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Nov 7 World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth Azeroth paid a terrible price to end the apocalyptic march of the Legion’s crusade—but even as the world’s wounds are tended, it is the shattered trust between the Alliance and Horde that may prove hardest to mend. As this age-old conflict reignites, join your allies and champion your faction’s cause—Azeroth’s future will be forged in the fires of war. In World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth, you must declare your allegiance. ----- Trailers and Media: World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth - Cinematic Trailer World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth - Features Trailer ----- Recruit Allied Races Explore Azeroth as one of six new playable Allied Races, including four you've encountered in your campaign against the Legion. Embark on a quest to earn their favor and unlock each race, adding their strength to your faction. Create a new character and complete the full leveling experience to earn a distinctive Heritage Armor set. Learn more about Allied Races here. New Continent - Kul Tiras As a hero of the mighty Alliance, journey to the seafaring kingdom of Kul Tiras, home of Jaina Proudmoore. Untangle a web of betrayal and dark magic as you encounter power-hungry pirates, witches wielding death magic, mystical sea priests, and more. Explore the stony peaks of Tiragarde Sound, trek across Drustvar’s high plains and red forests, and navigate the intricate inland canals of Stormsong Valley as you convince this fractured kingdom to join your cause. New Continent - Zandalar Prepare the Horde for war by recruiting the ancient empire of Zandalar. In this troll-dominated territory, ancient evil waits to be unleashed on the world as you battle crazed blood-troll worshippers, gargantuan dinosaurs, and titan constructs. Discover Zuldazar, the oldest city in Azeroth; unveil the bleak swamps of Nazmir; and traverse the deadly deserts of Vol'dun. Plunder Uncharted Islands Set sail for the previously unmapped isles of Azeroth. Battle in groups of three as you race against cunning rival intruders—or enemy players—to collect the island’s resources. Constantly evolving challenges await as you traverse frozen landscapes near Northrend, open the gates of an abandoned Gilnean castle, navigate a war between elementals and more. Storm the Warfronts Head to the frontlines and take part in a large-scale 20-player cooperative Warfront to claim a key strategic location. Build up your faction’s forces, lead the charge as your troops lay siege to the objective, and battle the enemy commanders as they make their last stand in this new PvE mode inspired by classic Warcraft RTS battles. Infuse Armor with Titanic Might Take control of the Heart of Azeroth—a legendary neck piece entrusted to you by Magni Bronzebeard. Imbue it with Azerite, an invaluable resource that’s emerged in the Legion’s wake, to customize your armor with new powers and traits. Enter a World Divided New Level CapStop the spread of the Blood God’s corruption, unearth the secrets of a lost titan vault, and much more as you quest to level 120. New Dungeons and RaidsFight through all-new dungeons like the golden city of Atal’Dazar, and the outlaw town of Freehold! Character BoostAdvance a new or existing hero character to level 110 instantly, and be ready to join your new allies in battle! CommunitiesFind adventurers who share common interests through in-game Communities and join cross-realm social groups.Ornyx0 Nov 7
5h XP From Dungeons Hi all, From WoW’s earliest days, we’ve always had to take steps to limit experience gains for characters when grouped with someone of a drastically higher level. We recently became aware of a bug introduced in 7.3.5: a side-effect of the vastly expanded creature scaling was causing the logic to break when awarding XP in some situations. Earlier today, we applied a hotfix to creature experience that corrects this issue. At the same time, we have significantly increased the experience awarded through queuing for random Normal dungeons from Classic through Draenor content. Running dungeons at the appropriate should feel rewarding, whether as a complement to or even an complete alternative to questing. As always, we appreciate your feedback and will continue to keep a close eye on the pacing of the leveling experience in 7.3.5 and beyond.Ornyx1934 5h
4d Battle for Azeroth: Collector's Edition While Azeroth bleeds, the armies of the Horde and Alliance meet again on the fields of battle. Prepare for all-out war with this limited edition collector’s set, featuring rare and commemorative items to boost morale for the coming conflict. Double-Sided Story Book: Elegy & A Good War Every great war story has two sides. This limited edition hardback version collects two new World of Warcraft novellas depicting the Burning of Teldrassil from the point of view of the Alliance (Elegy, by Christie Golden) and the Horde (A Good War, by Robert Brooks). Each story includes original artwork exclusive to this edition*. Horde & Alliance Double-Sided Mark of Allegiance Declare your allegiance with this hefty, double-sided Mark of Allegiance. Place it somewhere prominent, with your chosen faction proudly facing out into the world for all to see. Includes stand. Collector’s Edition Digital Soundtrack A digital key to download the stirring orchestral pieces from the Battle for Azeroth soundtrack, the perfect mood music for laying siege to your enemies. --- Upgrading from Standard or Digital Deluxe to Collector's Edition If you’ve purchased a digital copy of Battle for Azeroth, but want to upgrade to the Collector’s Edition, we will automatically credit you the cost of the digital copy in Blizzard Balance - as long as you enter the Collector’s Edition key before 11:59pm PST on December 31, 2018. When you enter the key from your Collector’s Edition, we will see the original transaction on your account and the credit will kick in. Remember, you will need to enter the Collector’s Edition key before the end of the year, as automatic Blizzard Balance credits will be turned off at 11:59pm PST on December 31, 2018. Please note, if you bought a standard edition then upgraded to a digital deluxe, you will be credited for the original copy only. Standard Digital / Digital Deluxe > Collector’s Edition If you bought the Standard OR Digital Deluxe copy of Battle for Azeroth and pre-ordered the Collector’s Edition, your Blizzard Balance credit will be the price you paid for the original copy. Standard Digital > Digital Deluxe > Collector’s Edition If you bought the Standard digital copy, upgraded to Digital Deluxe at a later date, then pre-ordered the Collector’s Edition of Battle for Azeroth, your Blizzard Balance credit will be the price you paid for the original Standard Edition.Ornyx130 4d
