WoD Capitals Changed 15 - Monday has cometh.

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PSA! :, stop responding / quoting people who just come in here to stir up trouble.
If they have a differing opinion, and aren't insulting you for not sharing it, welcome them and ask for their reasoning behind their decision
if the faces we've seen in quite a few of these threads who have yet to remove their fingers from their ears, they won't


if you REALLY feel the urge to, quote them, and remove their name from the post to deny them coverage.

Most important part of these threads is to show Blizzard why you’re angry about the decision of changing our capitals (Bladespire Citadel and Karabor) to Ashran Hubs. Be respectful to each other, no trolling, this is serious business, if we want Blizzard to hear us we must be really carefull about what we’re writing. Most important thing: Respect each other! :)

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WoD Capitals Changed 16: WoD = 6.0 not 5.1
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Please note a possible solution:
There is a compromise that has been suggested by numerous posters, have both Ashran Bases and Temple of Karabor/Bladespire Citadel as Hubs. They will both offer Trade Chat, AH, Bank, Ethereal Vendores, Portals to at least Stormwind/Orgrimmar. The key difference between the two will be that the Ashran Hubs will be more PvP-focused, and contain PvP-oriented vendors/quests, while Temple of Karabor/Bladespire Citadel will be more PvE-focused and contain PvE-oriented vendors/quests.

PS: If you find a new Youtube video, a new article, an important thread in another well-known forum, write it in bold. If it’s not in the main thread, we will add it. Thank you, and good luck everyone!

(whoever makes the next thread, please ensure both EU links, the Brazilian link, the Spanish link and the Beta US link are both current and have not created sequels + please update the thread with new information from posters (polls, articles from known sites, videos, etc.))

Current US Beta topic:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13273197249

Current EU topics:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11043804612 and http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11044104733?page=2

Current Brazilian topic:
http://us.battle.net/wow/pt/forum/topic/13272817298?page=1

Current Spanish topic:
http://us.battle.net/wow/es/forum/topic/13272407320

Our friends at mmo-champion:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1542025-Karabor-and-Bladespire-are-no-longer-our-Capital-hubs

Our friends at joystiq:
http://wow.joystiq.com/2014/06/28/blizzards-vision-and-player-choice/

Corey Stockton, the lead game designer, tweeted that the faction capitols on Draenor have been changed from the Temple of Karabor and the Bladespire Citadel to the faction Hubs on Ashran.

https://twitter.com/mumper/status/482381728393072641

Ashran is a forced PvP zone, and though you aren't auto-flagged in the "cities" themselves, you will be if you step out of them onto Ashran itself, regardless of server type. The "Don't flag me ever" toggle is in, but they haven't stated whether or not Ashran's nature will override it.

Map of Ashran in the current build, with the Horde capitol up north and the Alliance capitol down south:
http://marlamin.com/minimaps/maps/6.0.1.18471/Ashran.png

Screenshots of Ashran's Hubs:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.698132826889209.1073741826.263296483706181&type=1

Hey Darstine, add this to the OP
Guy named Grimskul provided it in the last thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqR4CqTgMow&list=UUni0hHncayvoNoTd16VtoPA
Alliance at 1:05
Horde at 6:45

Tweet from Holinka stating that the capitols can be invaded:
https://twitter.com/holinka/status/482572120128368640

@mrbeanie45 @SkyShark_X2 It will be possible to invade

Stockton's response:
https://twitter.com/mumper/status/482575134943760384

@JesseGarrett8 No doubt, we did. Just like every BlizzCon where we talk about early design, things change during development.

Tweet from a third party with the video in which they state what the capitols will be, just for the sake of being thorough:
https://twitter.com/JesseGarrett8/status/482540200502243328

Holinka also tweeted that this is full of "Out of date information," but refused to elaborate.

Lore:

Before reading the issue's tweets, I ask you all to respect Lore, insulting him, threatning him, or anything else is not acceptable. Okay you might be pissed but it's totally wrong and not a reason. Please respect the devs, and anyone else that does not share the same point of view as yours. Thank you.
Wrote that because of this: https://twitter.com/CM_Lore/status/483429421907714050

Lore doing damage control:
https://twitter.com/CM_Lore/status/482594950740062208 (Also: LOTS of misinformation and misunderstandings floating around re: faction capitals. I'm working on getting details out ASAP).

https://twitter.com/CM_Lore/status/483149672832573440 (Lore’s other tweet admitting Blizzard never worked on Temple of Karabor and Bladespire Citadel as Faction Hubs even though Blizzard promised it at Blizzcon 2013).

Lore response here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13273197249?page=3#57 (Scroll down or click on small Blizzard image to get to the comment).

