Frost Mage duels as a rogue

Rogue
Recently I have been dueling many frost mages in duels. I am a casual player who believes that a rogue CAN beat a mage of any talent specialization one on one.

Frost opener as Dance. Premed-->sap-->garrote--->(no white hits)---> KS--->Dance to force the block.

Frost opener as Mutilate---> Sap--> Vendetta--> garrote--> Mutilate---> (Trinket nova?)---> KS--->(blink)vanish--->sprint--->sap / garrote.

I am looking for more detail on how to open or open better for the situation at hand when playing a frost mage.

Thanks,

QT
Stay stealthed. You will never die.
Not unless they have a pet.
Most Mages always have a pet now -.-"
best way to kill a frost mage - have a feral druid do it for you
Without pots, the mut rogue is going to have a much harder time than the sub rogue. Mutilate's biggest weakness is being easy to kite.
I open as Sap > garrote > CB mut > Rup > mut > kidney (after the silence wears off and they blink)

Atm on Live garrote + rupture PLUS venomous wounds ticking with BOTH bleeds is pretty insane damage. Plus you get energy back from rupture. With those dots alone plus deadly poison they will panick and ice block before too long. No need to waste cloak or vanish before then. Unless you them setting up for burst. Ice lance hits like a truck atm.
Without pots, the mut rogue is going to have a much harder time than the sub rogue. Mutilate's biggest weakness is being easy to kite.


I don't reckon, at least not on live right now.
Without pots, the mut rogue is going to have a much harder time than the sub rogue. Mutilate's biggest weakness is being easy to kite.


I don't reckon, at least not on live right now.


Mut only has 2 chances to get out of a freeze. If you blow both vanish and CoS before you can take him out then you're screwed. Sub gives you a Get of Jail Free card. Plus vanish isn't even a guarantee anymore since it seems like everything out there can see thru your stealth now.
Without pots, the mut rogue is going to have a much harder time than the sub rogue. Mutilate's biggest weakness is being easy to kite.


I don't reckon, at least not on live right now.


Mut only has 2 chances to get out of a freeze. If you blow both vanish and CoS before you can take him out then you're screwed. Sub gives you a Get of Jail Free card. Plus vanish isn't even a guarantee anymore since it seems like everything out there can see thru your stealth now.


True sub has more ways to escape but that doesn't mean mut is behind. 2 is enough. Don't forget that if you apply your dots that you are doing damage while being cc'd, you don't have to break cc as soon as it hits you. Wait and see what he does first.

And don't quote me on this, but I think anyone can see you in vanish for those 3 seconds of immunity. At least everytime I have targetted a rogue (without vendetta) and he's vanished, my target dropped but I was still able to see them.
Vanish doesn't make you invisible.


What a world.
I think the changes to the talent system is what has really screwed up rogues lately more than anything else.
True Jet, I miss my hybrid assassin/sub spec for pvp =( Frost mages are pwning my face right now. I've taken way to many 13k hits from that Ice Lance BS
Its not easy, but it gets more even from the videos I've seen of beta.
I always shiv crip after I open with garrote so he isn't going very far when he snares me

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