Apr 17 Battle for Azeroth Arrives August 14 A new age of warfare between the Horde and the Alliance is here. Declare your allegiance in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth beginning August 14. As rivalries of the past arise once more, a powerful new resource emerges—and whoever lays claim to it could shape the future of all who make Azeroth their home. More information here.Ornyx68 Apr 17
Oct 3, 2016 Welcome - Please Read! Welcome to the General Discussion forum! This forum is here to provide you with a friendly environment where you can discuss all aspects of World of Warcraft with your fellow players. Community forums work best when participants treat their fellow posters with respect and courtesy, so we ask that you take the time to read through the forum Code of Conduct and guidelines before posting. Code of Conduct: Getting the Most Out of the Forums: Important Reminders: Search The search function at the top of the World of Warcraft community site is extremely effective and robust. Before you create a new forum topic, please be use it to search for similar topics, blog posts, or web pages that may contain the answer for which you are looking. Making a new thread on an existing subject can result in your thread being deleted or, if you continue to re-post the same content, the loss of your forum privileges for spamming. Rating The forum rating system can be used to promote positive discussion and even report posts that violate the forum Code of Conduct. By hovering over a post you'll be presented with several options, including a "thumbs up" (Like) icon. Clicking the "thumbs up" icon will rate the post up. If enough people like a post, it will gain a Highly Rated status and appear at the top of related search results. Highly Rated posts will also have a highlighted background. You can also quickly report a post as trolling or spam, or use the report function to fill out a more comprehensive description of a violation. Please note that you can only rate each post once. Use your power wisely to help foster a positive and helpful forum community.Ornyx3 Oct 3, 2016
1m 3 Months Later... ...and we still haven't had the completion of the Silithus quests? The 8.0 PTR is bound to go up in 2 months (3 months = 8.0 release, 4 months = BFA release), and we still don't even have the finished story for Legion? Am I the only one who thinks that seems a bit off?Maizou19 1m
1m Remove Dungeon Deserter debuff if kicked I understand the purpose of Dungeon Deserter is to keep players from being able to just leave from a dungeon in the outset, and that it encourages players to see dungeons through. However, it should never be applied to a player who was removed by the group. While some players are removed from groups for valid reasons, many get kicked for bad ones, or no reason at all. Enforcing the Dungeon Deserter debuff on these players is punishing them for something that is out of their control. If anything, it makes those of us who want to help new players in low level dungeons scared to say anything because they could deem us "condescending" and we can get kicked. If blizzard wants a good community in wow, they need to remove mechanics that deter and prevent us from building one.Azgrim10 1m
1m Least lore friendly race class combos So recently I've wanted to get into rping but I didn't want to go with some of the more reasonable lore classes like shaman and tauren orcs and warriors and shamans kinda including locks to and so on and so forth (side note doesn't matter what faction) I'm looking for ones that would have a back story of like the classic my farther hated that I was showing more signs of being a (insert class) then a (insert class) since it was hardly normal for one of us to be that. If you get what I mean lol anyway I can think of a few but I want some other opinions and thoughtsChinationz42 1m
1m No Need for LFR Anymore Premade group finder. You no longer need to be in a raiding guild or commit to several hour long schedules to see raiding content. You only need queue up for a group running the current tier or boss(es) you need and have one in about 10 minutes, which, for some specs, is less than the time it takes to queue up for LFR.Dalexs294 1m
1m Advantages of having more than one character Are there really any advantages to having more than one character? If so, did anyone create a character just to have another character to pay and not just because of the advantages.Avalon2 1m
1m Hunter Animation Delay As some of you may or may not know, hunters have this odd animation delay, most noticeably when using Arcane Shot, Cobra Shot and Multishot, where the animation of the shot happens a good 1 or 2 seconds after you fire the shot. I have done a mountain of research, and I am determined to see if the develoeprs can fix this issue. Here are some things of note: It does not happen to everyone. Some race / weapon combinations have no issues with this. I have been told directly from an animator on the WoW team that is not an animation issue, which i find odd. I have applied the famous "spellqueue" fix, which unfortunately does not work with this issue The only thing I have found that does work is firing from exactly 38 to 40 yards away, right at the edge of the hunters range. This is not a latency issue, and has nothing to do with computer specs. This issue started in patch 7.2 in April of 2017. In all I am kind of surprised that a AAA MMO such as this exists with an issue like this that has not been resolved. Here is a list of threads mentioning this issue, there are a ton more but I did not want to post them all. This bug is almost a year old and it is staggering that it has not been fixed. 1m
