Sep 16 Outdated, please unstick. EDIT: Due to no longer having the time to keep this thread up to date I will no longer be updating it as such. Please note there have been next to zero changes with fury going from 7.2 to 7.2.5 in terms of ability usage so the core information here is still correct, however I would urge you to checkout the information on MMOchamp's warrior forums as that will have more up to date information. Contents: I - Talents and Stat Priority: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#2 II - How to Play: Single Target / Area of Effect / Cooldowns: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#3 III - Warswords of Valajar - Your Artifact and you: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#4 IV - Consumables, Enchants, Gems and Racials: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#5 V - Legiondaries and the Mechanics of Fury: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#6 Recent Updates: 1/4/2017 - Updated w/ 7.2 traits path, nothing else has changed for fury as of this note.Greìl254 Sep 16
Sep 13 The Might of Stromkar: Arms PVE 7.2 A quick thank you to Archimtiros, Warriorsari, Artunias, and all of the Warriors of the Legion Alpha/Beta. Your hard work and dedication is testament to the warrior Community. Introduction: Hello my name is Curoar (think of it like que-roar) and I’m here to help new players as well as veteran players get a firm understanding of what's happening to Arms in 7.2.5 in terms of PVE. As with every other class and spec, in Legion everyone has had significant changes and their spec and abilities. We’ll start by discussing those, before jumping into the meat of things. If you have any suggestions to add to the guide please leave it in comments and I’ll come back and check it every now and then. PLEASE NOTE! This guide will be constantly updated and changed based on inevitable balance changes Blizzard will make. During this time stat-weights, talents, consumables, and enchants are all subject to change. Updated 3/25/17: Updated the guide for Patch 7.2. Good luck on the Broken Shore! Updated 1/10/17: Added comments on chages add in 7.1.5, primarilly focused at towards talent changes. Updated 10/23/16: Updated the guide's Single Target Rotation with Focused Rage, as well as added a Execute Phase guide, and a few Commonly Asked Questions. Table of Contents: I. Wait?! What happened to the spec?: Changes from 7.2 to 7.2.5 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#1 II. Stat Priorities http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#2 III. Gems, Enchants, and Consumables http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#2 IV. Races http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#2 V. Talents http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#3 VI. Artifact Traits and Paths http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#4 VII. Rotation Priority and Cooldowns http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#4 VII. Legendaries http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#5 IX. FAQs http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#5 I. Wait?! What happened to the spec?: Changes from 7.2 to 7.2.5 Arms has had considerable changes going into 7.2.5. What originally just looked like blanket buffs to mask the specs mechanical problems, actually caused a significant amount of changes late in the patch cycle. The following changes have been made to the spec… All abilities damage increased by 10%, in addition to any damage changes be low. Auto-attack rage generation increased by 10%. Critical strike auto-attacks now generate 30% bonus Rage (was 50%). The effect of Mastery has been reduced by 20%. Anger Management now spends 20 Rage per 1 second of cooldown reduction (was 10 Rage per 1 second), and now also reduces the cooldown of Bladestorm. Cleave damage increased by 20%. Colossus Smash cooldown reduced to 20 seconds (was 30 seconds), and damage increased by 10%. Dauntless cost reduction is now 10% (was 20%). Deadly Calm now reduces Rage costs during Battle Cry by 75% (was 100%). Execute damage increased by 25%. If the target does not die, 30% of the Rage spent on Execute is refunded. Fervor of Battle is now moved to Level 75. Fervor of Battle damage bonus increased to 80% (was 45%). Focused Rage is now moved to Level 90. Focused Rage now costs 20 Rage (was 15 Rage). In For The Kill is now moved to Level 90, passively causes Colossus Smash to grant you 10% Haste for 8 seconds. In For The Kill now refunds 40 Rage (was 30 Rage). Mortal Strike damage increased by 20%. Opportunity Strikes now