Feb 10, 2012 I have a few questions I have read the sticky at the top of the page, and have a few questions: Please disregard my gear its my pvp set, its horribly gemmed and enchanted. 1) Is there a point when mastery becomes better than haste ever? Or is that just a misunderstanding on my part? 2) Is the badge trinket worth it? it seems very lackluster to me, i am currently using Fiery Quintessence and Seal of the Seven SignsKobebeef4 Feb 10, 2012
Feb 10, 2012 Valor Points Question I was looking around and maybe it's here and I didn't look hard enough but I just got enough to buy my first item, is there any item I should get first just because it's harder to get later? Or just buy what item I am lacking in the most (trinket right now). Thank you and if there is a thread to look at sorry.Ethret5 Feb 10, 2012
Feb 10, 2012 Raiding help please so currently im raiding ret and im figuring out my base stats. without looking at my gear can you tell me if my stats are fine. im worried about my expertise currently. im at 7 but im at 17 when i use Seal of Truth....Edasurc1 Feb 10, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Trinket choice So, fellow paladins, I currently have three trinkets, Bone-Link Fetish, Creche of the Final Dragon and Varo'then's Brooch. I also have enough VP to buy Rotting Skull. I'm wondering which two I should be using since I have no clue. :3Reti2 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 So...what now? With a few lucky drops in LFR I was finally able to hit avoidance cap. However now that I have, I am not positive of what my goals are. Am I correct to assume that right now I focus on stamina while still making the 102.4 avoidance, or something as abstract as hit/expertise to improve my threat? Following with that, are there any mods that assist with gemming / reforging and still keep the avoidance cap? It's a bit annoying to buy X Gem or reforge choice just to find its a bit too much and have to respend to reaadjust. Any help would be appreciated.Stronghorn4 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Hit Cap for Prot I'm not sure if I should be striving for the melee hit cap (8%) or not. I am finding Prot Paladins in higher end guilds only have 2% at the most. Could someone clear this up for me? Thanks.Dragonette6 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Retired ret pally coming back into the fold.. Played ret from late vanilla through the start of cata. I've been prot since then. Just would ask a veteran retadin to take a quick look over my gear. Also I have the raid finder 2h sword off Madness, if that's an upgrade. Did some preliminary testing on a dummy and Ataraxis seems to be about 1k higher (Don't know if this is due to lucky DP procs or what.) Besides the enchants, whats missing? And is it normal for there to be pauses in the rotation? Oh! and is consecration worth using? TL:DR, Check mah gears please.Thorrin5 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Leveling + PvP + Prot With the removal of Vengeance from PvP is there a point to playing Prot in battlegrounds anymore? I have tried off and on with almost every bracket to be Prot but I don't have anywhere near enough damage to be remotely viable anymore. Granted, I am aware that I am not built for damage output but rather survivability but I used to have both (more or less). Oddly enough, I have almost as much health as Ret and can kill almost anyone with a single thee-holy power Templar's Verdict or Crusader Strike in some cases. TL:DR: Is it worth trying to play Prot in PvP while leveling (or at all) anymore?Aruzar3 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Gurthalak or H experimental speciman Like the title states im looking for my ret pally gurthalak or H experimental slicer. Which one would net me more dpsPankcake7 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 @Lobster2 I grow more and more jelly of your good standings with the paladins. Hopefully, i will have enough valor to get a new belt and get a rng drop next week for shoulders. All the meanwhile converting Justice to Honor to stack up for pvp gear as ret. Haven't even touched pvp on this toon since 70 =[ Rock those muttonchops!Rhydun5 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 @Lobster When I see you and your 2200/heroic gear I die a little inside. :(Terenar20 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Prot paladin - Some moar DPS. So, my other paladin is now a tank, I geared her from Holy main spec to Prot Mainspec in 4 days using LFR, Valor Points, Justice Points, and HoT heroics, and now she has a pretty decent set, DS ready, even tanked Zon'ozz, Yor'sahj, and Morchok on normal. And now she's CTC capped. So, obviously I need to get a lot more stam, reduce mastery as I gain parry/dodge while balancing CTC, but I have a question about something: Considering a few fights where avoidance really isn't that big of a deal, like Yor'sahj, how wrong would it be to use a DPS trinket like eye of unmaking and a weapon with Landslide or things like that, while maintaining CTC cap? I know extra damage isn't a bad thing, but is it worth the loss in extra stam and mitigation and such? My healers are really good and they didn't have any problems keeping me up. Maeltum2 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Prot