at gear/gems/enchants and see if anything jumps out as incredibly stupid.Jaxzer2 Mar 8, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 White chest plate for 'mog Hi, anyone know of a white chest plate or possibly a sleeveless chest where i can just add a white shirt too it transmog purpous!Dwiegbn2 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Holy 2v2 Arena question Me and my rogue friend have been doing good in arenas, but against healer/dps teams like us we always end up in a stalemate, unable to kill the other team but able to stay alive pretty easily without going oom.. Goes on forever, we usually just leave eventually. How do we prevent this?Feladas2 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Prot Pve Hey dudes, just wondering if I can get some direction here with my gear. If someone could take a look at it and give me an idea of where to go from here, that'd be greeaaatt.Deans2 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Authentic Armor sets/weapons for transmog Most authentic pally transmog sets/weapons/shields. Just need some ideas, new to paladin :)Steâk10 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 i need simple lvl 85 advice i hit 85 and started an alt. then i discovered there's a lot more to do after 85. i looked online some say do hyjal quests, others say twilight hylands. i was hoping some fellow 85 paladins would check my character give some tips and what to do and where to go. thanks for any help. i want to be the best ret pally i can be.Xcalizorz6 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Coming back with a pally I just started playing again after a while. My pally is 85. I enjoy pvp the most and i was wondering what spec would me most fun to play. I enjoy dps, but if i am going to pull of dps in pvp, i would like to be a big hitter. If not i don't mind healing. between the two which one has the biggest impact with arena?Krsh3 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Expertise hard cap changed? I know in the past the expertise hard cap has been 26 but i am at 26 and it says i still have a 7% chance to be parried was the cap changed or something or has it always been like this and just not worth worrying about the parry and i just never noticed?Garlorik4 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Stam stacking or ctc? Hi I am sure this question has come up before. I have read the above post on tanking however I have a more specific question. My guild has begun raiding DS 10. I am currently at ctc cap 102.4 and the main tank is also at ctc cap. I would like to know if it would be intelligent for me to go stam stacking so that I could tank more magical fights and he could do the melee fights?Wastedyears4 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Kings vs. Might? Ok so in all 5 man dungeons i run its almost always with other people. when i run with my guild master he is always nagging me to run Kings instead of might. If i'm the only pally and there are no druids what should i be running? Obviously my mains a pallyHullischen4 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Weapon Envy. I'v been playing this Paladin since Blood elves were released, and over the many years of dungeons or quests with Shape change I'v noticed that in the hands of the other races, my 2 hand sword is not only Always bigger, but Thicker too. and I suppose the Gist of it is, I want a Bigger weapon! I wanna say WoW! that 2hander is so big I need to life with my knees. but in all seriousness, if you could look at the size of the weapons in say a Humans hands relative to the size of the weapons in a blood elves hands could you possibly consider adjusting our size ?Tyrial3 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 New talents! I'm Pumped! I saw the updated talents for MoP for the first time today and I AM PUMPED! I'm so excited that when you look at the ret tree it looks as if rets are going to be effective and interesting once again! I know it depends on how other classes do aswell, but there just seems to be so many interesting aspects to the new ret tree.... awh i'm in love! Valitrix2 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 What should my next piece be? As a PvP Retribution Pally, what should my next Conquest item be? Is it better to replace my PvE pieces or the crafted PvP blues (I'd prefer to keep the 2pc T13 though). Inspect me and tell me what you all think; thanks!Xayenne1 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Pally transmog advice, ASAP please.. As of the reset today, i can get my cata weapon. And i know i'm really late compared to everyone else, but i'm currently just extremely casual in arena. Anyway i was wondering what weapon to get! the 2H Sword, the mace, or the axe! I haven't got the set yet, but i plan on using the Burning Rage set, (containing the ragesteel shoulders so you can find the set..) for transmog and would like a weapon transmog to match. Which of the cata weapons would have a the best transmog for this set and what weapon would i transmog it with.