causes your extra attacks to generate 5 Rage, with a 0.5 second internal cooldown. Overpower no longer costs Rage, no longer procs from auto-attacks, and may not proc itself. Precise Strikes (Artifact trait) now causes Colossus Smash to increase the critical strike chance of your next Mortal Strike or Execute by 10% per rank. Ravager now generates 7 Rage per tick if it damages at least one enemy, for a maximum of 49 Rage over its duration if every tick deals damage. Rend cost increased to 30 Rage (was 10 Rage). Rend’s first hit now deals 150% weapon damage. Rend’s duration decreased to 8 seconds (was 15 seconds). Rend now deals damage every 2 seconds (was 3 seconds). Rend’s periodic damage has been increased to 2.5x attack power (was 2.4x attack power). Initial hit decreased to 150% weapon damage, down from 280%. Periodic damage increased to 2.5x AP per tick, up from 2.4x AP. Shattered Defenses (Artifact trait) now causes Colossus Smash to increase the damage of your next Mortal Strike or Execute by 60% (was 30%). This effect no longer increases the critical strike chance of Mortal Strike or Execute. Slam damage increased by 35%. Titanic Might now increases the duration of Colossus Smash by 8 seconds (was 16 seconds), and now also reduces the cooldown of Colossus Smash by 8 seconds. Trauma is now moved to Level 45. Trauma is now also activated by Execute. Void Cleave (Artifact trait) damage increased by 100%. Whirlwind damage increased to 90% weapon damage per hit, now costs 30 Rage (was 25 Rage). Holy changes Batman! That’s a lot! Don’t worry we’ll go into more detail below!Curoar360 Sep 13
Oct 26, 2010 Welcome Warriors: Please Read! Welcome to the Warrior forum! This forum is here to provide you with a friendly environment where you can discuss the warrior class with your fellow World of Warcraft players. Community forums work best when participants treat their fellow posters with respect and courtesy, so we ask that you take the time to read through the forum Code of Conduct (http://us.battle.net/en/community/conduct) and guidelines (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15252595157) before posting. Important Reminders: Search The search function at the top of the World of Warcraft community site is extremely effective and robust. Before you create a new forum topic, please be use it to search for similar topics, blog posts, or web pages that may contain the answer for which you are looking. Making a new thread on an existing subject can result in your thread being deleted or, if you continue to re-post the same content, the loss of your forum privileges for spamming. Rating The forum rating system can be used to promote positive discussion, demote unhelpful comments, and even report posts that violate the forum Code of Conduct. By hovering over a post you'll be presented with several options, including a "thumbs up" (Like) and a "thumbs down" (Dislike) icon. Clicking the "thumbs up" icon will rate the post up. If enough people like a post, it will gain a Highly Rated status and appear at the top of related search results. Highly Rated posts will also have a highlighted background. Clicking the "thumbs down" icon will expand a drop-down menu which will include "Dislike," "Trolling, "Spam" and "Report" options. "Dislike" will rate the post down. If enough people dislike a post, it will be darkened, and with a lot of dislikes it will be hidden completely. You can also quickly report a post as trolling or spam, or use the report function to fill out a more comprehensive description of a violation. Please note that you can only rate each post once. Use your power wisely to help foster a positive and helpful forum community. Have fun posting on these forums, and good luck with your adventures in Azeroth!Lylirra1 Oct 26, 2010
1m Rate That Warrior Mog Again! My last thread capped so I'll pick up where it left off. https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20754936753?page=26 That's cool that you're wearing the legs and shoes for RP reasons but that doesn't make 'em match. Everything from the waist up looks good though. 7/10Willamina67 1m
1h What Legandary to use with Ayala's ring? I have gotten a few legendarys but not that good ones yet what legendary should I use with Ayalas ring Mannarotbs bracers Aggranars stride Najentus belt Or buy the crafted belt? Rethus belt?Deathok5 1h
1h Commanding Shout - Protection Warriors I feel like this ability should be available to Protection Warriors. Protection Warriors are already lacking in utility they bring to raids and dungeons, and this ability could help in that department. Also, what more of class fantasy than a protection warrior leading a raid or dungeon using a commanding shout to bolster your team?Vaythee2 1h
