Nov 29 The Might of Stromkar: Arms PVE 7.3.5 A quick thank you to Archimtiros, Warriorsari, Artunias, and all of the Warriors of the Legion Alpha/Beta. Your hard work and dedication is testament to the warrior Community. Introduction: Hello my name is Curoar (think of it like que-roar) and I’m here to help new players as well as veteran players get a firm understanding of what's happening to Arms in 7.2.5 in terms of PVE. As with every other class and spec, in Legion everyone has had significant changes and their spec and abilities. We’ll start by discussing those, before jumping into the meat of things. If you have any suggestions to add to the guide please leave it in comments and I’ll come back and check it every now and then. PLEASE NOTE! This guide will be constantly updated and changed based on inevitable balance changes Blizzard will make. During this time stat-weights, talents, consumables, and enchants are all subject to change. Updated 3/25/17: Updated the guide for Patch 7.2. Good luck on the Broken Shore! Updated 1/10/17: Added comments on chages add in 7.1.5, primarilly focused at towards talent changes. Updated 10/23/16: Updated the guide's Single Target Rotation with Focused Rage, as well as added a Execute Phase guide, and a few Commonly Asked Questions. Table of Contents: I. Wait?! What happened to the spec?: Changes from 7.2.5 to 7.3.5 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#1 II. Stat Priorities http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#2 III. Gems, Enchants, and Consumables http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#2 IV. Races http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#2 V. Talents http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#3 VI. Artifact Traits and Paths http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#4 VII. Rotation Priority and Cooldowns http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#4 VII. Legendaries http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#5 IX. FAQs http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747264886?page=1#5 I. Wait?! What happened to the spec?: Changes from 7.2.5 to 7.3.5 Actually nothing. Our spec received no PVE related changes in 7.3.5. Arms had considerable changes going into 7.2.5. In case you don't know what changed here's what happened in 7.2.5 with the spec. The following changes have been made to the spec in 7.2.5... All abilities damage increased by 10%, in addition to any damage changes be low. Auto-attack rage generation increased by 10%. Critical strike auto-attacks now generate 30% bonus Rage (was 50%). The effect of Mastery has been reduced by 20%. Anger Management now spends 20 Rage per 1 second of cooldown reduction (was 10 Rage per 1 second), and now also reduces the cooldown of Bladestorm. Cleave damage increased by 20%. Colossus Smash cooldown reduced to 20 seconds (was 30 seconds), and damage increased by 10%. Dauntless cost reduction is now 10% (was 20%). Deadly Calm now reduces Rage costs during Battle Cry by 75% (was 100%). Execute damage increased by 25%. If the target does not die, 30% of the Rage spent on Execute is refunded. Fervor of Battle is now moved to Level 75. Fervor of Battle damage bonus increased to 80% (was 45%). Focused Rage is now moved to Level 90. Focused Rage now costs 20 Rage (was 15 Rage). In For The Kill is now moved to Level 90, passively causes Colossus Smash to grant you 10% Haste for 8 seconds. In For The Kill now refunds 40 Rage (was 30 Rage). Mortal Strike damage increased by 20%. Opportunity Strikes now causes your extra attacks to generate 5 Rage, with a 0.5 second internal cooldown. Overpower no longer costs Rage, no longer procs from auto-attacks, and may not proc itself. Precise Strikes (Artifact trait) now causes Colossus Smash to increase the critical strike chance of your next Mortal Strike or Execute by 10% per rank. Ravager now generates 7 Rage per tick if it damages at least one enemy, for a maximum of 49 Rage over its duration if every tick deals damage. Rend cost increased to 30 Rage (was 10 Rage). Rend’s first hit now deals 150% weapon damage. Rend’s duration decreased to 8 seconds (was 15 seconds). Rend now deals damage every 2 seconds (was 3 seconds). Rend’s periodic damage has been increased to 2.5x attack power (was 2.4x attack power). Initial hit decreased to 150% weapon damage, down from 280%. Periodic damage increased to 2.5x AP per tick, up from 2.4x AP. Shattered Defenses (Artifact trait) now causes Colossus Smash to increase the damage of your next Mortal Strike or Execute by 60% (was 30%). This effect no longer increases the critical strike chance of Mortal Strike or Execute. Slam damage increased by 35%. Titanic Might now increases the duration of Colossus Smash by 8 seconds (was 16 seconds), and now also reduces the cooldown of Colossus Smash by 8 seconds. Trauma is now moved to Level 45. Trauma is now also activated by Execute. Void Cleave (Artifact trait) damage increased by 100%. Whirlwind damage increased to 90% weapon damage per hit, now costs 30 Rage (was 25 Rage). Holy changes Batman! That’s a lot! Don’t worry we’ll go into more detail below!Curoar363 Nov 29
