Khadgar/Jaina....villains?

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I'm just noting the similarities between the two. Last time we saw Jaina...so seemed.... unstable.

Now Khadgar appears....different than we're used to seeing him. With similar silver hair....ghastly looking face....as the new Jaina.

They also seem hellbent on their mission(s), regardless of the unnecessary deaths it may involve.

I mean Guldan is almost certainly involved somehow.
This has been discussed ad nauseum.

TLDR: No.
i literally had to look up ad nauseum and TLDR.

Can you point me in the direction of previous threads?
Literally nothing is wrong with either of them. Jaina has calmed down considerably since the Purge, and Khadgar's had grey hair for decades.
Just scan the first few pages of the forum.

Also, Khadgar's current model was used for his model in BC. It's a new model, not a new look. As far as Blizzard is concerned, this is how Khadgar has looked the last few years.

His original model was basically Antonidas in different robes.

Khadgar's grey hair is legit: he's in his 40s-50s chronologically, and aged further with magic. Jaina got her white streaks from arcane overexposure.

Jaina was less hellbent on a mission and more rawrangry at everything Horde. Khadgar, by comparison, is far more collected and calculated, even humorous at times.
02/02/2015 12:47 PMPosted by Reignac
Literally nothing is wrong with either of them. Jaina has calmed down considerably since the Purge, and Khadgar's had grey hair for decades.
Well, there was that time after the Purge where she tried to convince Varian to assassinate all the Horde leaders. Then there was the scene in War Crimes where Varian had to threaten to kill/imprison her to stop her from acting crazy and she threatened him in turn.

She's tooooootally stable post Purge.
Jaina is the alliance poster girl,

Blizzard would never do that to her
02/02/2015 01:04 PMPosted by Threeslotbag
02/02/2015 12:47 PMPosted by Reignac
Literally nothing is wrong with either of them. Jaina has calmed down considerably since the Purge, and Khadgar's had grey hair for decades.
Well, there was that time after the Purge where she tried to convince Varian to assassinate all the Horde leaders. Then there was the scene in War Crimes where Varian had to threaten to kill/imprison her to stop her from acting crazy and she threatened him in turn.

She's tooooootally stable post Purge.


So, still purposely misinterpreting the word 'dismantle', eh?
Even though Blizz went on record saying she never meant kill them all?
02/02/2015 01:06 PMPosted by Resileaf
02/02/2015 01:04 PMPosted by Threeslotbag
...Well, there was that time after the Purge where she tried to convince Varian to assassinate all the Horde leaders. Then there was the scene in War Crimes where Varian had to threaten to kill/imprison her to stop her from acting crazy and she threatened him in turn.

She's tooooootally stable post Purge.


So, still purposely misinterpreting the word 'dismantle', eh?
Even though Blizz went on record saying she never meant kill them all?


Don't take the bait.
02/02/2015 03:05 PMPosted by Zolden
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So, still purposely misinterpreting the word 'dismantle', eh?
Even though Blizz went on record saying she never meant kill them all?


Don't take the bait.


Is it taking the bait to shoot down falsehoods so other people who did not know beforehand don't start taking it as truth?
02/02/2015 01:06 PMPosted by Resileaf
02/02/2015 01:04 PMPosted by Threeslotbag
...Well, there was that time after the Purge where she tried to convince Varian to assassinate all the Horde leaders. Then there was the scene in War Crimes where Varian had to threaten to kill/imprison her to stop her from acting crazy and she threatened him in turn.

She's tooooootally stable post Purge.


So, still purposely misinterpreting the word 'dismantle', eh?
Even though Blizz went on record saying she never meant kill them all?
I think most people assumed she urging Varian to attack them based on her tone and the situation. She should have chosen her words better if she didn't want Varian to think that as well.
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So, still purposely misinterpreting the word 'dismantle', eh?
Even though Blizz went on record saying she never meant kill them all?
I think most people assumed she urging Varian to attack them based on her tone and the situation. She should have chosen her words better if she didn't want Varian to think that as well.