1m How to game with a new baby? Curious if you guys have any tips on how to play when you just had a baby? She's only 1 week old but she requires a lot of attention. I work all day and when I come home I take over for my girlfriend so she can rest. I did just buy a laptop so that way I can try and play while she sleeps but not sure if that will work either. Does it get easier the older she gets?Indiscreto195 1m
1m GD Lounge #147 Waiting for a blue blessing. Bluessing?.Katheryne1709 1m
1m Blizz took away 110 boosts for BFA pre-orders So if you were saving your boost to see how alpha played out to determine what you'd like to boost for BFA, you're out of luck. Apparently there was a window and no longer an option to use it. Wish they would have stated that on the pre-order before I bought it. That's now a $60 item I have to purchase that should have been free.Zivern0 1m
1m Date the person above you Haven't seen one of these in a while. Go!Kaydewey364 1m
2m DIfficult Healer In your guys opinion what would be the most difficult healer to master?Affinitywell37 2m
2m "Stand As One!" "Stand As One!" Alliance War Cry/Slogan: "For The Alliance." Horde War Cry/Slogan: "For the Horde." I have always disliked "For the Alliance" as a slogan. 1.) It doesn't sound unique: just a cheap knockoff of the horde version. 2.) Why is "the alliance" worthy of death or a cause? Why would some dwarf farmer be inspired to die and fight in a war because Anduin says "For the alliance"? I admit partial ignorance here, as a predominately horde player, but the Horde is a brotherhood of abandon factions and bonding formed from rough times; this makes most things for horde players a worthy cause. Why would you consider this faction of races for Alliance to be worthy cause of death or otherwise? I certainly don't feel it, but again, horde player; I also do not respect it from across the board and I certainly do not tremble in fear hearing it: I want a worthy adversary to fear! I was watching the BFA trailer and realized after he resurrected his troops, Anduin said, "Stand as one, for the alliance!" Very inspiring moment and all that jazz. I've always disliked "For the alliance" for the aforementioned, so when Anduin said, "Stand as one" I had an idea to suggest this as the alliance slogan. So, for Alliance players, I have a few questions for you. 1.) Do you feel inspired with "For the alliance" as it stands right now? 2.) Would you want a new slogan being happy or unhappy with "For the alliance?" 3.) If you want a better slogan, would "Stand as one" be better suited? More of my thoughts: A horde is merely a large group. An Alliance is more of a set of individual groups that formed as a mutual benefit, like war of conflict: One is more individual while the other is more bonded. This is all fine and good for each respected faction though. I feel "stand as one" speaks more to the heart of what an alliance is: a union between similarly mutual benefits. Also, Warchief is one dictator/Great Leader. I feel like the alliance should not be ruled by one person, but a counsel of each faction leader, but very cooperative with one another. Think Canada vs United Kingdom vs United States: We are all different and run our countries differently; our citizens can come and go pretty easily from each country, much more so than some other nations, and so on. But in times of war, we unify and "Stand As One" against a common enemy. I digress.Ichvolga30 2m
2m How Would You Feel If We Kill Sylvanas? How would you feel if they made Sylvanas the 5th Horde leader to bite the dust? After killing Cairn, Garrosh, Vol'jin, and removing Thrall. Do we really need another? If they kept Vol'jin alive or brought him back, I'd be ok with it. But seriously, who would we have left beside Lorthramar and baine? Gallywix and Ji? And maybe a really, really old orc?Starswirls172 2m
2m Alliance High Elves as a Playable Race ALLIANCE HIGH ELVES AS A PLAYABLE RACE NEW April 22nd, 2018: Talendrion, a fan, created visual mockups of how a High Elf based on a Night Elf model, altered to match Blood Elf proportions and using the Human posture, would look like Male Skintones and Hairstyles: Female Skintones and Hairstyles: Male Skintones (Base Version): Female Skintones (Base Version): April 12th, 2018: TALIESIN AND EVITEL MADE A VIDEO ON HIGH ELVES! SUPPORTING THEIR INCLUSION FOR ALLIANCE! It's Time For High Elves Taliesin made the video with the purpose of disproving High Elves, BUT after researching as he was making it, he realized that they actually do qualify as an Alliance Allied Race. Here are all his criteria that High Elves meet listed as is in the video: 1. Are they a different enough race to existing playable options? - CHECK 2. Are there enough of them? - CHECK 3. Are they relevant? - CHECK 4. Do they look different enough? - CHECK (4th not an essential criteria: not met by all other allied races) The last 6 minutes of the video where he discusses why Void Elves were the wrong answer for High Elf fans and how Void Elves do not meet the criteria that all other allied races meet. Taliesin even mentions The Alurna Manifest of High Elves and showcases his argument for High Elves by presenting the fan art concepts done by our High Elf supporters! I think Blizzard consider this our playable High Elf and there's no doubt that having Void Elves, having these models as Alliance options definitely makes it feel like the 'genuine' High Elves people want are less likely than ever. This [Void Elves] feels like an answer.....except it doesn't though, does it? And making this video has made me realize why: I wanted to make a very fair and even-handed case for each argument, for and against, Alliance High Elves to help myself decide