Last response concerning the issue from our friend Lore:

"Lore
‏@CM_Lore
@RamHunter2000 @Skeppio @jfirmy We definitely should have communicated the change much sooner, and apologize for that.
Reply Retweet Favorite More
6:17 PM - 29 Jun 2014 "

And

"Lore
‏@CM_Lore
@the_dudes_rug @Kellt_Epic @Velerion @RikuEru "Tell us more!" "Don't tell us so much!" There's no perfect answer.
Reply Retweet Favorite More
5:35 PM - 29 Jun 2014"

Tweets from Nathaniel Chapman , one of the encounter designers mostly saying they make changes we don't like and that they try to listen :

https://twitter.com/pedrothedagger/status/483514157359460352

https://twitter.com/pedrothedagger/status/483514509836185600

https://twitter.com/pedrothedagger/status/483514797204733952

To the community members reading: engage the devs on Twitter if you feel strongly enough, but be professional. No death threats.

Youtube videos to catch up on everything:

BellularGaming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JdkwLfa0k4&list=UUwiaPYufmQOq5F1TI-FzQhw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNOKtnzYbLA&list=UUwiaPYufmQOq5F1TI-FzQhw
Really disappointed that Temple of Karabor and Bladespire Citadel are not our Cities anymore and presents arguments as we did to defend them.

Lolio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgow5iA_HUA

Qelric:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yMZsL30WWw
Full support from Qelric! She posted the hashtags!

Brazilian Community against the change:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIDfqOPvCb4&feature=youtu.be

TheDDGuide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAsM921wqEU
Danger Dolan’s lists this change as number on his video, telling players that he hopes our voices are heard as symbol that Blizzard can listen to the community.

Presentation of Karabor as Capital City for the Alliance and Bladespire Citadel as Capital City for the Horde @ Blizzcon 2013:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TKO3Z_oVac&feature=youtu.be&t=11m27s

Twitter campaign. Copy/paste into your Twitter alias. No death threats. Let's get all this trending:

@Warcraft @BlizzardCS
#SaveKarabor2014
#SaveBladespire2014
#MondayIsComing
#NoMoreCopyPasta
#SaveOurCapitalCities
#Trashran
#WhyCantWeHaveBoth

First thread:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13271477123
Second thread (Why This-aloo): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13271477143
Third thread (I'm Not Good @ Titles): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13271747224
Fourth Thread (A New Hope):
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13273357292?page=1
(Note: Post got expanded, and capped)
Fifth thread:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13271627305
Sixth thread (CapitolGate):
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13272697321
Seventh thread (A Storm of Shields): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13272427359
Eighth thread (#SaveOurCapitalCities): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13273357408?page=1
Ninth thread (Bladespire & Karabor): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13272817447?page=1
Tenth thread (Clash of Capitals): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13271627449?page=1
Eleventh thread (Game of Homes):
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13272427487
Twelfth thread (Not the Help):
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13271747454?page=1
Thirteenth thread (Sunday Edition):
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13273437595
Fourteenth thread (WoW players united!) :
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13273357587

VOTE GUYS ===> POLL HERE : http://strawpoll.me/2002866

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Monday HAS ARRIVED!
It's Monday!

Do you know what that means?!

Neither do I!
Hail to the king, baby!
Edit the use next title out.

THE MONDAY HAS COMETH MY FRIENDS, ONLY TIME AWAITS US TIL THEIR COFFEE IS SPILLED OVER THEIR KEYBOARDS

THE FIGHT LIVES ON!
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#SaveKarabor2014
#SaveBladespire2014
Crap! I may have created a dupe thread after not seeing this one, if it shows up, I'll delete it!
Locations using classic human architecture:

Stormwind
Menethil Harbor
Northwatch Hold
Fort Triumph
Theramore
Hearthglen
Light's Hope Chapel
Nethergarde Keep
Honor Hold
Allerian Stronghold
Valiance Keep
Westguard Keep
Valgarde
Wintergarde Keep
Highbank
Lion's Landing
Alliance Garrison
Fort Copypaste

Locations using holy Draenic architecture:

Karabor

edit - forgot Fort Copypaste. See it's even forgettable in a thread about it!
06/30/2014 12:44 AMPosted by Demonscharge
Edit the use next title out.

THE MONDAY HAS COMETH MY FRIENDS, ONLY TIME AWAITS US TIL THEIR COFFEE IS SPILLED OVER THEIR KEYBOARDS

THE FIGHT LIVES ON!
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#SaveKarabor2014
#SaveBladespire2014


Done and done!
Just to get this out of the way, hopefully people won't keep citing Lore's tweet about the work done on them so often as if it means anything:

Tweet being responded to:
https://twitter.com/CM_Lore/status/483149672832573440

Why it's meaningless:

This isn't as much of an admittance as people are making it out to be since the amenities associated with capital cities are tied to two things:

NPCs and portals.

Karabor, as far as I know, doesn't have any NPCs placed yet (may have changed since I last checked) and Bladespire is still semi-under construction (also caveated with As far as I am aware), so saying that there hasn't been any work done to make them into capital cities isn't as damning as Lore was trying to make it sound.
Showing support!