pally help Ok, just a question for the other prot's out there. looking at my gear tell me if u think theres anything u think i should change, and why, and answer this. Im going for mastery over any other stat as i should but i am running into issues with the 397 gear being parry heavy and causing me to lose the nice zen area of me having my dodge and parry close as i can, the whole diminishing returns, however because I have high mastery and am trying to get away from the parry my total avoidance is sitting at 102.91, with just kings and mastery food. Now since im over the 102.4 cap should I just be content with what i have, and leave everything as is, or change stuff. Im thinking i have room for improvement just not sure where. Do i care that i have a 2.5 percent difference between dodge and parry since im avoidance capped anyways? Could I prob benifit from maybe getting a little more stam from gems and lowering my mastery some since I get raid buffs that will help me out with that? I want to be avoidance capped be4 i start stacking any stam. Am I going about this the wrong way. I thinking im doing good, but want to see if i can do better and figured you guys/gals can help me out. thank you for your time, input, and criticism.Canzz10 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Prot gear help needed My gear is decent and I think I've come to the end of the line finally on prot gear to buy with my VP. I plan on getting the 384 tier chest piece and crafting the BS bracers. So, the last piece I'm looking to buy is the gloves. I did some simming with Rawr and I'm wondering if I'm crazy or it's just wrong, but it shows Grimfist Crushers being better for me than Gauntlets of Feathery Blows. I know that the amount of mastery is very nice on the crushers, but I'm not sold. Any recommendations? My raiding extent will go no further than Raid Finder so really it's either 384 tier or my valor choices. Another side question: How good is the 4pc tier bonus? I'm not specced into DG and I suspect that's a huge error on my behalf. Is it worth going for if I'm using 384 tier?Malicia8 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Macro I don't even know if it's possible, but is there a macro that will cast judgment on Focus's target while maintaining current target or switching back? Is this even possible? I'm terribad at changing targets to judgeKelice15 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 trying to find out some info I am in need of some info as to where I can find the best in slot list for a pally tank...anyone that can help would be greatGrandkeesdel2 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 Gems/Chants/etc. Ret Paladin PvP, What gems for what colors, what enchants on what, and where to buy any if possible, what belt buckle should i get, what weapon chain, what flasks, potions, and etc. whould i use?Vertify2 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 i miss ret back when it was fun to play back in vanilla and yes im being serious i loved playing ret back in vanilla im not sure if everyone but me failed at ret but i remember being level 54 and killing lvl 57 anything that didnt wear plate in 3 shots ret nowadays is just so face roll its lost its fun and really isnt challenging. am i the only one who misses vanilla ret?Velfair35 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 9, 2012 My Ret Pvp DPS I'm not doing enough damages in 2's or Rated BG's than I should be. Any pro ret Pvp in here that can give me any advice? on what wrong with my toonNíkkõ13 Feb 9, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Which is better? I have raid finder creche of the final dragon, normal eye of the unmaking, and raid finder bone-link fetish, which two should i be using i see a lot of paladins using creche and eye but most things i read say that i should use eye and bone linkPunkbusta9 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 hows my gear? hows my gear? and if bad where can i get better items?Chicmagnet0 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Retribution in its current state and fixes Hail my fellow paladins, i've noticed from playing around with retribution that it seems to lack sustained dps(especially in PVP scenarios) Is anyone else finding retribution's damage being a little comparative to whacking a tank with a wet sock?. If you agree and feel you could make some changes to positively effect Retribution, what would those changes be? a few ideas of mine.. more will be added later, and i will be posting notable suggestions here. - ideas - 1.Swap Denounce and Clarity of Purpose's Spots in the holy tree. 2. Base templar's verdict/crusader strike off Attack power as well as weapon damage 3. Change seal of truth so that the stacks increase your Crusader strike and templar's verdict damage(alternative to 2) 4. Glyph of crusader strike could be changed, so that it has an additional effect, or a completely new one. 5. glyph of ascetic crusader 6. Sanctity of battle removed / changed. - explanation- 1. 