as much as anything. So I created this list of criteria that I think the Alliance races all share to see if High Elves could fit in with that, and as we've seen they do fit those criteria. But I've come to realize, Void Elves don't. NEW April 5th, 2018: WE'VE BEEN NOTICED MY HIGH ELVEN BRETHREN AND LADIES! GET TO THEORYCRAFTING BOYS AND GIRLS! WoW Battle for Azeroth Dev Interview - Islands and Wrathion Time: 4:13-5:10 (End where High Elves are mentioned)! Perculia: And you've kinda touched on this before, but talking about the Golden Blood Elves a lot of players were really surprised to see that. Especially because Ion at the past Q&A just said it wasn't really a top priority to do customization for older races, so that was really cool to see. Are more little touch-ups like that on the way and was the Golden Blood Elf Eyes something that was a long time coming?.. Or just - it was really funny timing seeing it appear right after it was said it wasn't a priority. Jeremy Feasel "Muffinus": Yeah so as with anything on the World of Warcraft team, the things that we announce and say at Blizzcon may change significantly over the course of the year. I think what we're finding is that we love the ability to add more player customization options, it's super cool. We found that players have been responding very positive to it. So we'd like to continue doing although we don't have anything to announce quite yet. We would love to hear all of your ideas! Please post them on the forums, let us know what you'd like to see. -Points and looks at camera- It's High Elves :) Note: PLEASE extend the thread cap! We don't want to spam the forums with multiple versions of these threads, just a singular place to discuss the topic! Thank you! Reason for this thread: At Blizzcon, the WoW developers asked the community to provide feedback and suggestions on future Allied Races they'd like to see - this is ours! Purpose of this thread: Brainstorming ideas how to EVENTUALLY implement and diversify High Elves, so they don't step on Blood Elves' toes. We will be discussing model alterations, idle stance, animations, customization options, class selection, as well as their overall culture and story. We fully understand that if HE do happen, it won't be any time soon. Probably not until every baseline race gets an Allied Race counterpart (i.e. Worgen>Sethrak; Goblin>Vulpera). Goals of this thread: Aid Blizzard in the eventual implementation of a High Elf Allied Race, in a way that is most acceptable for the majority of the WoW community by providing ideas and suggestions. We do not want "Blood Elves on the Alliance" - those are Void Elves. We do not want to "take away an Allied Race slot" - we are aiming for further down the line, after everyone else has taken their turn. Please note: These threads have been going on for quite some time, and most of the arguments have already been had quite extensively. The below are some examples of the most common, and while people are free to post what they like, anyone making these arguments will likely not get a response. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FAQs/Common Counterarguments: “Aren’t High Elves Just Blood Elves With Blue Eyes?” Leaving the lore differences aside, model-wise, currently, yes. Blizzard has a long track record of having less developed models for races that are not currently playable. If made playable, it is very likely that these models would see some kind of revisiting to further differentiate them from Blood Elves, similar to tweaks Nightborne got in comparison to Night Elves. Common suggestions have been: changing the idle stances and animations, which would change the silhouette, a more “human”-like model modified from the current Human or Night Elf models, slimmed down, or customization specific traits like tattoos, war paints, or distinct hairstyle choices, among others. “There aren’t enough High Elves left, I thought?” The Silver Covenant, the militarized organization of Dalaran High Elves (which have recently been clarified as being more numerous than once thought), have been present for many of the Alliance’s military operations in the past several expansions and have consistently fielded numbers that would suggest there are plenty of them left. Similarly, Quel’Danil lodge in the Hinterlands and the Allerian Stronghold in Outland both show other independently organized High Elf forces that are not suffering in numbers. In addition, Stormwind has its own High Elf population. There is more than enough evidence to suggest High Elves have enough numbers to be appropriate for an Allied Race, especially compared to what has been shown as appropriate for other examples such as the Lightforged or the Void Elves. Source: In-game representation, out of game official canon text such as Chronicle Vol 3 “I don’t want to see any more elves in this game!” This is a subjective opinion, and a valid one, but not a reasonable argument against other people’s ability to ask for what they would also subjectively like to see. "What about Void Elves?” Void Elves were specifically and deliberately set up as being recent exiles from Silvermoon among the Blood Elf population. Their presence does not continue the separate High Elf story in any way and thus is not a reason for them not to be added. “High Elves = Blood Elves = Void Elves” Both the in-game lore and the out of game official canon texts have very clearly set up the Thalassian elves as a split people, and the themes of mutual High Elf and Blood Elf resentment for each other is what led to the creation of the Silver Covenant in the first place. Furthermore, Chronicle has drawn further attention to the fact on some level this split was in the process of happening before Kael’Thas even renamed those who followed him to Blood Elves: tensions existed between the High Elves who chose to live in Dalaran and those who lived in Silvermoon, the latter considering the former to prefer the company of humans over the love of their own homeland. Sources: In-game representation and lore as presented through Alliance questing, as well as out-of-game official canon text such as Chronicle Vol 3. “High Elves will cause population bleed on Horde side.” Considering Allied Races have so far required extra steps, such as having a max level character on the appropriate faction and gating behind reputations, along with the fact that Allied Races also have restricted class options (Death Knight and Demon Hunter are both very popular classes and would likely not be available), this outcome is unlikely. Adding to that, the fact that Horde edges out Alliance population-wise slightly at max level, and the fact that Void Elves, which brought the Blood Elf model to the Alliance to begin with, did not impact overall faction balance, and this is very likely not a very serious concern. Above ^ summary made by the lovely Tabasa-Earthen Ring~Mythlos2366 2m
