Iron Horde

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The IH must be the most pathetic foe we ever faced. In this patch, we easily annihilate their invasion and quash every single commander. The only reason they capture the horde town was because the soldiers where out attacking some ogres or something and they do not push a single inch beyond the Blasted Lands, except for one army that invaded Blackrock Spire for god knows what reason and then they too get annihilated as well. In the start of the next expansion, the Azerothian onslaught continues with relative ease as we almost wipe out their leadership and defeat them in every way we possibly can despite the fact that we are suppose to be a small squad on a suicide mission. They failed to capture Shattarath, they failed to capture Karabor. Lets compare them to another villain. The LK wiped out an entire human kingdom, decimated 90 per cent of the blood elves and led invasions on both Orgimmar and stormwind (he failed, but that's better then what the IH did)
Iron Horde is mostly a joke, that's why basically as soon as we go to draenor and destroy the portal with a small team of people, the horde and alliance start fighting each other on Ashran. Khadgar is more concerned with Gul'dan than the Iron Horde as well. The entirety of the Iron horde is just like a pointless stepping stone to fighting the legion, like swatting at a fly.
But now we can set right a grievous wrong by going over there to save the AU Draenei's who having a hard time with the Iron Horde.
I'd take them more seriously though if they did more than take out 1 city in the pre-event and if I didn't know most of them are dead a month after release.

Iron Horde are more of a threat to people in their own reality, not so much to us.
10/16/2014 04:21 PMPosted by Threeslotbag
I'd take them more seriously though if they did more than take out 1 city in the pre-event and if I didn't know most of them are dead a month after release.

An invasion of stormwind would seem fitting, since these are the same orcs who did it the first time. The attack could also be used to dispose of some of the most notorious lore abominations. Anduin will be torn to shreds by Imps while trying to teach Guldan a valuable lesson about love and friendship, Graymane dies, because him dying will be the only face time he will ever get, and Thrall dies by the hands of his man-crush Grom for irony's sake. The Horde (Iron edition) goes back to their world do to internal political schemes. This will also give blizz a reason to update Stormwind.
Compare this to Burning Crusade.

We "easily" stopped the flood of demons who swarmed us in the pre-expansion world event. But then we got to the other side and realized it was just a shock force that came to get a feel for us while the big boys came to us. It took "several years" of elite heroes from both the Horde and Alliance constantly fending the Legion off while countless troops came in from both Stormwind and Orgrimmar just to stop their forces from invading us. And then we were screwed anyways because the Blood Elves stole in and started opening portals on Quel'danas.
10/16/2014 03:15 PMPosted by Phelios
But now we can set right a grievous wrong by going over there to save the AU Draenei's who having a hard time with the Iron Horde.

The Draenei in AU Draenor are barely any better off than they were in the MU Draenor. Shattrath and the vast majority of their settlements and people have already been wiped out.
10/16/2014 04:44 PMPosted by Mystaerica
The Draenei in AU Draenor are barely any better off than they were in the MU Draenor. Shattrath and the vast majority of their settlements and people have already been wiped out.


Shattrath isn't. By the time you get to Talador questing the Iron Horde is just launching their initial assault on the city and are only able to take the docks before being pushed back.

I'm not sure if the actual invasion of Talador had even begun at the point where we enter Draenor. The orcs were putting around and taking prisoners here and there, but the draenei didn't seem to have any sense of urgency about them in SMV.

Yrel and Maraad going off to Gorgrond to play with plants and crap ather than going to Talador to defend makes it seem like Talador wasn't assaulted at that point.

The draenei take their most significant loses(Telmor, Shattrath, dead and traitor Exarchs) at the hands of the Legion's forces.
Easily annihilate their invasion
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Ride or walk - on the ground - to the Dark Portal.

Survive.

Tell me we 'easily' did that.

Protip, there's 90 elites between you and the portal. And they hit hard.