Sep 16 Outdated, please unstick. EDIT: Due to no longer having the time to keep this thread up to date I will no longer be updating it as such. Please note there have been next to zero changes with fury going from 7.2 to 7.2.5 in terms of ability usage so the core information here is still correct, however I would urge you to checkout the information on MMOchamp's warrior forums as that will have more up to date information. Contents: I - Talents and Stat Priority: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#2 II - How to Play: Single Target / Area of Effect / Cooldowns: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#3 III - Warswords of Valajar - Your Artifact and you: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#4 IV - Consumables, Enchants, Gems and Racials: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#5 V - Legiondaries and the Mechanics of Fury: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747195056?page=1#6 Recent Updates: 1/4/2017 - Updated w/ 7.2 traits path, nothing else has changed for fury as of this note.Greìl254 Sep 16
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14m Rate the warrior name above you: II Continued! @Rèaver, 7/10.Dusty273 14m
1h Give me Arms hidden pls I only log in to my Warrior who is next to Helgar in order to check for appearance quest. Weeks now he never asks about the axe. I log in and out go to dal and back every day for weeks. At this point rng has had its chance and this is looking more bugged by the day. I want this appearance before BfA. Please I need dev intervention.Mgann12 1h
2h Surviving in arena Seem to be having an issue with getting blown up way too fast in 2s. Popping defensive cooldowns doesn’t seem to help much. Rogues and DKs are the worst for me. I take sparring against double melee. But a lot of games I’m dead before I can really do anything. Any advice?Geriolf8 2h
2h Expert advice from better players. After a few weeks, I have two pieces of t21, and this gear set up is my highest simming build. Would like advice on my rotation to me started so I can improve on this class. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ahKRZTdyqtpQcBLX#fight=8&type=auras&source=13 I notice some errors myself when looking at the logs, but with bloodbath's new rotation, not sure if I'm getting it right.Adoreliandra3 2h
3h Fury warrior- doing terrible dps Unsure why I was doing fine up till now I think the armory is updated to my current stats I haven't played in a while. Any tips thanks!Ughash3 3h
13h Not sure What class to choose Hi, i am a point in legion where i don't know what class to play, i love to play dh, but also love to play warrior, and death knight seems pretty and good as well any thoughts are advice of what class i should reroll?Thenewworgen10 13h
15h We need more glyphs I'd love to get a glyph for arms being a blademaster one giving you a banner, what ones would you guys like?Fangsaur8 15h
15h How to kill feral as Prot? Damn, I have the WORST time with ferals. Their dots take me down and I can't seem to do enough damage to kill them. Their life bar goes down just a little bit while their dots eat me alive. What's the best way for a Prot warrior to deal with ferals?Destru5B1C871 15h
15h Prot M+ Legendary help? Hi folks, I don't raid, Mythic Plus dungeons is my jam. I'm using the trink and Thundergod's (with Booming Voice) listed below. I just got the ring and am wondering your opinions for best 2 of what I have below for M+ pushing. Any other M+ tips for prot are welcome as well :) Archimonde's Hatred Reborn http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/144249 Thundergod's Vigor http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/137089 Sephuz's Secret http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/132452 Rethu's Incessant Courage http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/146667Nafear3 15h
18h Need ADvice HI, All just started playing warrior again recently, and i always am at the bottom of dps any advice, of how i can get better?Thenewworgen1 18h