2m I actually hate the Alliance I just started doing Insurrection for the first and just before the assault on Suramar City here are the three Elven leaders and a summary of their thoughts: LIadrin: "My heart goes out to the shal'dorei for the curse that ails them." Tyrande: "I can't believe I'm wasting my time fighting for mana addicts." Windrunner: "I will never trust the horde, nor you." Good to see that the only race that gives a [expletive] about someone other than themselves are the blood elves. The funniest bit is that the Alliance wants more racist bigots to join their ranks (High Elves). I hope you get them and I really hope the Horde gets to invade Stormwind and put an end to the Alliance's charade as cosmic good-doers who are actual scum of Azeroth. PS. Glad to see Teldrassil burnt to a crisp, I hope we get to do the same to all of the Alliance capitals. PPS. I hope Sylvanas raises the corpses of your leaders after we plague bomb all your cities. :)))Noraelari154 2m
2m No War in Warcraft? I dont really get the whole " Why are the Alliance and Horde fighting again? Dont force me into this conflict." trend. I mean I know people love to jump on board of an edgy stance and get all blustery. But we are playing Warcraft. From its earliest onset the game has been about the battle against the "other side". So what, if in a perfect world, the two sides could probably settle their score at the negotiation table. Thats true of the real world as well. Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to how many wars are currently being waged? fantasy world are an exagerated and tilded refection of the real world. If "We" cant get it right, how can we expect an Undead Banshee and a 19 year old kid to get it right? Peace , rainbows and butterflies are great but that doesnt always happen, especially in a fantasy battle game based on the concept of "Orcs vs Humans". Dont worry, in a few years (probably by the end of BfA) we will all realize that there is a common enemy that we must rise up against and defeat. -Yay unity!-Until then either roll with the storyline that we are going to be competing for resources against each other to strengthen our faction or dont roll with it. (take a break for this expac) I hope people can put aside their desire to have the story go as they would like it to go and just try to enjoy it for what it is! :-DNormercy58 2m
2m Rate the Transmog above you Annndddddd go!Tiberias4 2m
3m Why are we leveling from 110 to 120? In the way from 110 to 120 we're losing abilities, artifact traits (at 8.0), and legendaries. What do we get from leveling up this time? What's the purpose of each level?Klaide62 3m
3m How many 110's do you have? I'm up to 14, soon to be 15 though(have one at 107) I have all classes @ 110 + 2nd priest, 2nd rogue. Though my 2nd rogue was my free BFA boostIsabel6 3m
3m Can people who complain about LFR Just don't click on it and let people play how they want! -Thank you Edited: Removed inappropriate context - Forum ModGinsuknives104 3m
3m Why Azerite Armor? What's the point of it? It's just a lesser version of our artifact weapons. It's a smaller talent tree that has no abilities that you level up with your necklace getting Azerite (AF power). They just don't seem to hold a candle to AF weps...Why not just continue the Wep system, resetting the AF power and add more unique skins? Example: Paladin (Ashbringer) Add a hammer model or a pole arm model. And I know that the Azerite system is there to replace the legendary random drop system and titan forge, but it's still an unimaginative replacement that does not feel amazing to experience.Agrus19 3m
3m NO to Alliance High Elves as a Playable Race This is part 5! ... FAQ I'm making this FAQ based on discussions from previous threads and this one. I'll try to include the most important ones. Q: Why don't we just post in the "Playable High Elf" threads? A: Because it's a thread to support playable high elves, and bumping it makes it look like we agree with it. It's not a discussion thread, and the players there are actively hostile to disagreement. It's easier to show the numbers of disagreement by keeping a second thread running. Q: How is more elves bad for the game? A: Because there are already 4 distinct elves available to play and it homogenizes the entire game. There's no call for more elves, there just isn't. The game's population is already terribly imbalanced in favor of elves. Horde population was immensely underpopulated until the Blood Elves were introduced. I would say a high majority of the players of any MMO aren't there for the story or the lore. They create whatever toon looks better to them. There is a large plurality of Horde population that are only there for the "pretty" elves. Right now the factions are roughly balanced. Humans are pretty much equal or just behind Blood Elves in population. Then Night Elves. Then Orcs are about half of Night Elf population. Giving another pretty elf with no other texture changes would massively swing the population balance. This is fairly undeniable with the race spread as it is now. Even looking at the distribution of humans and belfs, you have to admit that if you stack another "pretty" elf race on Alliance, you are going to swing the needle significantly. This is bad for balance and for