0.5s cast time does not benefit prot or retribution very much if at all. (the only cast-time i can see being viable would be flash heals during bubble or panic scenarios.) and the denounce effect makes sense on a paladin, you are a "Templar" of sorts, and preventing criticals seems to be a very Paladinny thing to do. 2. Being based off weapon damage has its good and bad sides, it means you're always limited by ILVL of the weapon, which means it's hard to become overpowered unless the % gets into some crazy number like 700%, i definitely feel Templar's Verdict should have some sort of Scaling with Attack power, as it is our Main combo point nuke, and it Should be doing sustained damage. 3. i definitely feel there should be some more importance to getting SOT Stacks up in our rotation, right now it increase judgement by a hefty amount, but the only melee effectiveness it has is the % weapon damage talent and built in effect, while these are nice. they should be stronger for us to be in line with other dps classes. 4. I feel we should be leaning away from haste as we've turned into more of a mastery reliant spec (in pvp as well as pve) here's my suggestion for Glyph of Crusader Strike "Increases the damage of crusader strike by 8% and crusader strike adds 2 stacks of seal of truth when used." 5. Glyph of the Ascetic Crusader could be changed to reduce the cooldown of crusader strike by 0.5 seconds, mana isnt really an issue for us unless we spam consecration or heals. 6. Sanctity of battle has been quite an average talent this entire expansion with stats deflating due to scaling, haste is not very good to stack, as a result i feel this talent should be changed to something more like "Decreases the cooldown of crusader strike by 0.25/0.5/0.75 secs" Remember, this is just Theorycrafting and speculation, none of these suggestions are guaranteed to make it into the game, and opinions all vary. -further notes- * I think paladin talents and glyphs should lean away more from crits and procs, and more towards constant damage, the recent judgement buff is a huge thing for us right now, and is much appreciated. Sanctity of battle is a good talent, but without the 9% haste from holy and a Hellll of a lot of haste (about 20%) it's nowhere near as good as mastery. *it's also good to note that most of our attacks do "holy" damage, now some people don't understand why this is so good.. there is no such thing as "holy resistance" so in other words, we use a unique element which cannot be resisted, this makes us exceptionally useful versus other plate wearers, if not Strong versus them, at least Viable in the present patch. will be adding more as i think of it / is suggested.. Post away! no trolling or flaming please, keep it clean thanks! :DDelstrasza24 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Ret Pally Macro (Inquisition and Zealotry) I'm currently leveling my ret pally and I made Inquistion and Zealotry combined into one macro, so whenever divine purpose procs, I hit one button to active them both. Is this a good idea or no? At 85, I want to mainly focus on PVP so will this macro be reasonable for pvp as well?Admirwarlock10 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 What should I get for Valor? Coming up on getting 2200 valor again and wanted to know what would be the best thing for me to upgrade?Syronite4 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Looking to maybe start a pally Hey I wanted to start a Pally and hopefully max him out. I was just curious, are Pally's fun at 85? Because it is really between a pally and a DK any suggestions? Any help would be nice!Mozziger5 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Raid finder Gurthalak VS T1 PVP Weapon. I got my 397 PVP weapon today. I never leave home without a weapon chain on my PVP weapon, so I was thinking about throwing Landslide on my 390 Gurthalak for PVE, but I think the extra constant damage and secondary stats would outweigh a landslide enchant and horrendously low tentacle proc rate. Has anyone actually done some math on the subject and can slide that fancy pants information my way?Turaven2 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Inquisition Just one question, Inquisition does increase the damage we deal by our Mastery? As far as I noticed there isn't any increase in the damage of our Mastery damage when I tested out on a dummy. Correct me if I`m wrong. Inquisition 1 Holy Power Instant cast Consumes all Holy Power to increase your Holy Damage by 30%. Lasts 4 sec per charge of Holy Power consumed. Hand of Light Your Templar's Verdict, Crusader Strike, and Divine Storm deal 0.0% additional damage as Holy damage. Each point of Mastery increases the damage by an additional 2.1%. Edit : I`m using Recount and MSBT to track my damage done.Xävîs2 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 [BUG] Pursuit of Justice Recently while running battlegrounds I have found that my holy power is running some what short I have a 31/5/7 build with points in Blessed Life and Pursuit of Justice to build holy power. So when I'm in battlegrounds I spend about 70% of my encounters somehow stunned, snared, knocked down of feared and so Holy Power should be full nearly all the time per PoJ. However, I started to notice that I very rarely build HP from PoJ from any of the applicable CC. So I began to test what was happening by dueling my warrior partner and found that BL worked every 8 seconds like clockwork. However, it seems that PoJ works on the same clock. This is fine I guess other then it’s a waist of several talents to get to. Also it does not state that it occurs once every 8 seconds either. Is this working as intended? Has anyone else noticed this effect? Avigdor2 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 l2heal (pvp) hey guys, i've been ret all the way to 85 and gotten full pvp gear and want to try a new aspect of the pally, namely healing. i just wanted to know if it's easy to pick up (or fun for that matter) and if theres a general rotation i should stick to in pvp /any mods that will save my !