2h Heirlooms for Fury War Hey I'm thinking about making a dps war and Ive not played dps for along time and never played a war.. What is the best dps spec for war and what heirlooms should I purchase for it?Kruirn1 2h
5h Conflicted between MW Monk and Prot Warrior So, I have a MW and I have been enjoying playing it. However, I also think that Prot Warrior looks quite fun, charging at enemies and then smashing them in the face with a shield. So I don't know which I go with. Edit: And before anyone says, yes I know Monks can tank and I know that healers and tanks are really comparable. Prot Warrior is the tank I am interested in though not BrM.Jathel1 5h
8h 7.3 Arms ?? So I am not really all that committed to any of my characters and I am just curious how you guys all feel arms is looking in 7.3. For what I can tell and have read the CS mechanic works a lot like the judgment window on my ret paladin which I do know how to play a little better than this toon. But I don't really care for middle of the pack performance and even though they are getting buffed I am wondering since as easy as the gear from Argus will be to totally replace all my gear sans the lego I did get on this character. My impression is that Arms really isn't all that tough of a spec to master and get pretty good output from. Correct me if I am wrong and I certainly don't mean to insult anyone here I'm just curious. Thanks for your input on thisGaggez26 8h
9h Tusk farm kill # I've recently neglected doing a lot of my weekly wow chores to farm these shoulders. I'm currently sitting at 403 kills..what's everyone else's numbers looking like?Júice17 9h
10h Eitrigg vs Dvalen So, who is better as a bodyguard to follow you around. What different abilities do they have?Olafr7 10h
11h New Auto Attack Animation Did anyone else get new auto attack animations? I have just noticed they are different today. Maybe this change is only for Protection? Or maybe even more specifically Tauren Males?Rukaji0 11h
12h Challenge Appearance... I'm unsubbing I just cant figure out how this quest has to be this difficult? Only damn thing I looked forward too was that flail appearance. The quest attempts have led to a cracked glass computer desk, a busted keyboard and a busted mouse. Nothing, and I mean nothing (including PvP) has ever gotten me this frustrated with a video game. Considering how much money I dished out for countless years of subscription fees and tokens etc... players deserve better for smaller things like this. It's been real (Edited for language - Blizz)Kíttens40 12h
16h Crit and vers... All plate gear rewards must be for Frost DKs, no questions asked.Gleia10 16h
16h Rate the warrior name above you: II Continued! @Rèaver, 7/10.Dusty173 16h
18h Replacements for Sword and Board. i think they can get alittle more creative with this idea, so here are my thoughts! Testudo Form, for Fury: the Fury warrior forgoes weapons and with their titanic strength now can wield a shield in each arm, turning them into a living fortress of whirling death. Phalanx Form, for Protection: the Protection warrior, with time and experience under their belt, now puts them to the test, now able to wield polearm's along with shield's, can attack farther then other melee combatants, and charge through enemy formations with ease.Timida1 18h
1d Your Class Fantasy I would just like to ask the community how you feel blizzard did creating and enforcing the class fantasy of your preferred specialization. If you don't have experience with one of the specs feel free to only comment based on the one(s) you are experienced with. Do you feel they lived up to what the class fantasy has been represented as and do you feel the gameplay of the class is able to keep you involved and further increase the feeling that you are the spec you chose? What did they do good? What did they do alright with? What did they do bad/ leave out? Please list which specialization(s) you are speaking on. Thank You in advance for your responses. :)Curtens7 1d
1d New Mortal Strike Sound I've tried to give it time, hoping it would maybe blend in and I would stop noticing, but no. This new sound effect is horrible and grating. Like a crinkly tin pop can.Valarion11 1d