both factions, but of course the Horde will mostly suffer here. Q: Why would High Elves affect the Horde players? A: You can't smack some new customizations, toss the race on the opposite side and expect no backlash. How would people feel if Lightforged Draenei had ended up in the Horde? Alliance players would be upset, and with a good reason. I'm not saying that the way the implemented LF (as I'm using them as example) was the best, but if they did something like that with DI or LF, people would be outraged. Q: We already have your model, why can't we use them again? A: Yes, we lost the model, but that doesn't mean we have to lose it again. No side should be given the opposite side's model again. And no, that doesn't make them neutral, they were modified. Sure, VE could use even more modifications, much like Nightborne got, to make them more distinct. But the damage it's done, no need to make it even worse. Q: What about pandaren? A: High Elves/Blood Elves were not introduced as neutral over 10 years ago. Just because they did it once, and with a race they were just introduced with the specific point of them being neutral, doesn't mean they should make a race that has been established on one side neutral. Q: Why doesn't the Horde want the Alliance to have nice things?? A: We don’t care what the Alliance get as long as it does not come at the expense of the Horde again. The people who are against High Elves are NOT against the Alliance getting cool stuff to play. The Alliance has had a lot of requests for Vykrul, Sethrak, Wildhammer Dwarves, Jinyu and other such races, and I have not seen massive threads where the Horde players push back on this. Also, some Alliance players also support this thread. ...Asotcha169 3m
4m Removal of tier sets First of all this is a post for those of you who don't want to see tier sets going. If your happy with this change in the new expansion stop reading now. So as you all know blizzard is removing tier sets in BFA. They have stated that they do not like how it limits your choices in terms of gear slots. I suspect it might have more to do with the fact people are going back to older tiers hoping for a high titanforge on those bonuses that might benefit them more than the current tier. This creates a balancing nightmare. Since blizzard wants to keep their precious titanforging around this would also obviously be a problem in BFA. However there is a way of keeping both. The answer is already in the game... Think back to Wrath of the Lich King, more precisely the pvp gear appearances. The philosophy then was to start off with fairly bland looking gear and with each new season the sets would gain more detail. So by the last season the sets were looking really good. Just apply this to the tier bonuses now. For example, the first tier set would do X. Then the next tier would do X and Y. And so on.This way there would be a sort of linear progression to the tier sets with each new raid. There would be no reason for players to go back to older tiers and rolling the dice over and over. This would also help keep raiding relevant VS doing mythic keystones. Anyway this is just the ramblings of some body who doesn't want to see tier sets gone. Thoughts? (BTW I apologize if someone has already mentioned something like this, i don't frequent the forums often)Liekki35 4m
7m My take away from the level scaling. I am doing it once and it is painful. If future allied races also start at level 20 I am telling you right now. I will not level another. The entire time it feels like an endless grind with no power gain. I never feel stronger and I never feel overwhelmed because of the scaling. On this character I am actually level 70 and not sure why my portrait didn't update but I have zero motivation right now to level further. Especially if it is going to keep on being more of the same. The only thing I have liked this entire time is more freedom over where I can go to level and how long the area is relevant. But it isn't any fun. Shouldn't FUN be first priority? Leveling is a long enough process without making it boring. Sure I am doing this on a new realm which doesn't help but thanks to the CRZ and phasing I am not even getting to find people from my own realm to work with. Once in awhile random people help kill something or I will help them but it ends there. No thanks or second thought given. It really is a shame. The entire time I leveled this time I looked back on Vanilla and thought about everything missing. About everything that has actually been made worse with all these attempts to make it better. Just going 1 to 60 in Vanilla I met and got to know some amazing people. Some I even still know today. I didn't say one word to a single person going from 20 to 60. Not even my fault. The game never created the need to require it. In fact a dungeon was the only reason I needed to speak with anyone and that was just to make sure we all finished the quests. Then off and another group of people I may or may never see again thanks to a system removing any need to develop a person to person friendship with anyone. So hands down this new world scaling has only helped to make leveling even worse then it was. At least the way it was I got to feel like I was progressing and getting stronger. Rather have that over this any day. Hell maybe even the freedom of choice. A toggle to turn the world scaling off would be nice. This just isn't fun on any level for me and I hope others agree. If you don't or do agree I would love your feedback. Right now unless the new allied races start at level 100+ they are just not something I will bother with ever again in a world that is no fun to play in.Illustrial0 7m
10m What class/spec is your Void Elf? I caved and made one. Purely to be a Shadow Priest. I have a female Draenei Priest that's Holy, and a Blood Elf Priest that's Disc. But nothing screamed "Void Elf" then a Shadow Priest - which is the spec of Priest I've never playedAvakinz28 10m
