Illidan, Secret Stepfather of the Forsaken

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Rewatching the Forsaken Questline at Silverpine forest, I thought it would be nice to remember or let know my fellow Forsaken comrades that didn't play the wonderful WarCraft 3 Campaigns, something about the Forsaken genesis that surprisingly never gets mention in any recap or anywhere, and it surprisingly involves one of the most beloved villians: Illidan Stormrage.

Most know that the Forsaken exist because them and mainly Sylvannas Windrunner became suddenly free of the Lich King's Influence. But why did they became free?

Because Illidan, commanded by Kil'Jaeden, was seeking the destruction of the Lich King. Radical as he was, no better solution could he find other than using Sargeras' Eye to destroy Icecrown's region. This action fractured the Frozen Throne and thus letting its power to slip away. This was the event that broke the chain of will that kept the scourge army prisoner. Some went mad, some kept slaves, and some awoken as the Forsaken.

Of course Sylvannas has the true merit of leading and fighting for the glory of the Forsaken, but truly without the actions of The Betrayer, there would have never been Free Will Undead.
I still say it would have been better if Malfurion and Tyrande had teamed up and killed Illidan right after he offed Tichondrius. It would have saved Azeroth a whole lot of grief.
03/29/2015 04:07 PMPosted by Richforce
I still say it would have been better if Malfurion and Tyrande had teamed up and killed Illidan right after he offed Tichondrius. It would have saved Azeroth a whole lot of grief.


if you look at Illidan's record, he actually never did anything deserving of the punishment he got...
he remade a well of eternity = life sentence (rest of the highborne got banished and became blood elves)
killed a demon took the eye of sargeras and almost killed the lich king = banished for life
removed the legion of outland, starts creating an amry to fight the legion using freed demons and people of outland... then get betrayed by kel who was for the legion = killed by players

in all cases.. he was doing some good things....
don't get me started on gorefiends messed up lore...
I think people don't generally mention Illidan's hand in the creation of the Forsaken because Illidan himself never intended things to go down that way.

He was told to take out the Lich King. Everything along the way was collateral damage, including the creation of the Forsaken.

Forsaken who, later, would be responsible for stifling the Alliance and Horde's attempts against the Scourge in Northrend.

Truly, the creation of the Forsaken is one of the bad things that Illidan caused. If he were alive today, I don't think he would be too happy that he had a hand in their freedom. He would rather they be put to the flame not just because they're twisted, wretched beings....but because in his eyes they are beneath him and tainted.
He's as reckless as we are!

He's also smart enough to infiltrate the Legion twice(once to kick them out of Azeroth and the other time to get a reward for killing the Lich King and when the second attempt failed he started gathering an army to protect against the Legion's retaliation).

Illidan was smart enough to realize that Kael'thas was a traitor who started the war against Shattrath behind his back and realized that Akama was also a traitor who insanely assumed that his people were enslaved and that Illidan was defiling the Black Temple with his prescence.

Illidan was deemed insane by Malfurion not for his actions but for his delusions of having won against Arthas.

His only actions against the players were to attack the ones that infiltrated his base in disguise. He has no intention of being backstabbed at an inopportune moment.

The only warcrimes he commited were feeding the blood of Magtheridon to Mag'har which in all likelyhood would be seen to him as a gift not a curse like the Orcs believe and draining the Zangermarsh to fuel his armies(he never had the patience to understand the value of nature I do believe).
03/29/2015 05:08 PMPosted by Draile
If he were alive today, I don't think he would be too happy that he had a hand in their freedom. He would rather they be put to the flame not just because they're twisted, wretched beings....but because in his eyes they are beneath him and tainted.


Because Illidan is so pure and rightous? He's far more "twisted" and "tainted" then the Forsaken are. Hell, he'd probably agree with methods, since they share the whole "no moral boundaries" thing. And it's not like he's adverse to taking on followers who are twisted themselves. Fel Orcs, Broken, Blood Elves, Naga, literal demons. He has no trouble with people beneath, because in his eyes *everybody* is beneath him.
03/29/2015 05:15 PMPosted by Sunfeeder
Because Illidan is so pure and rightous? He's far more "twisted" and "tainted" then the Forsaken are. Hell, he'd probably agree with methods, since they share the whole "no moral boundaries" thing. And it's not like he's adverse to taking on followers who are twisted themselves. Fel Orcs, Broken, Blood Elves, Naga, literal demons. He has no trouble with people beneath, because in his eyes *everybody* is beneath him.


Yes he does. He enslaved the Broken, despite them starting out as true allies. The Fel Orcs were stealing Mag'har and forcibly converting them.

Illidan didn't view himself as twisted or tainted. In his mind he was the very embodiment of power.

It's also a point of thematic difference: Both Stormrage brothers took on physical characteristics based on the path they chose.