21h Arms mastery is a bit awkward to me. I've gotten about 10+ overall item levels worth of gear I'm unable to equip due to it not having mastery. 915 pieces simming much better than 945 and 950 pieces I've gotten. Just feels a bit meh getting all these huge item lvl upgrades that I can't even wear due to the dps loss. They essentially just rot in my bag forever, or I use them to boost my item level for getting in groups. wtb reforging.Creamybutter15 21h
23h Arms 4pcT21 = zero burst? Is there really no burst with T21? I mean, without Ravager or BS in our single target, we have zero cooldowns besides BC. Our opener is just our ST rotation and we have to rely on our execute phase to compensate for a flat DPS rate and any strings of rage starvation and no tactician procs? I know sims are putting 4pc above T20 (mine are as well) and I've done okay with it, but is it me? Or, does it feel like a broken spec currently?Cullin15 23h
1d Fury mage tower Hello all, I've asked about this for my druid in that forum and got lots of great tips and was just wondering if anyone would mind giving me a couple pointers, (gear, talents, supplies, relics etc.) on the best way of beating this for my warrior, best I seem to do is getting her to 60% So far i've gathered that I should kill her shield and interrupt here asap, kill the poison imps kind of out of the way, and take down her buffing imps as soon as I can I think getting the healing bracers would be a massive help, what's the best way to farm those? Thank you in advance!Henrickk10 1d
1d Please help my DPS Hello all I have spent time looking over wow logs and I cant figure out what I am doing wrong I realize that I don't have COF but that shouldn't be causing me to be 400k behind IMO. Also in comparing my logs with people that are around 1.5 to 1.6k dps I am finding that my abilities are not hitting as hard as theirs are and I cant figure out why. I am usually about 20% to 30% less dmg per hit than other people with higher dps. Please help me understand what is causing that. Here is a link to HEROIC Garothi: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xqcyYnk3NvbFGpJf#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=14 Please let me know what you think I am doing wrongDeathtitan5 1d
1d Got Arms AND Fury Hidden appearance.... without actually getting either.. So I got the prot hidden appearance (which is super easy, you literally go pick it up), and while I had it, i got all the color variations for prot only to discover that it unlocked the 3 colors for fury AND arms without ever actually getting fury or arms hidden artifact. so basically i got 3 color variations of fury and arms but not the base color one lol. is this working as intended? or a bug? either way im not complaining.Katyperry6 1d
1d Rate That Warrior Mog Again! My last thread capped so I'll pick up where it left off. https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20754936753?page=26 That's cool that you're wearing the legs and shoes for RP reasons but that doesn't make 'em match. Everything from the waist up looks good though. 7/10Willamina418 1d
1d New to Arms and Raiding Hello all - just had a question, I will be going into normal ToS for the first time this weekend with my guild and was just wondering what would be my ideal talent set up given what I have for gear (not very good right now, I know). Should I go with Sweeping Strikes or Dauntless, Trauma or Rend, FoB or TM. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!Draftbrew1 1d
2d Warrior vs DK mog Comment #1 for Warrior: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/rivendare/smoochumz #2 for DK: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/rivendare/sandersonia Who has the better mog? Let's see yours next!Smoochumz2 2d
2d 4 piece or Leggo cape So i just got my 4 piece tonight but should i use it and make my other leggo the bracers cause its all i have or should i just not use 4 piece and use leggo cape?Dublefist5 2d
2d Fury Warrior Auto Attack Miss Every time it happens, my irl rage bar grows just slightly. Is it only dual wielding classes that have this happen to them still? Edit: Talking about white hits.Destrey10 2d
2d Talent Change with 4pc? Do any talents change with T21 4pc? For Fury warriors?Hoppe2 2d
2d Help with solo bg queuing as Arms Hey fellow Warriors! So lately I have been playing my warrior in random bgs and just not too happy with it. I feel I don't dish out enough damage compared to some other melee classes and that I am a free kill. I just want to feel more effective during a game and not some orange pylon. I have a lot to learn about enemy cds (definitely need help with this) Any tips/information is welcomed (arms pvp guides, addons etc.) Thanks in advance!Ramserran11 2d
