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It's kind of funny that we're talking about gating content behind some "test." In the old days of gaming, the test was in obtaining the higher levels. Just goes to show you how watered down today's gaming is.
09/27/2013 08:58 AMPosted by Mirisanelle
Silver was pretty simple to complete, so I agree. You should at least be able to do silver to do a LRF.


Telling millions of players "do this test or else be locked out of content" is ..unwise. Wixch is why it will never happen.


Could make it optional.

min ilvl is x without silver, y with silver.

x should be doable if you get every single pre-raid upgrade possible. y should be significantly easier gearing.
Barathos: I have seen fully gemmed, enchanted and reforged raiders hit a boss one night and down it in one swoop.. a week later they wipe all night..on the same boss.

As for a system, we have one already. Its called the kick.

BTW it doesnt worry me as I am not touching PG either way. Optional content means I can do it if I like...and it doesnt interest me. So not doing it.


I have too, but I don't understand how normal raids = lfr in terms of difficulty.

Unfortunately, certain people have "kick" protection, because they keep getting kicked. It just happens, and there's no way to move around it.

And LFR is also optional, so locking it behind PG Silver wouldn't be much of an issue as it is optional. It literally takes about 30 minutes to a hour to complete up to Silver, and if you can't beat the test then... I guess no LFR until you do. =/
And LFR is also optional, so locking it behind PG Silver wouldn't be much of an issue as it is optional. It literally takes about 30 minutes to a hour to complete up to Silver, and if you can't beat the test then... I guess no LFR until you do. =/


..and lock a large percentage of players out of endgame content.

Great idea.

Either way you will be FORCING them to do PG whether they want to or not. Telling people "do this because its mandatory" wont get you the kind of response you think it will.

They cant do flex owing to time issues, same for norm/ heroics, now they wont get to see the current raids unless they do this "mandatory test"..oh I can see this ending well.....
It's kind of funny that we're talking about gating content behind some "test." In the old days of gaming, the test was in obtaining the higher levels. Just goes to show you how watered down today's gaming is.


You know, you can do that with a single player game... you can have your difficulty levels and even cheat codes. Not so with wow
09/27/2013 09:05 AMPosted by Mirisanelle
And LFR is also optional, so locking it behind PG Silver wouldn't be much of an issue as it is optional. It literally takes about 30 minutes to a hour to complete up to Silver, and if you can't beat the test then... I guess no LFR until you do. =/


..and lock a large percentage of players out of endgame content.

Great idea.

Either way you will be FORCING them to do PG whether they want to or not. Telling peopkle "do this because its mandatory" wont get you the kind of response you think it will.


It's a better idea than sitting in a LFR for 4-5 hours hoping to get a boss down, because if I leave, I know I'll have the same group composition for some ridiculous reason. -_-
And LFR is also optional, so locking it behind PG Silver wouldn't be much of an issue as it is optional. It literally takes about 30 minutes to a hour to complete up to Silver, and if you can't beat the test then... I guess no LFR until you do. =/


My answer Up yours! Cancelling all my accounts.
09/27/2013 09:02 AMPosted by Barathos
Unfortunately, certain people have "kick" protection, because they keep getting kicked. It just happens, and there's no way to move around it


This is true and shows they most likely enjoy misbehaving in group content and will likely continue to do so therefore requiring them to have a PG achievement will do nothing to curb their behavior and you still won't be able to kick them.
It's a better idea than sitting in a LFR for 4-5 hours hoping to get a boss down, because if I leave, I know I'll have the same group composition for some ridiculous reason.


I've been doing LFR since it started and this has never once happened to me. Sounds like the issue isnt LFR..it's your server.
09/27/2013 09:13 AMPosted by Mirisanelle
It's a better idea than sitting in a LFR for 4-5 hours hoping to get a boss down, because if I leave, I know I'll have the same group composition for some ridiculous reason.


I've been doing LFR since it started and this has never once happened to me. Sounds like the issue isnt LFR..it's your server.


Except LFR is cross server, so that's obviously not the case, and I've also been doing LFR since it came out and suffered from these exact issues back in DS.

This is true and shows they most likely enjoy misbehaving in group content and will likely continue to do so therefore requiring them to have a PG achievement will do nothing to curb their behavior and you still won't be able to kick them.


I see the PG as what it is, a PROVING ground, where you actually have to understand your class to beat it. If you don't, then you can't past the test. Thus, I think it's a good idea to implement into the LFR proving process. People are already gated out due to iLvl, so saying "oh yeah! Gate them out, that's a great idea!" don't seem to realize that it's already gated.
Stockings: Just bear this very much in mind: WOW aint the only game in town. Players these days have a low BS threshhold, and if a game gets to be more trouble than its worth..bye bye.

There are plenty of other MMO's out there that wont put them through that kind of hassle.

More flies with honey...you dig?

But essentially in Wildstar, you learn how to play as you play, the system teaches you by playing. Here is a good video explaining why this kind of design is good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FpigqfcvlM


So it teaches by playing. Good. Is Wildstar going to then tell the people who are already playing and know the game that they will gate content behind a "test" telling them they have to prove they are "competent" to be able to play?

You do realise what the reply will be?

I dont think so Tim.
09/27/2013 09:08 AMPosted by Magnata
And LFR is also optional, so locking it behind PG Silver wouldn't be much of an issue as it is optional. It literally takes about 30 minutes to a hour to complete up to Silver, and if you can't beat the test then... I guess no LFR until you do. =/


My answer Up yours! Cancelling all my accounts.


Do you always throw a tantrum when you don't get your way? Are you 3?

This is the problem with gaming today. People are so quick to hostility, instead of just welcoming a challenge. It's no wonder there are so many terrible players in this game.
09/27/2013 09:08 AMPosted by Magnata
And LFR is also optional, so locking it behind PG Silver wouldn't be much of an issue as it is optional. It literally takes about 30 minutes to a hour to complete up to Silver, and if you can't beat the test then... I guess no LFR until you do. =/


My answer Up yours! Cancelling all my accounts.


Bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out. :)
I don't believe that you have never ever got a bad LFR group in your entirety of playing it since it came out in 4.3. That just sounds utterly impossible.


To you maybe.

Its true nonetheless.

In all my LFR runs from incept to today, I have NEVER ONCE been in an LFR that wiped for five hours.

Not once. Ever.

Barathos: If that reply comes from a lot of players, and this was your game, I doubt you'd be that glib or dismissive.
Silver maybe but GOLD wave 10 seems impossible.

I came close like 50 times at wave 10 on the last 2 GIANTS and died. Used winter, IBF, and the entire works and that last wave 10 is just too much to handle for me. I come close though. REALLLLLLL close.

My next move is to get EPICS with tons of sockets so when it SCALES I have the extra HP to help.

I am thinking people who have the best EPICS, gems and most sockets will have an advantage at GOLD.

Damn.

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