She chose the word dismantle.
If she had meant destroy or wipe out or kill, she would have said so.
02/02/2015 03:43 PMPosted by Resileaf
She chose the word dismantle.
If she had meant destroy or wipe out or kill, she would have said so.
What does dismantle mean in this context if not destroy? Gently remove their mantles?
...I think most people assumed she urging Varian to attack them based on her tone and the situation. She should have chosen her words better if she didn't want Varian to think that as well.


She chose the word dismantle.
If she had meant destroy or wipe out or kill, she would have said so.


I would think dismantling would inevitably lead to the death of some members. And the leaders, especially the ones in that room, would not be willing to go down without a fuss.
02/02/2015 03:51 PMPosted by Threeslotbag
02/02/2015 03:43 PMPosted by Resileaf
She chose the word dismantle.
If she had meant destroy or wipe out or kill, she would have said so.
What does dismantle mean in this context if not destroy? Gently remove their mantles?


A forceful change of government, for one. Appoint an Alliance-sympathetic one to the throne. Order the Horde military to stand down, and have the Alliance decide what punishment to inflict on any Garrosh loyalist that remains.
That would be a start.
02/02/2015 04:12 PMPosted by Resileaf
02/02/2015 03:51 PMPosted by Threeslotbag
...What does dismantle mean in this context if not destroy? Gently remove their mantles?


A forceful change of government, for one. Appoint an Alliance-sympathetic one to the throne. Order the Horde military to stand down, and have the Alliance decide what punishment to inflict on any Garrosh loyalist that remains.
That would be a start.


That's...really not what dismantle means. It means dissemble, break down, reduce it to pieces. If you "dismantle the Horde", there won't be a Horde afterwords.
02/02/2015 04:15 PMPosted by Sunfeeder
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A forceful change of government, for one. Appoint an Alliance-sympathetic one to the throne. Order the Horde military to stand down, and have the Alliance decide what punishment to inflict on any Garrosh loyalist that remains.
That would be a start.


That's...really not what dismantle means. It means dissemble, break down, reduce it to pieces. If you "dismantle the Horde", there won't be a Horde afterwords.


As I said, that's a start.
The Horde is a method of government. By putting an Alliance-friendly warchief at its head, you open the way to make the necessary changes to make the Horde work differently and become a part of the Alliance.
Ergo, dismantling the Horde.
02/02/2015 04:48 PMPosted by Resileaf
As I said, that's a start.
The Horde is a method of government. By putting an Alliance-friendly warchief at its head, you open the way to make the necessary changes to make the Horde work differently and become a part of the Alliance.
Ergo, dismantling the Horde.


That's still not dismantling, that's assimilating. Two very different things. And it's not what Jaina was suggesting. She didn't say "We should place our own Warchief", or "We should absorb the Horde". She said dismantle. She made absolutely no indication for a long term assimilation of the Horde. Also, judging by what she says after the fight, she seems opposed to the idea of even having a Warchief.
02/02/2015 04:57 PMPosted by Sunfeeder
02/02/2015 04:48 PMPosted by Resileaf
As I said, that's a start.
The Horde is a method of government. By putting an Alliance-friendly warchief at its head, you open the way to make the necessary changes to make the Horde work differently and become a part of the Alliance.
Ergo, dismantling the Horde.


That's still not dismantling, that's assimilating. Two very different things. And it's not what Jaina was suggesting. She didn't say "We should place our own Warchief", or "We should absorb the Horde". She said dismantle. She made absolutely no indication for a long term assimilation of the Horde.


No, but that would have been up to Varian. In any case, it would have ended the way she would have wanted; the end of the Horde as an organization.
This really shows how Blizzard's writing is disgusting. Now that Jaina, hates the Horde, she must be insane and evil! A character's opinion of the Horde shouldn't reflect how good or evil that character is.

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