#OccupyKarabor
Keep the train chugging!

The devs have a crap-storm to face when they check the response to their proposed change!
I'm new to this discussion and haven't followed the threads. This is the first time I've even given thought that I should have a say in where the main city is.

I'll support the cause, but I have a few questions.

1) What is "Monday cometh"? Is this some secret way of saying that you all are going to demand refunds on Monday?

2) If you get Blizzard to change the capital to the promised one, will they have to stop beta and start over?

3) If they have to start over, will you all then be mad and demand refunds because we might have another year of no content?

4) What if there is something else we decide we want to control? Will we do this again?
06/30/2014 12:49 AMPosted by Poppen
06/30/2014 12:43 AMPosted by Destronoma
Hail to the king, baby!


i think we all get how much you support trashran now kindly /shoo, your trolling is tiresome


I'll post in whatever thread I please, thank you!

Also, I neither support nor hate it being in Ashran. I'm indifferent.
06/30/2014 12:51 AMPosted by Cocoa
I'm new to this discussion and haven't followed the threads. This is the first time I've even given thought that I should have a say in where the main city is.

I'll support the cause, but I have a few questions.

1) What is "Monday cometh"? Is this some secret way of saying that you all are going to demand refunds on Monday?

2) If you get Blizzard to change the capital to the promised one, will they have to stop beta and start over?

3) If they have to start over, will you all then be mad and demand refunds because we might have another year of no content?

4) What if there is something else we decide we want to control? Will we do this again?


We don't really want them to put the capital cities somewhere new, we want them to put the cities where they told us they were going to put them onstage at Blizzcon during the developer panel. I hope this helps shed some light on the subject since you seem very easily confused.:)
06/30/2014 12:51 AMPosted by Cocoa
I'm new to this discussion and haven't followed the threads. This is the first time I've even given thought that I should have a say in where the main city is.

I'll support the cause, but I have a few questions.

1) What is "Monday cometh"? Is this some secret way of saying that you all are going to demand refunds on Monday?

2) If you get Blizzard to change the capital to the promised one, will they have to stop beta and start over?

3) If they have to start over, will you all then be mad and demand refunds because we might have another year of no content?

4) What if there is something else we decide we want to control? Will we do this again?


1 - It doesn't mean anything.
2 - Of coarse not.
3 - Don't be ridiculous.
4 - I'm beginning to doubt your sincerity in supporting this.
From Nathaniel Chapman, Encounter Designer @pedrothedagger via Twitter:

wow community peeps: we will probably make decisions you guys don't like. it's cool that you voice your dissatisfaction with those decisions


and honestly we have thick skins. we're not easily hurt. we even hear the real complaints behind hyperbole.


It's just way easier to be heard when your signal to noise ratio is good. So please keep engaging passionately. and, if you can, clearly.
06/30/2014 12:51 AMPosted by Cocoa
I'm new to this discussion and haven't followed the threads. This is the first time I've even given thought that I should have a say in where the main city is.

I'll support the cause, but I have a few questions.

1) What is "Monday cometh"? Is this some secret way of saying that you all are going to demand refunds on Monday?

2) If you get Blizzard to change the capital to the promised one, will they have to stop beta and start over?

3) If they have to start over, will you all then be mad and demand refunds because we might have another year of no content?

4) What if there is something else we decide we want to control? Will we do this again?


1.) essentially, it's when the devs get back in the office, and when quite a few of the supporters who are quitting over this, and a slew of many other cuts are going to do so, yes,

2.) with the state the hubs are in, they'd have to quickly texture the rest of karabor (the interior) and copy-paste NPCs /portals there, which, the texturing is being done either way, so it's a lunch-break's worth of work.

3.) A bit, but we'd be understanding if we were getting things back that were cut for reasons.

4.) If this works, then hells yeah!
06/30/2014 12:53 AMPosted by Nature
06/30/2014 12:51 AMPosted by Cocoa
I'm new to this discussion and haven't followed the threads. This is the first time I've even given thought that I should have a say in where the main city is.

I'll support the cause, but I have a few questions.

1) What is "Monday cometh"? Is this some secret way of saying that you all are going to demand refunds on Monday?

2) If you get Blizzard to change the capital to the promised one, will they have to stop beta and start over?

3) If they have to start over, will you all then be mad and demand refunds because we might have another year of no content?

4) What if there is something else we decide we want to control? Will we do this again?


We don't really want them to put the capital cities somewhere new, we want them to put the cities where they told us they were going to put them onstage at Blizzcon during the developer panel. I hope this helps shed some light on the subject since you seem very easily confused.:)


The best thing and easiest thing we want is for them to leave Ashran the way they proposed but also add portals, vendors and other amenities to Karabor and Bladespire.
06/30/2014 12:54 AMPosted by Kytrielle
4 - I'm beginning to doubt your sincerity in supporting this.

Why is that? Because I have questions?

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