So in that sense, Illidan DID see himself as "pure". He was a pure embodiment of demonic power, and a master of his craft. His ego defined him.
03/29/2015 04:39 PMPosted by Raveintis
in all cases.. he was doing some good things....
Nope

The whole thing was the well, and the magic it brought, gained the eye of the legion, and the night elves saw the well as the source of the near end of the world. illidan remade the well, so basicly opened the world up to the same threat.
Look at it this way. Say the world entered and barely, barely survived nuclear war. then one guy goes ahead and makes another nuke and says it is going to be used to stop another war when it is about to start, it wouldn't be a good thing at all.

Also, in w3 Illidan was destroying Northrend, Malfurion was feeling the pain of the land. "I feel their spell ripping through the roof of the world! We must end this!
Arrghhh...The eye is...fracturing the earth! The pain is excruciating!"

Plus it was a Burning Legion order, it wasn't Illidan idea.

just read this summary
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/characters/illidan-stormrage
Illidan wasn't a good guy at all.
I've always felt that Illidan was far more complex than people gave him credit. It seems that everyone had a rather black and white view of him, and I don't think it was that simple. Illidan attempted to do a lot of good things. Sometimes those things later turned out to be good without his knowledge, but he heavily influenced the fate of Azeroth, in a generally positive way.

Now that's not to say he didn't have other motivations, but in most cases I don't think they were mutually exclusive. The War of the Ancients is an excellent example. He infiltrated the legion in order to stop them. He managed to deceive Sargeras himself, in addition to every powerful being under him, including Azshara. Was he motivated by his own lust for power? Absolutely. But that detract from the good he did. The Well of Eternity deal was just Malfurion being an idiot, and that's true completely aside from Illidan. The magic ban was the single most short-sighted, fearful, ignorant decision ever made. How exactly were they supposed to turn back a second legion invasion? The druids were potentially powerful, but not to that extent. They couldn't even turn back the first one, they had to blow up the planet to interrupt it. Illidan saw the necessity of magic. Was he also motivated by his addiction to it? Of course. But that doesn't change the fact that he did the right thing, for the right reasons. Even if he had additional reasons.

And then Malfurion labels him as 'lost to corruption' or whatever it was. Which was beyond arrogant, not to mention incorrect. And don't think there wasn't jealousy going on there. Illidan was in love with Tyrande, he had been from the start and had developed feelings for her first. She chose Malfurion but he would have been resentful. As out of character as that may be for the revered arch-druid who can do no wrong, he did render judgement on his brother's mental state and lock him up under a mountain for ten-thousand years. And that theme carried through to when Illidan escaped, too. He was about to destroy the Lich King, which at that point was pretty much saving the world, and Malfurion interrupted him because he didn't understand what Illidan was doing and certainly didn't approve. Think about that for a moment, Malfurion saved the Lich King. And set in motion the events that led him to merge with Arthas.

After that you have the whole Outland thing, where the worst thing he did was gather an army to fight the legion and feed demon blood to some orcs, which from his perspective was a gift of power. And then we kill him to appease Akama, who didn't feel entirely sane, and Maiev, who simply hated him.

I'm not saying Illidan was virtuous, far from it. But he wasn't evil either. He sacrificed everything to gain the Burning Legion's own power to use against them, risked and lost everything again to preserve arcane magic on Azeroth, tried twice to destroy the Lich King, and finally gathered an army to fight the Burning Legion. And for no better reason than some people didn't like his methods or his attitude, we kill him.
The whole thing was the well, and the magic it brought, gained the eye of the legion, and the night elves saw the well as the source of the near end of the world. illidan remade the well, so basicly opened the world up to the same threat.
Look at it this way. Say the world entered and barely, barely survived nuclear war. then one guy goes ahead and makes another nuke and says it is going to be used to stop another war when it is about to start, it wouldn't be a good thing at all.


This is both a false analogy and completely ignorant of the reasons Illidan acted and was sentenced.

The Well wasn't the only reason the Legion had to come to Azeroth. At the end of the day, the Legion is still a force dedicated to destroying all life in the universe, which means they're going to come back to Azeroth one way or another. This was the argument Illidan made - the demons were coming back again, and the Well's magic was ultimately still a part of what allowed them to be banished the first time, so the world needed to retain the tools it had.

The reason he was sentenced for life wasn't merely because he used a couple of the Vials. The reason he was sentenced was that he lashed out and killed Night Elves who stumbled on him in the act.
If it weren't for Illidan creating a new well of eternity, Archimonde would have never died and the night elves wouldnt have immortality for 10,000 years. He also did what was necessary to kill Tichondrius and save the forest, but in return, he got banished. He then killed Magtheridon and freed Outland from the BL. Then Blizz decided to make "the betrayed" a loot piñata.

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