@#. also are you really as indestructible as you seem when im trying to dps you down? thank ya!Arkhammer2 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Bring Shokadins back? Would anyone else like to see the rebirth of shokadins in Mists of Pandora? I mean come on they were hands down one of the most fun classes I have had the good fortune to play with imo....a nice break from the hum drum, melee dps or ranged spell casters, a true hybrid in their own right. I think the mists of pandora already has the potential for it, they just have to make a few minor adjustments. Lets get enough people on it and they might consider it!!!!Deyadrin10 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Paladin UI Evening all! I'm coming to you asking you to post up your paladin UI's, also when posting yours please note the addons your using. Feel free to throw in which addons you consider a MUST when it comes to paladins! I will start with mine which is very simple (just came back from a break and starting to get back into the game) (Yes this is from the night we had the DPS bug, and no i'm not that pro!) Addons: Recount, DBM, Atlas Termanology18 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 My Transmog Set Let me know what you think! I'm working on getting a tanking 1h so I can replace this mace with Ghoulslicer, in the set. I love it. I call it "Scary Tank." Lmao.ßadpally4 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Open Libram XVI: Have Seal, Will Judge ... Inception of OL Post, better known as the "grandpa" thread: Open Libram I: Paladin Weekend Edition - Open Libram II: Seal of Hairflip - Open Libram III: Clad in the Light - Open Libram IV: Edge (Word) of Glory- Open Libram V: Of Flipping Tables and Hair - Open Libram VI: My Little Pally - Open Libram VII: Hammer of What - Open Libram VIII: Turkey Edition: Open Libram IX: Go Go Pally Rangers!: Open Libram X: Tirion Fordring Broke My Heart: Open Libram XI: Deck the Halls with Tentacles: Open Libram XII: The Pally Puff Girls!: Open Libram XIII: The Rowdy Ret Boys!: Open Libram XIV: Ret Light District: Open Libram XV: Year of the Dragonslayers: Libram Ponydins as drawn by Lobster: Feb 8, 2012
Feb 8, 2012 Dear Ghostcrawler: For 4.3 and transmoging, I remade my favorite weapon of all time, Nightfall. It had me reminiscing about the "good old days," but also got me thinking. I loved being an offtank before the great nightfall nerf of 2.4.2; I had a beautiful prot/ret hybrid spec that let me stay alive long enough to round up a few adds, and then swap out weapons and provide amazing utility for my raid. My personal dps was pretty bad, but I really loved that my role wasn't to put out big numbers myself, but to boost the whole raid's DPS. You see, here where I have to make a confession, I suck at this game. I love it, but I'm not the best. I'm weak as dps, unresponsive as a healer, and clueless as a tank. I try, but I've just never been that good. I tried to make up for not being very good by being smart, and for a while there, I was able to bring enough utility to make up for my shortcomings. I'm not asking for a return to those "good old days," but I wanted to ask, in the era of "Bring the player, not the class," how bad players like me can make up for their shortcomings? Is there a place for a utility player in the World of Warcraft today?Eleazzar2 Feb 8, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Stats priority 3/3 Speed + JotP + Wrath(5%) + DFavor + 777 haste = 5th holy radiance ticks after that, i just stack more haste or invest in mastery or crit ? ... Valkye6 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 you guys remember old-school McHammar? I'm sure some of you remember the old McHammar on Tich . . . the reck-bomber, the protection pally in pre-TBC who inspired many of us to play a pally and go Reckoning when it held 4 charges. It sure inspired me back in the day. Is he still a menace to horde society these days? Or did his pvp days die when Reckoning was changed?Kraniel5 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Am I ready for DS normal? We're getting ready to start up some DS normals, and I'm going to be healing. I wanted to be sure I'm up to snuff; I'm nervous. Thanks!Zakitake5 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Good Holy Pally Spirit Trinkets In 4.2, I reforged about half of my gear with spirit to crit, because I was quite good at getting off my judgements so I had nearly unlimited mana. But this patch since our judge was nerfed and spirit became a bigger stat, which trinket do you guys think I should get that provides lots of spirit. I do not do raids, or LFR, but I will random heroic once in a while and I have around 1000 valor atm. I am 99% pvp.Derredin4 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Vanguards