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.Valitrix0 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 7, 2012 Prot PvP? Is it viable to be able to PvP as prot, or am I wasting my time? I recently got this character to 85, and was thinking of going Holy for PvP to heal, but I am not a fan of being a healer in a BG with no pvp gear. I like to tank for PvE, and was thinking could I just stay prot for PvP? Is it even worth trying?Hartaroko17 Mar 7, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 Need help figuring out my DPS Hello Fellow Paladins, Although I dont think my dps is Terrible for my ilvl, I believe there is lots of room for improvement, I am seeing other ret paladins doing much, much more dps then I am at the same ilvl. I Don't believe it is my PC, I run 30-50 FPS on most fights, and my Latency rarely hits higher then 110ms (home and world). Firstly, the link to my toon on armoury: i have chosen to Reforge Haste > Crit. And the links to my last four raid nights that I was able to attended: For my DPS add ons, I am using CLCRet, Powerding, and omnicc. current CLCRet Priority set as: Normal: cs jhp inqr inqa tvdp exoud tvhp exo how hw cons Zeal: cs inqr inqa tvdp exoud tvhp exo how jhp hw cons I thank you for all future help.Duilin0 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 Holy Paladin Help... New to being a paladin for Holy Spec. I am going to be doing end game raiding and have no idea how to heal properly. Any help would be greatly appreciated or any MODs. What are the main heals? What's the rotations? Any links? Thanks!Pezto2 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 My mog set hey i was just wondering what you guys thought of my Shattered Sun transmog set **edit** i just got my RED set together What Do you Guys Think <<click the pictureSkittlesrock10 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 paladin pvp profession I'm making a paladin in hopes to pvp. I read the stickied ret guide and it says not to pick JC as a prof... So I'm wondering what would be a good profession? Thank you in advance.Superhot13 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 High end soloing as prot - gear discussion So this topic is as titled: a discussion about gearing, speccing, reforging, and gemming for the most efficient soloing. Recently, I took a fancy to soloing raid/dungeon content as high up the totem pole as possible. At first, I decided to just go with a full dps gear, 7 pt holy spec and did ok in naxx/icc (first 2 bosses), but it was clear that stats like hit, expertise, mastery, and gimmicky trinkets would be needed for some fights. So I've set out to create the perfect soloing set out of ilevel 384-397 gear that accomplishes the following (in order of importance): Hit cap (8%) High amount of expertise (40+ w/o sov glyph) Sufficient mastery Enough dodge/parry to get within 5-8% of CTC Strength & crit to do sufficient dps I've discovered that its imperative to hit with as many white numbers as possible in damage heavy fights because it keeps your SoI proccing to keep up with damage and makes it so time spent dpsing boss (if there are adds) is put to more use. The second part to this is gearing: What sort of set bonuses/items should I be looking for? I was thinking: 2 pc ret & 2 pc prot t13 souldrinker some sort of absorb trinket mending or landslide on weapon, not sure which would be more effective. So what have you solo'd and what did you find most critical to your success?Stafoo3 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 Pally or priest so im kind of torn betwwen the two ill be pvping mostly but ill be doing pve while leveling so wich ones better for pvp and pve ty fore your inputBopp2 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 Who's your favorite paladin? Besides myself, my favorite paladin has got to be Ringman from The Intercontinental Union of Disgusting Characters (c.f ). Sure, he's a wimpy 9th-level by-the-book paladin, but he led a billion centaurs to freedom in the 2nd sequel!Bedevere39 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 Are we paladins screwed in Mists of Pandaria? While some of the stuff paladins get in the new talent calculator-thing-a-ma-jig, are kinda neat but I feel compared to what Warlocks might be getting. and with the new Rogue poison that stuns at 5 stacks and god (and or) Blizz, knows whatever the other classes are getting. It seems like the paladins have taken a kick to the groin in the next expansion. Though I am speaking from a PvP point of view and the talent calculator-thing-a-ma-jigs might be changed and such, I still fear the worst. And yet people continue to say we're a faceroll class (and i always disagree with that but I'm not going into anymore detail than that). I fear this will screw paladins over. "Skill determines how good a player is at pvp" but since it's been unbalanced as hell its hard to develop skill against Rogues, Frost mages, or anything that brings you down to half health in 2 seconds. Now you might be thinking, "Great, another noob wanting to be op cause he sucks". No, i'd like things to be balanced but since that isn't happening for quite some time... I'd at least would like to stand a better chance at fighting a Rogue with endless stuns and a Frost Mage that can cc the hell out of you, or any other class that can bring me down to half health in 2 seconds forcing me to waste my bubble or lay on hands (the abilities everyone hates...). Give me your honest opinions about this thread, whether you agree with me or not doesn't bother me. And if some of you don't care trolls are also welcome to troll your hearts out... Btw, Congrats on reading this far, trolololol.Xalefor15 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 2pc T13. Totally different ball game, chief. So, this was my gear progression for my Paladin. Dinged 85, left him alone for a couple weeks. Full S11 Ruthless/Cataclysmic in 5 days. Bored for