2d Mannoroth's Bloodletting Manacles If I can't have Victory Rush back as Fury, I would really appreciate it if this legendary's effects could be turned into a talent or something. I wouldn't go so far as to call it absolutely vital, but it's such a nice quality-of-life bonus that I'm really not looking forward to getting rid of these.Valejo1 2d
2d Prot Mage Tower - I'm Horrible. Help? I'm looking to complete the tower for the appearance (obviously) on an alt here. I have a good understanding of the fight having done it on two other tanks, but for the life of me, I just can't understand how it's supposed to be done as a Warrior. I've only been able to get through the first pack of adds so far. The Mind Rends (the Variss nuke) are just too much for me to handle, using my stun and interrupts as much as I possibly can. I Spell Reflect the first wave, and whatever Rend hits me during. I'm only going to three stacks, as well. But like I said, when those adds die, so do I. My only thought is that I have to be doing something intrinsically wrong as a Warrior. I must be missing a huge part of the class. Or maybe, I'm just missing a legendary or two that would better suit the task. My gear is also pretty horridly optimized - just been pumping up the item level with whatever comes my way. Any tips? What am I missing? How do other Warriors seem to heal so much more than I'm able to?Okuno10 2d
2d Bloodbath talent when to switch I just got my 2 piece and was curious when I should start using blood bath? Also what is the rotation for bloodbath? When your enraged do you just spam raging blow and ignore bloodthirst?Hermeslink10 2d
2d Stance dancing Hey guys, so with all the hype for WoW classic, I decided to give the private servers a go, and have had a blast so far. My warrior is now level 33, and I have access to all stances now (along with my gorgeous whirlwind axe). My question is, when are the best scenarios for using each stance? This is mainly for pvp, because I know for tanking I’ll mostly be defensive, and berserker for dps, but I’m watching all these old vanilla pvp videos and I’m getting a bit lost seeing all the switching between stances. Any feedback is appreciated.Jacksouth1 2d
2d Prot warrior mastery or vers just wondering as of the new tier what is the go to i know haste to 30% but right now what would be better as the next in line mastery or versZombiespells2 2d
2d Hidden Appearance Everyday i check this forum, and everyday i see at least one post about the arms hidden appearance. With so many posts, it seems bizarre to me that Blizz hasn't directly addressed the issue. Its been 3 months for NA. Is it broken? At this point im not looking for anything other than a simple "we're aware of the issue". Please just let us know your out there BlizzGunthrax18 2d
2d Hidden appearance for Prot and Fury Prot: How do I know when it is up? Do I just log in after reset, put in the macro that comes back true or false to see if it has spawned, then ignore it for that day if it says false? I heard the relog bug got fixed to make it spawn so there's that. Fury: Can I try to get a drop off Odyn even though I beat him in ToV before I got exalted with the Valarjar? I am exalted now but looted him before I was. Also is Skovald a guarentee drop or a low chance? How would I farm him for the drops if a low chance? Spam Normal HoV?Nylliene6 2d
3d What am I missing about fury & warrior I came back to the game after a long break since late 2005. This warrior was 47 when I quit. Upon coming back, I read lots of things like "fury is so much more fun", "fury play style is way more engaging", "arms is boring but currently better for dmg"... I'm only lvl 85, but right now fury seems pretty mind numbing. The core abilities are just charge, Furious Slash, Bloodthirst each time it's up, WW when needed, and then raging blow if you proc enrage, or rampage if you have lots of rage (and to proc enrage) ...thats like 6 buttons. You also have fear when needed, piercing howl, berserker rage, and my macro that uses all the cooldowns (battle cry, avatar(if i dont use it individually), enrage regen, etc.). Still, just a small handful of abilities to use. Arms seems like it has a couple more (depending on how you spec, could be wrong, haven't actually counted them all up) but at least the playstyle has a bit more precision, and (for me at least) requires a bit more thought and awareness. This post isn't for saying one of these is better than the other, but just asking you guys what am I missing? Does it get more complicated in endgame? When I last played in vanilla I really only played priest and mage, but I remember the game being much more involved, and there being a lot more abilities. It seems like they kinda dumbed things down. What am I doing wrong? When I'm playing fury (and even arms to a good extent) it feels like im just mashing the same 5ish keys over and over again till enrage procs, and then I mash 2 other keys. Thanks for the help, SevenSeventhirty11 3d
