To all the Glads that think nerfs were..

Warrior
unwarranted. In SIMs in BiS gear (the game is nearly the SAME for 630 gear) the damage gap between Gladiator (1st) and Marks (2nd) is nearly 11%.

http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings#630,real,1

Eat !@#$. I don't run around saying Kill Shot is fine, because it seems overtuned. The spec is still more than viable,
You're using Noxxic.
Look, the issue with Glad isn't with our !@#$ing abilities though. This bandaid fix is %^-*ing stupid and doesnt really translate to PvP. The issue is that Bonus Armor and Strenth both give 1 for 1 ap.. Then our mastery further buffs AP by a flat percentage. No other class in the game can stack AP like a prot warrior can. Our scaling is obscene. Stack nothing but Bonus Armor/Mastery/ and Crit and we'll !@#$ing wreck EVERYTHING.
You're using Noxxic.

And are an !@#$%^-.

And also a hunter.
lol noxxic
The fact that you are using noxxic means you have no right to think about whats optimal. I could ask my little sister about dps rankings and her guess would be as good as noxxic... trash....
11/25/2014 12:40 PMPosted by Fred
http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings#630,real,1

Noxxic is notoriously bad at simming data friend. They assume 100% way to much, and only run patchwerk data. Seeing as patchwerk fights have not existed since, well, Patchwerk himself... Noxxic's sims are moot.

You should be looking at nearly any other sim data from any other website. There you will find that Gladiator's were simming only as high as third on the list, and not by much. A 20% hit to our 2 hardest hitting abilities is completely unwarranted.

That said, I guess Execute is worth using now.
Lol Noxxic. If you want to be taken seriously how about linking a source that isn't Noxxic. Here, ill go ahead and do it for you. These were pre nerf:

http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17P.html -ilvl 630
http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17N.html -ilvl 665
http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17M.html -ilvl 695
glad was fine look at feral if you want to see too much dps
11/25/2014 12:50 PMPosted by Mattqt
Lol Noxxic. If you want to be taken seriously how about linking a source that isn't Noxxic. Here, ill go ahead and do it for you. These were pre nerf:

http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17P.html -ilvl 630
http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17N.html -ilvl 665
http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17M.html -ilvl 695


well it's still ridiculous to be that high as prot. , arms and fury were made redundant

people get blinkers on with their class and can't admit when things are op
People need to stop considering Gladiator stance as Prot. It may as well be a 3rd DPS spec.
11/25/2014 12:48 PMPosted by Yasova
Seeing as patchwerk fights have not existed since, well, Patchwerk himself... Noxxic's sims are moot.

You should be looking at nearly any other sim data from any other website.


All sims use Patchwerk for the most part.
11/25/2014 01:01 PMPosted by Doomfury
11/25/2014 12:50 PMPosted by Mattqt
Lol Noxxic. If you want to be taken seriously how about linking a source that isn't Noxxic. Here, ill go ahead and do it for you. These were pre nerf:

http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17P.html -ilvl 630
http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17N.html -ilvl 665
http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17M.html -ilvl 695


well it's still ridiculous to be that high as prot. , arms and fury were made redundant

people get blinkers on with their class and can't admit when things are op


Glad stance was the only dps spec worth using as a warrior and now its nerfed with arms nor fury getting any love.
11/25/2014 01:02 PMPosted by Neims
People need to stop considering Gladiator stance as Prot. It may as well be a 3rd DPS spec.


The issue is that Prot damage got nerfed as well. Glad may have needed a change, but our tanking damage didn't.

SS now feels as exciting as a devestate while tanking.
11/25/2014 01:01 PMPosted by Doomfury
well it's still ridiculous to be that high as prot. , arms and fury were made redundant

Your remark shows that you do not understand the design intent of Gladiator's Resolve.

Gladiator Warriors are meant to be competitive DPS. It is not a talent that lets tanks switch to be somewhat kind of useful DPS when they arent needed. They were designed to put out competitive numbers.
Man its almost like no one wants to play arms or fury cus...idk, they suck?
11/25/2014 01:04 PMPosted by Uralya
All sims use Patchwerk for the most part.

To some degree, yes. But Noxxic uses 100% patchwerk data.

More honest sims take into account movement will be a factor, and sim small pockets of time where you might not deal any DPS at all for instance. Or sim group-stun phases *Putricide*, where some specs can bounce back by having little to no ramp up time to get back into there rotations.

My point being, do not use Noxxic as a basis for fact. Especially because they are even using the incorrect values for stat weighs, which is a huge factor in them showing Gladiator being so high.
11/25/2014 01:12 PMPosted by Yasova
Your remark shows that you do not understand the design intent of Gladiator's Resolve.

Gladiator Warriors are meant to be competitive DPS. It is not a talent that lets tanks switch to be somewhat kind of useful DPS when they arent needed. They were designed to put out competitive numbers.


A surprisingly small number of people seem to understand how Gladiator works. Quite sad really.
11/25/2014 01:12 PMPosted by Yasova
11/25/2014 01:01 PMPosted by Doomfury
well it's still ridiculous to be that high as prot. , arms and fury were made redundant

Your remark shows that you do not understand the design intent of Gladiator's Resolve.

Gladiator Warriors are meant to be competitive DPS. It is not a talent that lets tanks switch to be somewhat kind of useful DPS when they arent needed. They were designed to put out competitive numbers.


it's not a pure dps talent or it wouldn't give prot. stance 5% more damage reduction.

and obviously since it has been reduced then it wasn't what they were intending it to be
11/25/2014 01:21 PMPosted by Malfrenzy
11/25/2014 01:12 PMPosted by Yasova
Your remark shows that you do not understand the design intent of Gladiator's Resolve.

Gladiator Warriors are meant to be competitive DPS. It is not a talent that lets tanks switch to be somewhat kind of useful DPS when they arent needed. They were designed to put out competitive numbers.


A surprisingly small number of people seem to understand how Gladiator works. Quite sad really.


Actually it is clear as crystal just most warriors poster in word play hoping to avoid the nerf hammer. It is a talent that turns protection into a dps machine that out damages every class/spec in wow. That simple. It is not a spec in a spec. It is a talent that gives protection a superior dps stance that is throwing balance out of whack and invalidating both fury and arms for pve and pvp both.

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