All we did is pecked at their vanguard a bit and took a stab at the lower portion of their Stronghold in UBRS.
Too be fair Azeroth is probably more war hardened then they could ever hope to be after years of constant world-ending threats.

Also its been stated that their numbers alone outmatch us due to said threats depleting our resources and population so that's why the "suicide" mission takes place in the exp; to cut off their invasion and give the Azeroth more time to recuperate.
The IH are the main villians of WoD.

Would seem odd if we didn't defeat majority of them at launch.

In MoP, the sha were the main villians, and we killed 6 of the 7 primes at launch, and look what Y'shaarj and the Sha of Pride did via Garrosh.
10/16/2014 05:21 PMPosted by Bogrin
Too be fair Azeroth is probably more war hardened then they could ever hope to be after years of constant world-ending threats.

Does a wall get stronger if you repeatedly bash it with a sledgehammer?
10/16/2014 05:28 PMPosted by Mystaerica
10/16/2014 05:21 PMPosted by Bogrin
Too be fair Azeroth is probably more war hardened then they could ever hope to be after years of constant world-ending threats.

Does a wall get stronger if you repeatedly bash it with a sledgehammer?


Bad analogy. A wall doesn't learn every time you hit it.
10/16/2014 05:30 PMPosted by Danarigg
Bad analogy. A wall doesn't learn every time you hit it.

Neither does the sledgehammer, so I think it's still pretty fair.
10/16/2014 05:28 PMPosted by Mystaerica
10/16/2014 05:21 PMPosted by Bogrin
Too be fair Azeroth is probably more war hardened then they could ever hope to be after years of constant world-ending threats.

Does a wall get stronger if you repeatedly bash it with a sledgehammer?


No but our experience when dealing with threats is top-notch. The war against Garrosh has only recently ended so both factions are probably still militarized.

Azeroth would be in trouble for sure if the invasion kept coming; that's why we go to the other side and shut down the portal.
I think blizz needs to take a page from Arenanet's book and actually have the enemy take out a full blown city.
The invasion of lions arch was both awesome and made Scarlet seem like a threat.
Unfortunately Blizz can't do that cause they forgot the other cities exist.
10/16/2014 09:29 PMPosted by Azutaar
I think blizz needs to take a page from Arenanet's book and actually have the enemy take out a full blown city.

Blizzard needs to decide if they want a two faction game or not. If they do, they need to send all of their writers to EA/Bioware so they can take notes from the TOR writers about how to make a parallel story.
The reason the Iron Horde is a threat: numbers, quantity over quality. This is the same reason we feared the Soviets a few years back.

Azeroth has been through the worst wars in its history and left us dangerously depleted regarding population. However, each of that is left is best described a walking doomsday device. By comparison each individual IH Orc (or AU Draenei) is simply outclassed in every way because they have not been fighting for their lives for the past decade against various and sundry world-ending threats.

The problem is not that each IH Orc is a skilled warrior capable of defeating Azeroth's legendary surviving heroes. The problem is there are a LOT of them. I am reminded of a Games Workshop comic comparing a Space Marine to an Imperial Guard. An Imperial Guard can't do diddly but they come is lots of 300.

That's a whole lot of diddly. (Shows Space Marine being roasted alive by shear volume of lasgun fire.)
10/16/2014 09:50 PMPosted by Telonis
The reason the Iron Horde is a threat: numbers, quantity over quality. This is the same reason we feared the Soviets a few years back.


But they don't have the numbers that the old horde had. They're maybe 3/5 of the original horde to start, then they're missing all the orcs that were magically aged by fel magic so probably closer to 1/2 of the old horde.

Of course, it was only half of the old horde that destroyed Stormwind and nearly wiped out all of humanity, but still, it's a much smaller force overall.
10/16/2014 09:50 PMPosted by Telonis
The reason the Iron Horde is a threat: numbers

There's a reason population numbers have always been a joke when talking about the story of WoW. Probably the same reason the Iron Horde is so pathetic and unintimidating.

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