11m Leveling is a disaster now. Please fix it. It's broken in many many ways. I like the change to the zones, so people can experience the zone stories because all of them are pretty unique, but a lot of quests are just extremely broken. Loot a specific item from mobs that have a long re spawn or the drop is just rare. Not to mention the rescaling of the mobs is just plain wrong. Some classes like monk can get to pull 15+ mobs and not care because they will heal back to full with the orbs that mobs would drop after death and coincidentally their first of fury is a pretty good cleave ability. But then you have priest. Holy Priest is literally better for leveling because you have a reliable form of cleave, you can't pull more than two mobs though because it will take 2 hours to kill. Shadow Priest can't pull more than 2 mobs because they will die. This is not enjoyable, this is absolutely awful and leveling sucks now. Please fix this.Lankyvelf103 11m
15m What' the point? Tons of posts lately about changes coming up.. Great points and counter points in both directions, mostly good posts with good info. People who are upset and people who are excited. But that is not why I am posting this. Staying out of whatever side of the conflict I am on, I am just noticing a general theme of change - to almost every aspect of the game. Whether it be GCD, pruning, leveling, plot, racial abilities, artifacts, progression items, in game currency, materials, character models, you name it. It is all changing no matter your or my opinion on it. I preordered BFA, I don't regret it. I will end up playing it eventually. How much I will play it is TBD, but I will be playing it. However, I am so far behind in legion I will likely not see a single allied race before BFA drops which I am seeing as the only benefit to the pre-order. So my question is, Blizz, what is the point of playing your game for the next few months? Any progression I make will be in vain, every item I collect will be useless outside of transmog, every character I create is more of a slog than it was previously. I get this is normal for end of expansion, but you made the content mentally impossible and redundant to go through even if I wanted to do it in vain - again. Edit: I do want to make it very clear.. I am not complaining about specific changes. I am not dreading BFA, I love new content. I am stating that if you change everything in a game when you are on the 7th expansion, you are making the void in between expansions even more redundant and painful than any time before and eliminating the purpose for the presence of anything that came before it.Varulverke22 15m
17m Allied Race Change. The Unanswered Question. So I get if I race change from something to an allied race, the heritage armour wouldn't be unlocked.. but, what if an allied race that levelled to 110, race changed to a normal race? What happens to their heritage armour eligibility? Are they just unable to transmog into it, but still have it unlocked for that specific allied race still? What if they're wearing it as a transmog when they race change.. the world must know.Psyren1 17m
17m Suggestion: Turtleneck Shirts! Hello! I am on a mission given to me by @BlizzardCS from Twitter to suggest to you fine folks of these forums that we get turtleneck shirts! I want them! Specifically sleeveless turtlenecks but any and all turtlenecks of varying shapes, sizes, and colors would be amazing! Right now BfA transmog has some SUPER COOL turtleneck chest armors for leather and that gets me SO STOKED but what would be EVEN COOLER would be more color and sleeve variety! And as shirts, we could mix and match to even greater degrees with all manner of chest pieces! Just imagine how comfy we could all be if we had turtlenecks guys. *Imagine.*Sereven45 17m
17m Did Garona And Mediev Have A Son? Canonically, Med'an had nothing to do with being guardian. But that doesn't mean he doesn't exist in the WoW canon does it? The question I have is; Did Garona and Medivh have a son canonically? Or has their relationship also been retconned? Did Blizzard scrub Med'an's entire existence from the canon? Or is was it just his role as Guardian that was retconned?Pearbutter23 17m
18m Why didn't we get this? Not only do Arcane Mages get the /point /laugh treatment by seeing a beautiful staff in their class hall that should have been their hidden appearance... I just found (in TRP icon searching) that they have the icon for it AND the name-- Aegwyn's Staff. Yet we never got this appearance??? Shenanigans. I call them. Blizzard, can we PLEASE have the appearance we should have gotten instead of an insane sheep's head on a stick??Thallia31 18m
18m Heroquest is the best game ever made FACTøm2 18m
20m WPvP in Orgrimmar Just want to share, on Tortheldrin (and whatever else connecting servers were there -- saw a few i didn't recognize) yesterday evening, a group of about 10 or so Alliance dropped into Orgimmar's Valley of Strength and had their way. I first want to thank those Alliance that participated as that tops my list of favorite random things that can happen in this game. What was disappointing for a bit of time though is the local chat in Org saying it's a waste of time to fight them off, WPvP hasn't been good for over a decade, what's the point?, I hope they get what they came for, etc. Instead of fighting and defending the city. I get that PvP is not everyone's cup of tea, and if it can be avoided, people will avoid it. So i'm going to leave it at that. This lasted for about 10 minutes despite me trying to get a group together to defend. A group eventually formed and we were able to defend. I for one thoroughly enjoyed it. Brought me back to when i first started and didn't realize cities could be raided until i saw it first hand.Zeptuul7 20m
22m "Stand as One" A phrase shouted by King Anduin in the BfA cinematic. In my opinion this should be used as the Alliance battery instead of “For the Alliance” which is clearly a direct rip off of the Horde. Agree?Aedora25 22m
22m Midwest Weather How is everybody in the midwest enjoying our "spring" weather? Ohio has been hit with a nice 70F day, that quickly turned into 40F with heavy rain, which keeps going back and fourth. I just want spring damnit :(Chookxo15 22m