1d Addon Suggestions For A New Prot Warrior? I'm just starting to get into my new Human Protection Warrior. I love the sword and board playstyle and the feeling of hitting hard with the protection abilities. I use ELVUI for my UI and I'm loving it. I'm looking for some other suggestions for addons I should have while leveling/questing with my Protection Warrior. I'll also be doing dungeons every so often. Keep in mind that I'm a slow leveler who likes to take his time while reading each quest and seeing all that this great game has to offer. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for your time! - ThaeyneThaeyne5 1d
1d Fury Warrior - Need some Advice What do I need to increase here? I'm doing 450k dps. I see others of the same skill level that do significantly more. Is there something I am missing, do I need to try and re-roll my gear for some Haste? I'm not sure. Just check me out in the armory. It may even be my talents. rofl. EDIT: I am 911 ilvlLittleodd5 1d
1d Crucible Stat Question Arms Im coming up on my 2nd relic and 2nd tier choice between Infusion of the Light (Chance on Hit to do 100k dmg +chance on heal to give 100k shield dont know if it works for bracers or VR) Or Mastery of Shadows (+500 Mastery and Avoid) Icy veins puts Infusion of the Light .6 points higher then MoS, but I would thing the mastery would be better. What do you guys think? Also do you know if you infusion of the light stacks? Like my 3 relics all have it, so would it do 300k dmg instead of 100k?Holyrack9 1d
1d Terror Bound Nexus Viability? So I just got a 915 ilvl Terror Bound Nexus today to replace my 855 mastery stat stick but I'm second guessing myself on the decision. It seems to contribute a decent amount of damage in single target situations and does very well on packs but the hefty strength loss bugs me slightly. Also I'm SiMcraft challenged. MrRobot does peg it as the better choice, but alas MrRobot also advises 200 str gems over 200 mastery.Huangdi6 1d
1d Defensives Ignore Pain, or Shield Block...which should be the first rage spender? Cheers Frackt10 1d
1d best warrior of all time BGs played 15093 BGs won 10358 no warrior has more BG wins is bobos best warrior of all time just askingBobos77 1d
1d Fury Dps Help Hello,  I am concerned that I am severely under performing as a fury warrior. I can manage to parse typically in the 80s for almost every fight in heroic ToS with a few exceptions: Mistress, Host, Avatar. I'm currently 933 equipped and I'm not at all concerned about my stats... I know I should and could be parsing in the 90s. But I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.  My opener looks something like this: Charge, Pop Moonglaives trinket, Pop all CDS, Raging Blow, Oden's Fury, Rampage, then start normal priority rotation: Enraged RB>100 rage Rampage>RB>BT>FS.  I have recently discovered that I have been doing my execute phase entirely wrong. I just went and tried first two bosses of heroic ToS again. Parses went up slightly... Goroth: 83->89, Inquis:84->90 but still not where I need to be.  Another think I'd like to mention is that I try to prioritize Enraged RB @100 rage before hitting rampage. According to Kelade (one of top fury warriors in US), this is 100k dps difference. Although at times I find myself in an awkward situation where I'm at 100 rage with RB on CD and I literally have to wait a whole global to hit it... I'd like to know how to make that stop lol.  Last issue I'd like to bring up is this: Most of the time not all my CDs will line up perfectly together... BC, glaives, OF will be up but Avatar will be down. I'm slightly confused about when to use All/some of my cds... especially on fights like heroic KJ. Fights like Harj and Miss I'm confused about if I should hold all my cds for adds or blow them in the beginning along with prepot... I feel like prepot is a total waste without cds... Below you will find the link to my armory and logs. Please Help me. I need to be parsing much higher than I am. My guild is doing mythic and I don't want to be the one holding us back.   https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/stormrage/bòwser https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/26903184Bòwser5 1d
1d Looking for help with Fury DPS Have logs I just recently started playing Fury warrior and was looking for tips on how to improve, sometimes I can pull decent DPS for the current gear I have, but it isnt as consistent as I would like. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks fellow warriors! BTW I dont have any better legendaries to switch to atm https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FchLxfTPD7ymHG9p/#type=damage-done&source=38&fight=9 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FchLxfTPD7ymHG9p/#type=damage-done&source=38Kappasublime0 1d