Ret Dk Priest Nao Qualifiers Champi Some good clips I found that I had broadcasted if anyone missed them! But you'll have to do a lot of forwarding through the que wait time. Wish ques were quicker! Was queing on my rank 1 team on BG9 in preparation for the NAO Qualifiers. Skip to 8min 30 for action. Click on my channel to find all part 1-8Vanguards9 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Old SoC Proc?? It's been so long I can't remember what it used to do that caused folks to scream nerf. Was something like it hit for 3 times on every swing or something?? I just remember it being the first time that ret pallies were taken serious, but also looked at as easy mode until they nerf/changed it. And didn't divine storm used to bre extreamly good also? Phew, it's been so long I hardly remember what it was like when wow first came out and started going through changes. Was kind of like the good'ol days when shaman would put on a big 2h and if windfury proc'd, it would send ya packing.Xate4 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Help my dps! Hello all, i have recently put together a ret set and started dpsing again. I would love to know what i am doing wrong and how to fix it. im not sure if my armory shows is or not but i currently have the 403 gurthy. I am looking for constructive criticism. Look over my tree, gear, gems, chants, forges, and everything else you feel would be an issue and HELP ME! Just for an example, i am including a log Any help that anyone can offer is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks in advance, HashHasheeshish3 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Are Paladins the worst tanks? My friends are saying from all the tank classes, paladins are the worst. I ask them why, and they responds that they takes the most damage ever, and I also asks the healers in my random heroics "am I hard to heal?" and they says "somewhat, but manageable". I know my gear sucks, but I was just wondering, are we the worst tanks?Iak25 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Eye for an Eye Vs. Ultraxion Does it work?Andokas11 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Holy Paladin PvP Guide? Is there a Holy Pally PvP Guide anywhere? My bro's about to hit 85 and tanked instances - but now doing a hard switch to being a Holy Pally in 3s and BGs.Azinnoth1 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Holy trinkets I just started to heal with my pally and i am having mana issues. With the ease of lfr should i invest in the dmc: tsunami or just hold out for the lfr trinkets and work on my spell prioritization and practice healing. Any advice would be great thank you. -Z-Beefsheild7 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 New Holy pally looking for PVP advice. New holy paladin here looking to get gear/skilled up for bgs and rbgs. Looking for some general info regarding: 1) Pvp armor- spirit or no spirit? 2) Best gems to use? 3) Spec? 4) Any addons I should be using to make my life easier? 5) Lastly, any tips or tricks? Thank you in advance for your constructive post and any help you can give!Grul5 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 PVP priority question.. I do ok in pvp, and actually really enjoy it. Now, I only do BGs at the moment for fun, but can't really figure a few things out. I've run across a few ret pallies that I've looked up after a BG, and they don't really have full pvp gear yet either. But, when I went up against them, they were able to just drop me a few swings like I was nothing. So I guess I'm asking, is pvp similar to pve wiht CLCRet, or do I ignore a few things? I've kind of been just popping TV with 3 HP instead of Inq, juts because I feel like I won't have enough time to get another 3 up in a fight. And I'm not real sure I'm timing my HoF right. I've also seen a few using hand of justice. I'm just so new to pvping on a pally that I'm just not sure when to use what yet. Any tips would be great. Thanks :)Xate4 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Would Rotting Skull help my DPS with my gear? Title says all. I feel like the burst component would help somewhat when I time it with AW & Zealotry.Elewood2 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Tips for Spine debuff healing We killed Spine today, 3healing (me, disc, druid). However, even though I was balls to the wall healing the whole time, the druid did about 1.7x as much healing as I did. (Adding up all non-overhealing + debuff-soaked amounts). We're normally about equal. (I did DPS during tendon phases tho). Currently I'm using DL for healing debuffed people , popping wings and DF on cooldown to speed this up. I'm spam healing continuously except for regen periods (DP+melee amalg or conc pot). We have 2x Hymn of Hope available which are used. Is there a better plan for healing debuffed people that I'm overlooking? I tried beaconing one debuffed person and healing another, but the continual beacon transfer onto the tank is actually pretty useful for this fight. NB. I'm using default raid frames + Bigwigs, which doesn't show how much of each player's debuff is remaining. I hear DBM does show that , should I install an addon to show this? (Don't want to fully swap to DBM) Lusignan12 Feb 7, 2012
Feb 7, 2012 Sad...... Feb 7, 2012