22m Why is everyone mad at Sylvanas? I don't see what's wrong with what she did in the cinematic. In war, you occasionally have to sacrifice your own people to save countless others. Her blighting of UC was really smart because it's like the scorched earth technique from WW2 (what the USSR did to prevent Germany from gaining a permanent foothold in their land). As for her raising her own dead as skeletons, what's the big deal? It's not like they have a soul or anything as skeletons, so I don't see what the problem is. Plus, she sounded the horn before blighting UC so any soldiers who stayed on knew they would die for their homeland. All these orcish values of "honour" are so last season, in order to gain tactical victories, you need to make hard choices. The Alliance may have won the battle but they wasted resources battling for a land that was blighted aka unusable. As for the killing of civilians, meh. They were of the opposing faction and it's not like the alliance doesn't kill civilians either. The purge of Dalaran (when not all blood elves were guilty), druids of the claw and SI:7 killing civilians fleeing from UC and the killing of goblin miners in Silithus are just a few examples. Sylvanas had every right to start the war as the Alliance (Genn) attempted to assassinate her while both factions were at peace and they literally stole resources that the Horde had found in Silithus. Why wouldn't she start a war against the people who stole such important resources? I'm not a huge Sylvanas fan but all the hate against her seems pretty unjustified.Dekala165 22m
23m Vanilla? Why is there so much nostalgia for vanilla wow? What made it so good?Kelu85 23m
25m Changes to WoD raid loot drops Has anyone else noticed a difference in the way WoD raids drop loot since the reset? Last week I could have sworn I was getting 2 pieces per boss on normal/heroic difficulties, and it wasn't guaranteed stuff for my class. This week, it's now 1 piece per boss and spec-specific. I know the WoD dungeons have behaved this way for quite some time, but never the raids. I've only done BRF so far, but it could be occurring in the other raids too.Mccredible0 25m
26m What are the easiest weeks for alt +15s? I'm talking like 930-940 range. I assume it will depend on the role. Basically I need to get a +15 done on another 11 classes and I'm kind of impatient, so I don't really want to gear them up to the point that ilvl can easily carry them through it and I probably don't play all of the as well as I should. I guess also which dungeons should I am for? This week's don't really interact with each other, so I assume it should be a pretty easy week. I don't really know which ones are considered more difficult though, especially with regards to non-DPS roles.Nixxea6 26m
27m Are Daily Heroic Essence runs permanent? Just lost the other thread I made about it. Thanks Bliz. Its getting old right abouuuuuuuut NOW. Are the daily 30 essence runs permanent or just until BfA? Just trying to decide whether to keep bothering to run as healer in heroic. Tanks who are just there for essences dont seem to care if they split the party up so that the straggler DPS is way behind and ends up getting killed. When im having to run back and rez the same player twice, maybe its time to slow down a little? Not sure if he was playing a DK or what but one player was seriously having a hard time keeping up with what I guess were maybe three monks, not including myself. it was actually taking longer to do the run than if we'd just kept together and kept everyone healed up than it was with someone dying and having to take the time to run back and rez them because they were way out of healing range, but the tank obviously didnt care and just kept running, so I got tired of it and pulled and did my essence run as WW instead just to get it over with. Are essence runs in heroic here to stay?Wassabi5 27m
27m Friendly Reminder: Post History Still Broken We're closing in on a month since my last recorded post (Jan 3) and all we've been told is that it's "low priority." How low is that, exactly? Can we get a status update?Sneakisneaki442 27m
29m Horde Silvermoon as a playable city! Disclaimer: I'm legit not trolling. People are asking this and people are asking for that. (It's high elves) Well I want a functioning silvermoon city gosh darnit. Let's post some ideas about what we think blizzard can do to make Silvermoon great. I suggest a few things: Adding portals equivalent to orgrimmar portals Adding transmog vendors Another auction house Barber shop Fix the broken part of the city please just copy pasta some assets I don't care Lastly, work some more copy paste magic to make the city look decent from above and ADD FLYING Create an invisible barrier so that you can't just fly your happy butt to Outland from silvermoon Thanks for listening(reading) Edit* i realize part of silvermoon city is a starting zone. If they can phase undercity and darnassus, they can phase silvermoon. ... For my Alliance friends ^ all things above applied to exodar as wellAdregore69 29m
29m Horde has better Allied races HORDE GETS -Upright, ultra tribal, bad !@#$, dinosaur riding, thunder trolls! -The nobility of the nightborne (Basically MUCH more interesting nightelves) with rich lore in-game and out. Architecture and style that is next to none seen so far in WoW (best city ever imo) -Tauren with horns so big, even illidan is jelly. Equipped with WAR paint that makes demon hunters tats look like 1999's drunk mistake. Ally gets -Some blue bloodelfs (please take the normal ones while you're at it) -Some crispy looking dwarves with yellow eyes -Some yellow themed Draenei that picked up the pieces of Xe'ra and glued them to their foreheads. I mean, why even be Ally anymore Join the Horde today! #BattleForAzerothAlreadyWonRanroe37 29m
30m $0.01 or $1,000,000 Question Would you take 1 Cent, doubled every day (1 penny on day one, 2 on day two, 4 on day 3...ect) for 30 days or take an instant $1,000,000? Which would you choose?Ivylena22 30m
31m Rate the tmog you know what to doSlatyr6 31m