3d I need help with Protection I am taking large spikes of damage and I cannot tell why. When I play my guardian druid I can just roflstomp heroic dungeons. But when I use this warrior in the same mode, I get massive health spikes even with Shield Block and Ignore Pain up. So is Protection just kinda of weak right now or is it the spec is just more gear dependent than other tanks? I know every class spec is supposed to be capable of completing heroic raids. So I am at a loss why I am having such issues with just heroic dungeons.Tajrael7 3d
3d 1H Fury Does anyone else feel like they should be able to use two one handed weapons as fury? I always liked one handed fury, titans grip was cool for a little bit but i'm not really feeling the look of having two huge weapons on my back anymore. Or at least let fury warriors transmog to 1H's.Mørtalas7 3d
3d Stance Macro??? hi all, Looking for macros so I can make D Stance and B Stance separate buttons. Anyone know any?Theresia3 3d
3d it would be c00l if we could mog our defensive stance shields <3Echådor1 3d
3d Please Help me Understand... Ok, so, on this warrior, Valhasbjorn, I have always played Arms in Legion. I have always enjoyed it and done very well, PvE and PvP. I got the Dragon Slayers today, so i wanted to try out Fury. After putting some Argus relinquished relics in my Warswords, I was only two item levels below what I am when playing Arms... But... I am garbage. I do half the damage as Fury (if not less). I have half the survivability (if not less). What am I doing wrong? Why am I so powerful as Arms, but so weak as Fury??? NOTE: I have played Fury a good bit in the past, so I know how the spec works.Valhasbjorn3 3d
3d arms in bgs so i am thinking of doing an all bg leveling process either from 10-100 or 15-100 (so random bgs are unlocked) then questing 100-110 , but anyhow im either looking at the surv hunter or ww monk or arms warrior . so i wanted to see what you thought of arms pvp in a random bg setting thanksCarakon2 3d
4d arms pvp talents? whats the best pvp spec? I seem to get rolled by DH's and pallys the hardestDecabrah1 4d
4d Arms changes on ptr Someone smarter than me tell me what they mean. The tooltip says increase but the numbers say nerfbat.Withmalice3 4d
4d Single Minded Fury Bring it back please. Thanks.Dacious20 4d
4d Arms hidden appearance Maybe if enough of us make a thread on how ridiculous this rng is they will hotfix it..Nolvadex0 4d
4d Why am I always lowest DPS Help me! I'm always pulling lowest dps on the meters. Until now I've always just been equipping highest Ilvl and am realizing crit is my best stat, is that my issue? Should I lower my Ilvl to improve stats?Soktan17 4d
4d Remember Shield Slam? When it's damage knocked off like 20% of everything's health? I remember, that was fun.Uvarak4 4d
4d Prot questions from a non-warrior Thinking of leveling my Warrior, but I had a few questions I would like to get cleared up. Ignore pain.. Reduces damage by 90% up to a certain cap amount based on rage spent. Does this take into consideration spell damage as well as physical, or is it only melee abilities? Does it have a cap? (50% of total heal Ect..) Are Prot warriors just gods in pvp because they can literally negate 90% of all damage thrown at them or does it work differently in pvp? If Ignore pain is a thing, is there really any reason to use Shield Block? If you're already negating 90% of the damage, does an additional 30% really matter? 100 incoming damage. Ignore pain negates 90%, so now you're taking 10 damage. Shield block reduces that damage by an additional 30%.. Your 10 damage is now 7.. And only for melee damage.Omniscience7 4d
4d When to use Defensive Stance in PvP So I'm a little confused with it at the moment, if it lowers the damage taken and the damage you do by the same amount, when is the best time to use it? And would you have it on when you're 1v1ing someone in a bg?Gromkosh1 4d
4d best warrior of all time BGs played 15093 BGs won 10358 no warrior has more BG wins is bobos best warrior of all time just askingBobos171 4d
4d shattering throw i miss you. bb girlWebsslol6 4d
4d Leveling warrior what spec So i wanna level warrior ( dps not tank ) i will mainly sit in dungeons. and i wanna damage with some good numbers. What spec should i go for on what level and what weapons. Thanks.Kamadhenu10 4d