a couple days. Decided to do Hour of Twilight heroics, dabble in some PvE. Maxed Valor points after a few hours. Got bored, queued for LFR. Picked up 2pc T13 and some boots the first time through, no wipes. Aaaaand I'm never taking this 2pc T13 off. Until MoP gets here and Judgement granting Holy Power is baseline. Seriously, WHY IS THIS NOT BASELINE NOW? Best thing ever. /coolstoryProjectiletv13 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 Holy Radience Why nerf it to a 2 seconds? I can understand why they removed that gay little holy sprint with it but why 2 seconds for a almost 3 second cast? lolBrutalmaz2 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 Switching to holy at 85 I have been going ret this entire time but I want to heal at 85 what is the best way to get holy gear besides buying on ah?Azarious3 Mar 6, 2012
Mar 6, 2012 Venoma's Prot Pally PVP Guide This guide contains alot of information from the now famous 'Taugrim's Prot Pally PVP Guide' and highlights the most important parts of that guide and contains some changes and additions. First off - hold the flames. Some credentials: I have reached 2200 on my Enhancement Shaman and Feral Druid last season - I stopped playing those toons and leveled up and focused on my Pally this season. Contrary to popular belief, I have reached ~1900 as Prot this season. Disclaimer: Prot PVP has issues. You will NOT be reaching 2200 or above. You may get mocked by many for trying. You are not an ideal RBG FC. The good news: 1850 is possible by experienced players and 1700 should be possible by average players. Melting faces in normal BGs and duels is almost guaranteed. First let's clear up some misconceptions: 1. "I only tickle healers and can't put out any serious damage or burst" Wrong. With the offensive spec [discussed later] you can put out serious damage and with the right macro and timing you can dish out some serious burst [discussed later]. 2. "Prot has !@#$ survivability" Wrong. Prot has very decent defensive cooldowns and many of them. It's healing capabilities are average - you will not be offhealing as much as a Ret, but WoG can still be a very powerful heal. I strongly recommend reading the Taugrim's original guide - I will not be rewriting all of it. I will now highlight the most important parts as well as the changes I've made in order to adapt to the WoG nerf. -Mechanics- One of the common reasons Prot Pally's complain about their lackluster dps is because they use Hammer of the Righteous as their main Holy Power (HP) builder. Even with the glyph it is light-years behind Crusader Strike. Use Crusader Strike as your main HP builder - only use Hammer of the Righteous to stop people from capping flags. Use Avenger's Shield whenever it's not on CD - Taugrim discusses this and gives ample explanation as to why. To summarize: it procs Sacred Duty {100% chance for Shield of the Righteous to proc} and is a significant part of our dps, as well as only having a less than 15sec CD - I haven't worked this out but Crusader Strike has a 20% chance to reset the CD so I'm estimating that the average CD on Avenger's Shield would be somewhere around 13seconds. Shield of the Righteous (SotR) is our HP consuming dps ability - when used with Sacred Duty buff it hits for significant damage. There is an issue here: do you use SotR without Sacred Duty buff or not? Sacred Duty will be up ALOT - your Judgement and Avenger's Shield have a chance to proc this - however, you may still find yourself with 3 HP and the buff missing. First off, make sure to have Power Auras [discussed later] so you can actually track the buff without too much hassle. Let's discuss a few scenarios: 1. You have 3 HP. You have Sacred Duty buff. Use SotR. 2. You have 3 HP. You don't have Sacred Duty buff. You've just hit Crusader Strike. You don't have Grand Crusader buff {Reset's CD on Avenger's Shield and causes it to generate 1 HP}. Judgement and/or Avenger's Shield is off CD. Don't use SotR. Use Judgement and/or Avenger's Shield and between the two you have a very high chance of getting Sacred Duty up (If both are off CD then 75% chance in fact. Both have a 0.5 probability of generating or not-generating the buff and they occur independently. So the chance that neither will proc the buff is 0.5*0.5=0.25) 3. You have 3 HP. You don't have Sacred Duty buff. Crusader Strike is off CD. Grand Crusader buff is up. Use SotR. It still has a chance to crit and even if it doesn't it will pump out decent damage. Because Crusader Strike and Grand Crusader buff are up you will regain those HP back very quickly. Word of Glory - yes, the 20sec CD sucks and is severely limiting. Use WoG whenever it's not on CD and you or your partner needs a heal. In fact, even when you are on 90-95% health and WoG is up use it because of the Guarded by the Light talent {WoG overheals create a protective bubble on you}. That + Eternal Glory {30% chance for WoG HP to be refunded} means there is no reason not to use it whenever it's up. Holy Radiance is a nice 'mitigation' heal - as Prot you have fantastic mana regen so once again, there is no reason not to use this whenever you are below 90% health. Do NOT forget to use Hand of Sacrifice, Divine Guardian, Hand of Protection on your partners / teammates. Paladins have and always will be a support class in arena (holy excluded of course). Taugrim's guide goes into alot of the other mechanics in much more detail and I strongly recommend you read his entire guide.Venoma46 Mar 6, 2012