1d How to Bring Fresh Meat into Relevance? The Tier 1 Talent Fresh Meat "grants Bloodthirst an additional 60% critical strike chance against targets above 80% health" I've been thinking of ways this talent could become something we would actually use and the simplest idea I've had is a scaling talent "grants Bloodthirst a critical strike percentage chance equal to 60% of the targets health" The numbers would definitely need testing to keep it competitive, but not OP. 60% is my arbitrary guess, it could be 50%, 75%, or 100% for all I know. It'd still keep it in line with the strong starter/opening talent while reducing it over the length of the fight, plus help us a tad since we no longer have T19 2pc to double the Furious Slash Bloodthirst buff. Thoughts?Jackomack4 1d
2d Protection: Human or Dwarf? Humans are more boring, but armor looks much better on them. I don't really know which to go with cause I also don't know much about their racials.Jathel4 2d
2d Undead warrior mogs Hey guys, grinding out a fresh warrior and havnt played for a while. Can you share some epic undead mogs so i can look epic when i hit 110?Raagecakes5 2d
2d New to WoW. How do I git gud? This is my 2 or 3rd week in WoW. I was just wondering on how to get better. In dungeons I do alright and i do pretty good in pvp. But when it comes to raids I'm not worth a damn. Some fights I'll do 600-700k... then some fights I do 900k+ then I go all the way down to 300k. I've never played an MMO and getting yelled at by people who have 10+ years ain't helping very much. Is there addons that can help me with what to do?Wolfsolaire7 2d
2d T21 + rampage relic Has anyone run the numbers in regards to tier 21 + rampage dmg trait relics ? I'm curious to know where it will rank in terms of value compared to the raging blow and battle cry relics that are currently the bis being that our T21 revolves around rampage. Also, curious to know if the rampage dmg relic effects the 2 piece bleed effect damage as well? Thanks in advanceParmigiana7 2d
2d arms dps help hi there! as titled above, im looking for insight as to why my dps may be on the lower side. im simming 1m+ on raidbots.com, however, on actual single target on average im around 800-850k now since i got the headpiece leggo. bfore i had 4 set (2pc heroic, 1 pc normal, and 1 pc raidfinder) but my dmg was still roughly 700-750k. it seems pretty low for what my ilvl is at. granted, my stats arent optimal, but with that in mind i should be closer to what im simming i feel. my rotation, while not flawless, i keep pretty tight most of the time. here is a link to my sim, as for some reason the armory is showing me with my pvp gear on. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nE4bNUqyWVtcFeoN9j3RLn thanks in advance for any tips/insight! *note: i also have the other belt legendary (whirlwind hits 1 addtional time blah blah) but generally only equip it for fights like harjatan or mistress, as incessant courage has slightly higher mastery. thanks!Wetloadz7 2d
2d I really miss my intervene ability... Why did they prune it?It was a totally skillful ability, I deeply miss intervening blinds, saps, and returning to allies for defensive purposes, or even intervening to gain new distance for a fresh charge to the opponent.I really wish they would return it back to warriors, its unjust and deserves more attention upon.I've always played Warrior and Mage since vanilla, and I must admit it's one of the abilities that I deeply miss that was given since the beginning of tbc, although in the very beginning it was strictly only for prot until a patch in near the very beginning of TBC-where they have given arms warriors the ability to intervene.Who else agrees with this?Malwartz1 2d
2d I am an unkillable God Rethu's incessant Courage & Mannoroth's Bloodletting Manacles is my favorite Legendary combo. In open-world content I haven't been brought down lower than 90% hp no matter what or how many Npc's I'm fighting and if I do end up lower, I'm back to full hp in no time.. It's quite great. Very curious to see how this combo fairs against Agatha once the Mage tower is back upDarksmear3 2d
2d Fury/Arms Burst Which has more "burst" outside of CDs? Do either? I have a Fury warrior (currently being "stored" as deleted) and haven't played Arms since Cataclysm. All across the webtubes people say Fury has way more burst than Arms but I just don't see the burst man. Are they talking about blowing CDs? I mean I guess if I blow everything I'll burn things down fast but the rest of the time the damage is pretty slow and steady. Even Rampage doesn't seem to hurt much if I'm not going balls to the wall.Jakobus5 2d
2d Warrior or DH? Got my alt choices narrowed down to one of these and I'm curious if anyone here plays both and has any input on which one is more fun.Dithus3 2d
2d What am I doing wrong as Fury? I seem to be averaging around 800-900k dps, with all my flaks and food, even an augment stone. It feels weak for the ilvl I am at, Any tips and pointers?Tamaki13 2d
2d Arms Neck Enchants? Trained Soldier vs Hidden Satyr I've seen both being used on high parses for mythic raiders. I'm currently using Hidden Satyr since many of the guides point to thatone being superior. Recently simmed trained warrior and it simmed higher for me. I wonder if more experienced raiders have better knowledge about this than I would.Adoreliandra1 2d
2d Bladestorm Bugged In Arena?? Two arenas in a row I used bladestorm at the same time I got CC'd and both times it went on CD causing me to lose those games.Smorcgødx1 2d
3d Fury or Arms hey i'm leveling a warrior alt and was wondering what's better for pvp atm, or if it's a matter or preference thank you in advanceDoughbetch4 3d
3d elite cruel gladiator's plate armor... It says that I needed to have a 2000 rating during legion season 3 and 4, so is there no way to get this set anymore?Gleia3 3d
3d Which 2 Legendaries? Out of these 5 that I own: Thundergod's Vigor Archimonde's Hatred Reborn Mannoroth's Bloodletting Manacles Ararat's Bloodmirror The Walls Fell Which do you think I should equip?Renotarshil4 3d
3d Malgalor Having an issue as a 711 Arms warrior, Malgalor is the Pit lord boss I can't seem to solo him. Any one have advice?Wintersblade16 3d
3d Lack of Fury Arena Representation It honestly saddens me at the lack of Fury representation in Arenas. The spec lacks the fundamentals because we are a offensive only spec which simply doesn't work in arenas. What makes me question Blizzard's design plans is the fact that Arms, while less bursty and more consistent, is relatively as good if not better than Fury in the damage department these days. If you're going to remove any defensive abilities and basically give everyone a free Avatar against us, at least boost our damage is it is worth specing fury.Balurt12 3d
3d Arms without bis legendary? Worth it or just too far behind, and reroll?Lokc8 3d
3d DUAL wielding Arms artifacts? say WHAT??? Want to dual wield fury artifacts in arms? How about dual wielding arm artifacts in tank spec. Or better yet a two-hander artifact, a shield and have a spare two-hander artifact on your back so you look like some decked out super been there done that weaponmaster of legion! Are you sitting at the edge of your screen screaming TELL ME already! How do I do this, before my rage meter becomes rage capped! I got just the thing for you: Go to the Auction how and buy the Glyph of the Weapon master. Keep only artifact weapons in your inventory Use "battlecry", switch specs Experiment and Enjoy! For added fun, switch to arms and use defensive stance in arms after copying your arms artifact while in fury spec. :) (Disclaimer: You are prepared! If albeit until the Legion sees through your illusion.)Ragefang8 3d
3d Overpowerd, yeah right! I recently knocked the dust off my warrior and got him to item level 870 , I've never died so much in my life . they might be amazing in PVP with a pocket healer , but in a PVE world enviorment , they get rolled all day long or at least i did . Unless blizzard introduces a some sort of sufficient healing , hes going back on the shelf If you love the class , I'm extremely happy for you , but personally,,,not my cup of teaMothamonker18 3d
4d Missing Horn of War NPC? Anyone else missing the NPC to create the work order for Horn of War? The mobile app is also missing the ability to place the work order. Horn of War is the item that allows you you to instantly complete a world quest that comes from the class hall upgrade.Puntardo7 4d
4d Is Warrior fun? Like could you try too sell me on Warrior? I have one at 110 with super bad gear and I'm not great at that I might make a main alt. I'd likely play mostly arms, mostly M+ and heroic raid pugs. Mainly with my very little time on it it seems a little one dimensional and boring but I'd like you to tell me why it isn't and why it's fun.Dithus16 4d
4d Ring of Collapsing Futures Hi, Fury warrior here and I just got a nice 940 one out of my chest, but i dont have previous experience with it as i never went hunting for it. Can anyone give me any insight on how its used with our rotation? Do i use it twice then let the debuff go away? do i only use it during the BC window? etc.. Any help would be appreciated, thanks!Alanara4 4d